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Speyside Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 9:09 AM EST
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At least his lawyer isn't Russian.
Mr. Jones Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 9:59 AM EST
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TWEEDLE DEE just can't keep his trap shut....

For whatever reason "the REALLY TANNED BROWN AND SMARTER THAN TWEEDLE DUM SPAWN
BOY" likes to chime in now and again with His worthless drivel nobody even gives a SHIIT about.

This one is really dumb... Because he actually
INCRIMINATES HIMSELF...WHICH considering even his low brain power is pretty hard to do.

And AMERICA IS SPENDING MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS FOR THE SECRET SERVICE TO PROTECT THESE TWO GROWN IDIOT MANCHILD' SPAWNS??
Why on earth are we doing that??
Take that money and protect elected congressmen.
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 10:35 AM EST
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Natalia Veselnitskaya is kinda hot... Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 10:52 AM EST
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Bait smells old.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 11:08 AM EST
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Take that money and put targets on elected congressmen.



Fixed it for you!

Herfing
gummy jones Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 11:13 AM EST
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i havent dug into this much
but two private citizens meet to dig up some dirt on an opponent?
i heard that chick denied any ties to the kremlin last night.
am i to believe that the dems didnt talk to anyone and everyone to dig up dirt on trump?
didnt the clinton campaign hire an ex british spy to dig up dirt on trump and end up with that dossier?

this doesnt feel as dirty as bill clinton getting 500k from moscow while hilary was sec of state.
depends on who you ask i guess.

i also hear that the entire email chain as been released by jr and he agrees to testify if desired.

dont get me wrong, all these people are 10x sleezier in their daily lives than most of us but
i guess im trying to figure out what i should be extra outraged about today.

what is lost in all this frenzy is actually what im most interested in which is the supposed further incriminating evidence that was had on hilary or maybe even what bill and loretta discussed on the tarmac...
DrafterX Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 11:19 AM EST
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If someone told me they had some info on CROS' whereabouts of course I'd ask where... If it turns out CROS is a Russian spy doesn't mean I was colluding with him... Mellow
Abrignac Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 11:27 AM EST
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More BS. Nothing to see. Move along.
victor809 Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 11:43 AM EST
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I guess the problem is enlisting the aide of foreigners during a presidential campaign.... is it necessarily the Russian govt? Who knows. They do have enough influence over their populace that involvement with a Russian private citizen to solicit information about their opponent carries a high risk of Russian govt involvement. Does it mean it happened? Unclear yet.

But these clowns would have gone all in if it were available that's clear. Right now this is the equivalent to going to a drug deal with the intent to buy drugs...finding out the dealer ran out and walking away. You didn't commit a crime. But you sure as he'll wanted to.
delta1 Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 11:53 AM EST
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mens rea
dstieger Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 12:33 PM EST
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The good: Trumps are Washington outsiders and not been political for too long.
The bad: Trumps are Washington outsiders and not been political for too long.

As a 'private' boss, any of them can shun the media when they want, spin stuff, keep it to themselves, let the news cycle rotate on to something else. As the elected first family, they have tried to be the same way....little need for whole truths....nor complete honesty, outrage at those who question them....etc.

It keeps coming back to bite them. It may well be true that nobody in the family, nor the campaign camp did anything at all illegal, or even wholly immoral. But, as long as they withhold facts, hoping **** will go away, they keep stepping on their dicks. If they'd have just laid out the chronology and the contacts...and the facts (even their versions of facts) when things blow up, this crap would fade out quickly. As it is, its a fn sideshow that either obscures any good news...or prevents any real goodness from taking place while they try to spin and react
MACS Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 12:39 PM EST
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The election didn't go the way the media thought it would... so they are bound and determined to derail the results of our democratic process.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 1:00 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:

But these clowns would have gone all in if it were available that's clear. Right now this is the equivalent to going to a drug deal with the intent to buy drugs...finding out the dealer ran out and walking away.

$%#&*@! drug dealers are so unreliable....
victor809 Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 1:02 PM EST
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Poor Donald jr... just wanted some coke from the nice Russian hooker-lawyer.
tailgater Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 1:03 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
$%#&*@! drug dealers are so unreliable....


Am not!
victor809 Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 1:03 PM EST
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I love how it's the media's fault that this crap is happening...

Hell... rocket scientist jr posted his own emails to twitter. That is not a media problem.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 1:22 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I love how it's the media's fault that this crap is happening...

Hell... rocket scientist jr posted his own emails to twitter. That is not a media problem.

we absolutely disagree there... he almost 100% certainly posted them after attorney's looked them over and determined that absolutely no laws were broken in any way... the way it's being spun is completely on the media...
victor809 Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 1:30 PM EST
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Any spinning... sure. But there doesn't need to be a lot of spinning. The dude literally said he set up a meeting with a Russian foreign national to discuss information about Hillary Clinton. That's not media spin. That's his own Twitter feed.
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 1:46 PM EST
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He was just kiddin... Mellow
jjanecka Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 1:47 PM EST
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Well I would want to find dirt internationally on hillary to help my father lambast his opponent in the political debates. It's what good sons do.
Burner02 Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 1:49 PM EST
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If President Trump has a hair on his azz, he will reopen the Hilldog server investigation and see where the Russian collusion really leads.
DrafterX Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 1:50 PM EST
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Yep... Would be hard to say No Thanks... But if his head has to roll to finally put an end to this mess so be it... There's more important stuff going on... They can try to remove Trump in 3 1/2 years the normal way... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 1:53 PM EST
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Yep. And investigations need to check to make sure that this information wasn't funneled through a private foreign national from the Russian govt. It's what good investigations do.

I've never said he's doing anything illegal. Bit everything they continually admit to is unsavory at best. And surely suggests there is something worse or at least so incompetent it borders on negligence.

(Lets not forget that none of these meetings or trips ever showed up on self reported security forms... so it looks like they thought they could hide them)
Burner02 Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 1:56 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
(Lets not forget that none of these meetings or trips ever showed up on self reported security forms... so it looks like they thought they could hide them)



And your gal, Hillary pure as the driven snow.

LMFAO
victor809 Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 1:58 PM EST
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... not president. Making up some fiction of how you think she would have acted is simply not reality.
dstieger Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 1:59 PM EST
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jjanecka wrote:
Well I would want to find dirt internationally on hillary to help my father lambast his opponent in the political debates. It's what good sons do.


Yep. And since we all know full well that Russians only come up with info through hard work and studying open-source, commonly available data...why would Junior think that anything could go wrong?
Burner02 Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 2:07 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
... not president.


Based on her pre-election actions. Fact not fiction. Middle America not as dumb as the east and west coast.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 2:18 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
... not president. Making up some fiction of how you think she would have acted is simply not reality.

let's say donald trump personally and directly paid vladmir putin for damaging information about hillary... is that any different than what hillary did in regards to "paying" debbie wasserman shcultz to ensure she got the democratic nomination? they both just seem like crappy backroom political stuff that we all know both sides engage in... is it somehow worse because donald won and she lost?
victor809 Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 2:18 PM EST
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Hahahah....
teedubbya Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 2:29 PM EST
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The **** dem from FL is the equivalent of Putin? Wow just wow. Y'all would have your hair in fire if a dem was working with Putin for personal gain. Most of you accused eff face hill of it with the uranium sale.

Jr was just being transparent. The fact he hid this this long and released the emails only after the NYT said they were going to and he asked for time is coincidence. No one listing any of these meetings on required forms is just an oversight too.

Forget your politics. Come on man.
victor809 Offline
#31 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 2:35 PM EST
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I expect internal political backstabbing opel. I don't care if one dem or rep screws another internally in the party. Once you take it out of the country and let a foreign country have the opportunity to screw around... that's a little different.

At best it's horrendously naive ...
DrafterX Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 2:41 PM EST
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That's a pretty big word.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 2:44 PM EST
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In fairness it also looks like one or both sides used British intel. No one is clean,certainly not scum Hillary. But the gyrations to defend trump are amusing. As is the yea but Hillary defense lol.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#34 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 2:44 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I expect internal political backstabbing opel. I don't care if one dem or rep screws another internally in the party. Once you take it out of the country and let a foreign country have the opportunity to screw around... that's a little different.

At best it's horrendously naive ...

what makes it different? not being a d*ck, I seriously don't understand why collusion is ok when it's in-party, but not ok when it's international...
teedubbya Offline
#35 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 2:45 PM EST
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By the way I doubt Trump knew anything about this meeting. He seems like the hands off type and those around him just do what they choose LOL.

opelmanta1900 Offline
#36 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 2:46 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
In fairness it also looks like one or both sides used British intel. No one is clean,certainly not scum Hillary. But the gyrations to defend trump are amusing. As is the yea but Hillary defense lol.

the excuse I heard with hillary and the dnc collusion was, hey, like it or not, it's not illegal... I have no idea why this trump/russia thing is viewed any differently...
teedubbya Offline
#37 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 2:48 PM EST
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My answer on that Opel is it's not ok in either instance. But colluding with (not saying it happened) an enemy state and their intel agents makes it ten times worse in my eyes. One is bad dirty politics. One relies on a country and leader that is our enemy and hates us. They don't want what's best for us. There is no moral equivalency there and that does not mean one is ok.

Reagan is rolling over in his grave. The fact many think it's ok for a pres candidate to work with Russian intel in an attempt to win is disturbing, let alone not being concerned about a sittingpresident and these ties. And again I've not drawn conclusions and am not saying it happened. But the concern is legitimate and the desire to ignore it or worse legitimize it is concerning. We in many ways are still in a Cold War with them.
teedubbya Offline
#38 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 2:50 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
the excuse I heard with hillary and the dnc collusion was, hey, like it or not, it's not illegal... I have no idea why this trump/russia thing is viewed any differently...



Not from me and wgaf what someone you disagree with and think is wrong says. If you disagreed in that instance certainly you disagree now. You didn't change your opinion based on what those scum balls said did you? Are you wanting to become more like them to the point that you don't even care if it was Putin?

And while I don't think what they did was right it was internal within their party. While wrong it's not hard for me to decide it's different than with Putin


This may ultimately lead to criminal charges somewhere. I've never thought that before. But the last shoe hasn't fallen and this just wiped away many many denials. The continual lies from this admin are deafening to anyone who cares to listen.

This isn't going to end well and it's not the press' fault as **** as they are. Yes they suck. No that's not cover or excuse for Trump.
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#39 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 3:36 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
My answer on that Opel is it's not ok in either instance. But colluding with (not saying it happened) an enemy state and their intel agents makes it ten times worse in my eyes. One is bad dirty politics. One relies on a country and leader that is our enemy and hates us. They don't want what's best for us. There is no moral equivalency there and that does not mean one is ok.

Reagan is rolling over in his grave. The fact many think it's ok for a pres candidate to work with Russian intel in an attempt to win is disturbing, let alone not being concerned about a sittingpresident and these ties. And again I've not drawn conclusions and am not saying it happened. But the concern is legitimate and the desire to ignore it or worse legitimize it is concerning. We in many ways are still in a Cold War with them.

enemy state??? you're stuck in the past... not what, 40 to 50 years before reagan, germany was up to some sh*t that makes russia look like a rag-tag group of girl scouts selling counterfeit thin mints, and yet many on the left are on hands and knees kissing merkels crack... what the actual f*ck? and you think hillary clinton "wants what's best for us"? no way man... she wants what's best for her and hers and that's that... she'd gladly sell this country to moscow if they promised to make her queen...
teedubbya Offline
#40 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 3:43 PM EST
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come on man. I hate Hillary too but we are talking about putin here.
teedubbya Offline
#41 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 3:45 PM EST
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KGB
DrafterX Offline
#42 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 3:46 PM EST
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Remember when that dude threw a shoe at Bush.. Laugh
teedubbya Offline
#43 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 3:48 PM EST
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Read about Putins past and rise to power. He's not our friend.
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#44 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 4:13 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Read about Putins past and rise to power. He's not our friend.


If you think Trump is trying to make him one you've underestimated him.

He already knows who he's dealing with...I'm positive Mattis is telling him every hour too!
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#45 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 4:13 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
come on man. I hate Hillary too but we are talking about putin here.


Who's killed more people? Clintons vs Putin???
teedubbya Offline
#46 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 4:16 PM EST
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I hope you are right. I also hope Putin has no leverage over trump. Right now trump talks tough to everyone but Putin. Doesn't smell right. But at least pootie tang promised to help Trump get to the bottom of the hacking lol.

I also heard trump it's going to pardon oj so he can get back to looking for the murderers.
teedubbya Offline
#47 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 4:16 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Who's killed more people? Clintons vs Putin???



Oh come on. That is silly. Statements like that make anything you say hard to take seriously. I hate Hillary but that is rediculas. Unless of course you are kidding. It is funny. But if you are serious you need help.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#48 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 4:23 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Oh come on. That is silly. Statements like that make anything you say hard to take seriously. I hate Hillary but that is rediculas. Unless of course you are kidding. It is funny. But if you are serious you need help.


Look...everyone knows she was the brains behind Bubba.

Don't be skeerd. Answer the question.

Who do you think has the higher death toll?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#49 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 4:24 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I hope you are right. I also hope Putin has no leverage over trump. Right now trump talks tough to everyone but Putin. Doesn't smell right. But at least pootie tang promised to help Trump get to the bottom of the hacking lol.

I also heard trump it's going to pardon oj so he can get back to looking for the murderers.



Oh come on. That is silly. Statements like that make anything you say hard to take seriously....see what I did? Did ya?
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#50 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 4:24 PM EST
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That's just dumb.
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