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tailgater Offline
#1 Posted:
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Last weeks paper talked about some punk(s) painting a swastika onto the hood of a car in town. This part of town is well to do and happens to have a higher jewish percentage than other parts of town. (for instance, Robert Kraft owns a home nearby).
It's terrible to read about.

Now a week later, the headline is about the town committees meeting to discuss the "swastika incident" and how we should re-institute the towns affirmative action committee.

There have been no other reported crimes of this sort in the news locally.

Once again we have two sides:
1. the people who want to over-react and loudly exclaim how they're the most offended and anyone who isn't just as vocal about it is obviously a racist.
and
2. people who see a crime and want it punished far more severely than it has been in the past, thereby preventing other punks from duplicating it.


THere is no third side. No one thinks it's OK to do it. And no one outside the punk and his uncircumcised sugar daddy thinks it's even remotely funny.

I think next week the paper may request a candle light vigil.

No word if the car hood has been cleaned or repainted.

Ironically, it was a volkswagon...


Speyside Offline
#2 Posted:
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Common sense would be nice, option 2, but that is not in vogue.
DrafterX Offline
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So, Volkswagen drivers are racists..?? Huh
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DrafterX wrote:
So, Volkswagen drivers are racists..?? Huh



No No, Just the ones with dice hanging off the mirror jester jester
frankj1 Offline
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reading comprension issues guys?
The volkswagon belongs to Robert Kraft.
tailgater Offline
#6 Posted:
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Maybe Jonathan.

frankj1 Offline
#7 Posted:
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which one is the dumb son?
tailgater Offline
#8 Posted:
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Dubya.

Brewha Offline
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I miss dubya.....
delta1 Offline
#10 Posted:
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and so did that jackass shoe thrower...

ummm...don't get fooled again...
Brewha Offline
#11 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
and so did that jackass shoe thrower...

ummm...don't get fooled again...

Too late, we already did......
MACS Offline
#12 Posted:
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Your side lost because of shit like this... and they're doubling down on it.
Brewha Offline
#13 Posted:
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Joining goose steppers for Trump, MACS?
DrafterX Offline
#14 Posted:
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I think he's just supporting his President... God forbid.. Mellow
Mr. Jones Offline
#15 Posted:
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Who is Robert Kraft?

The MACARONI KING?
delta1 Offline
#16 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Last weeks paper talked about some punk(s) painting a swastika onto the hood of a car in town. This part of town is well to do and happens to have a higher jewish percentage than other parts of town. (for instance, Robert Kraft owns a home nearby).
It's terrible to read about.

Now a week later, the headline is about the town committees meeting to discuss the "swastika incident" and how we should re-institute the towns affirmative action committee.

There have been no other reported crimes of this sort in the news locally.

Once again we have two sides:
1. the people who want to over-react and loudly exclaim how they're the most offended and anyone who isn't just as vocal about it is obviously a racist.
and
2. people who see a crime and want it punished far more severely than it has been in the past, thereby preventing other punks from duplicating it.


THere is no third side. No one thinks it's OK to do it. And no one outside the punk and his uncircumcised sugar daddy thinks it's even remotely funny.

I think next week the paper may request a candle light vigil.

No word if the car hood has been cleaned or repainted.

Ironically, it was a volkswagon...




...ummm...aren't you expressing a third side, tail? Nazis committing crimes are no worse than anyone else committing a crime. That's been the crux of the "why do we need to have hate crimes" debate. State laws permit penalty enhancements for crimes committed against a protected group. Federal laws determine that if the intent to commit a crime is to target someone in a protected group and any acts in furtherance of that intent is a hate crime itself, in addition to the crime.

My argument is that I don't care, one way or another, unless the victim is Asian and the perp is a Nazi...
tailgater Offline
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delta1 wrote:
...ummm...aren't you expressing a third side, tail? Nazis committing crimes are no worse than anyone else committing a crime. That's been the crux of the "why do we need to have hate crimes" debate. State laws permit penalty enhancements for crimes committed against a protected group. Federal laws determine that if the intent to commit a crime is to target someone in a protected group and any acts in furtherance of that intent is a hate crime itself, in addition to the crime.

My argument is that I don't care, one way or another, unless the victim is Asian and the perp is a Nazi...


Interesting viewpoint.
But painting a swastika is different than painting a big red X on the hood. Even if the victim isn't Jewish or otherwise impacted by the significance, it is an implied threat.
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DrafterX wrote:
I think he's just supporting his President... God forbid.. Mellow

Maybe this time God should.....
MACS Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Joining goose steppers for Trump, MACS?


Never heard of 'em. I voted for the tweeter in chief simply because I thought he was the lesser of two evils. I haven't changed my mind... and I am hopeful that the distaste people seem to have for him make them take notice of the horrendous job the house and senate politicians are doing and vote all of them out.

I am unapologetically conservative, and don't believe there is ONE politician in office working for US. We need to take back our country, and maybe captain social media can steer us in that direction.

If, again, you were attempting to label me a nazi simply because our ideologies are different... I'm sorry to disappoint. My family is white, black, asian, and hispanic... and I love 'em all. Got a couple gays and lesbos, and I love them, too.

And I still firmly believe in personal responsibility, family values, and absolutely zero government 'programs' outside of national defense and infrastructure. I would be in favor of extending public schooling to all colleges, too, if they'd pass a school voucher program. I'd like for parents to be able to choose which school their child attends based on merit, not location.
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I dislike the concept of a hate crime. It seems like double jeopardy to me. If a crime is committed, peruse legal action against that crime. Please, do not tell me if someone from a protected group is murdered their life is worth more than the life of someone murdered from a non protected group. To me this is what hate crime laws tell me. This is inherently wrong.
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Speyside wrote:
I dislike the concept of a hate crime. It seems like double jeopardy to me. If a crime is committed, peruse legal action against that crime. Please, do not tell me if someone from a protected group is murdered their life is worth more than the life of someone murdered from a non protected group. To me this is what hate crime laws tell me. This is inherently wrong.


Agreed.
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MACS wrote:
Agreed.

not a position comment, just a question...but there are special penalties for cop killers, no?
MACS Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
not a position comment, just a question...but there are special penalties for cop killers, no?


Not sure, but if there are I disagree with them, too. A crime is a crime.

Premeditated murder should be met with death. One appeal, within a month. If it fails, you die the next day.

The death penalty would be a major deterrent if we used it.
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MACS wrote:
Never heard of 'em. I voted for the tweeter in chief simply because I thought he was the lesser of two evils. I haven't changed my mind... and I am hopeful that the distaste people seem to have for him make them take notice of the horrendous job the house and senate politicians are doing and vote all of them out.

I am unapologetically conservative, and don't believe there is ONE politician in office working for US. We need to take back our country, and maybe captain social media can steer us in that direction.

If, again, you were attempting to label me a nazi simply because our ideologies are different... I'm sorry to disappoint. My family is white, black, asian, and hispanic... and I love 'em all. Got a couple gays and lesbos, and I love them, too.

And I still firmly believe in personal responsibility, family values, and absolutely zero government 'programs' outside of national defense and infrastructure. I would be in favor of extending public schooling to all colleges, too, if they'd pass a school voucher program. I'd like for parents to be able to choose which school their child attends based on merit, not location.

Just picking on you MAC - you know, sometimes your post read with a German accent.

fwiw I think you should consider your vote a mistake. I mean we all choose one devil or another.
I think you have chosen poorly.


Just sayin'
tailgater Offline
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Hate crimes: I agree that a crime is a crime.

Death penalty: proven it isn't a deterrent. Which seems strange.
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It's called Capital Punishment I believe.. Mellow
MACS Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Hate crimes: I agree that a crime is a crime.

Death penalty: proven it isn't a deterrent. Which seems strange.


We don't use it.

After 20 years, and 27 appeals, we do (5 appeals in Texas). If you're convicted, you should get ONE appeal... capital punishment cases should be heard by the supreme court within a month. If they say you're guilty... you die the next day.

IT WOULD BE A DETERRENT.

Rule #1 in Criminal Justice Administration: for a punishment to be a deterrent it must be swift, certain, and severe. Our penalties are none of these.
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I dunno. There are a lot of legitimate studies saying it isn't a deterrent.

And there are quite a few cases that have proven via DNA to be bogus convictions many years after your scenario would have the state murder an innocent person.

I'm firmly in the I'd rather see many guilty live than one innocent get murdered by the state.

I keep hearing about the Central Park 5 and trump but haven't had the time to really look at it and don't trust throw away press stories. Anyone really look at that?
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Simply because we don't use it effectually.
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teedubbya wrote:

I keep hearing about the Central Park 5 and trump but haven't had the time to really look at it and don't trust throw away press stories. Anyone really look at that?



I think that was a rendition of Shakespeare in da Park... Mellow
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MACS wrote:
Simply because we don't use it effectually.



I wasn't just thinking in the US
teedubbya Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I think that was a rendition of Shakespeare in da Park... Mellow



I figured it was a failed boy band.

Seriously is there a good source to learn about it other than the knee jerk press or wiki etc.?
DrafterX Offline
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I'd try the Internets..... Mellow
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Central Park Five/Jogger case in a nutshell:

In 1989, a white female jogger was raped and sodomized while jogging in Central Park, NY. She was in a coma for 12 days afterwards. Five juvenile males, 4 black and one hispanic, were arrested and convicted, mostly due to coerced confessions. In 2002, a convicted rapist confessed to the crime. DNA evidence proved he was the rapist of the jogger and proved the five convicted juveniles were innocent. They spent between 5 to 13 years in prison for crimes they did not commit.

During the trial in 1989, Trump took out full page ads in support of the death penalty, pointing to the Jogger case and the five perps. When he was told many years later that they were in fact innocent, he insisted they were guilty. He said so while campaigning for President.


edit: source - http://time.com/4523257/donald-trump-central-park-five/
teedubbya Offline
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So does he still want them executed? So they won't not do it again and stuff?
teedubbya Offline
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anyone seen the documentary by Ken Burns?
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Watched a recent interview with a couple of the Dudes.. the said as long as the Jefferson and Washington memorials are the black man won't succeed... The memorials are oppressing them... Mellow
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teedubbya wrote:
So does he still want them executed? So they won't not do it again and stuff?

they'd be dead in Texas.
Speyside Offline
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Frank, I think you are right that cop murderers have different rules. That should not be the case either.
DrafterX Offline
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Pretty sure you get in deep chit for hurting or killing a police k-9 too... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
Pretty sure you get in deep chit for hurting or killing a police k-9 too... Mellow

as you should
teedubbya Offline
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Cops teeth matter?
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#allteethmatter... ass...
teedubbya Offline
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I'm sorry
frankj1 Offline
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smile when you say that...
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Speyside wrote:
Common sense would be nice, option 2, but that is not in vogue.


Common sense isn't common. #2 as well. fog
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frankj1 wrote:
not a position comment, just a question...but there are special penalties for cop killers, no?


My twisted brain makes a pretty easy distinction. I've always been opposed to the idea of 'hate crimes' being different than 'regular crime'...though, I'll admit TG's suggestion that the swastika constitutes a threat may cause me to think on it a bit. (Perhaps, if that can be agreed on legally, than they can simply use existing vandalism AND threat statues...IDK)

But the concept of having different penalties for crimes against uniformed (or 'known') LE's is perfectly fine with me. I can easily interpret shooting a cop as different than attempting to murder a civilian. Not just the need for protection of cops, but also the idea that you don't have to get into motivation or guess at what's in someone's head. If an Asian kills three Native Americans, you gotta start guessing at to why....even with circumstantial evidence from social media, etc. If a guy shoots a cop who walked up to his car during a traffic stop...well, I don't think anyone needs to care as to 'why'
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dstieger wrote:
My twisted brain makes a pretty easy distinction. I've always been opposed to the idea of 'hate crimes' being different than 'regular crime'...though, I'll admit TG's suggestion that the swastika constitutes a threat may cause me to think on it a bit. (Perhaps, if that can be agreed on legally, than they can simply use existing vandalism AND threat statues...IDK)

But the concept of having different penalties for crimes against uniformed (or 'known') LE's is perfectly fine with me. I can easily interpret shooting a cop as different than attempting to murder a civilian. Not just the need for protection of cops, but also the idea that you don't have to get into motivation or guess at what's in someone's head. If an Asian kills three Native Americans, you gotta start guessing at to why....even with circumstantial evidence from social media, etc. If a guy shoots a cop who walked up to his car during a traffic stop...well, I don't think anyone needs to care as to 'why'

I agree,I think that killing a cop in uniform is saying"I don't care at all about your laws and the people who enforce them".Once you kill a cop in cold blood,what crime will you not commit....what laws will you not break at that point.
Killing a cop is showing the world that you have no respect for the laws that keep everyone safe.
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