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Manafort Charged in Mueller Probe...
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rfenst Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 7:16 AM EST
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Summons to court to turn himself in this morning.

Discuss ...
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 7:23 AM EST
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Waiting for the details... Will he get pardoned after all this..?? Huh
rfenst Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 7:37 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Waiting for the details... Will he get pardoned after all this..?? Huh


All what? I am still waiting to learn what the charges are.
SteveS Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 7:38 AM EST
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not exactly a surprise ... but to tell the truth, I really wanted to see Hillary in cuffs and ducking her head as she was put into the back seat of a police cruiser ...
rfenst Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 9:09 AM EST
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Long list of charges, but the gist is money laundering related and false statements.

Whitehouse is already referring to him and Gates as "bad guys".
Speyside Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 9:33 AM EST
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I think Manafort and Gates could be linchpins, if they are unwilling to take the fall, and if anything illegal actually happened with Trump.
Mr. Jones Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 9:36 AM EST
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Too bad they aren't of Mexican heritage...

Then the white-HUT could call them
BAD HOMBRE'S


Mueller's "WITCH HUNT" IS OFFICIALLY STARTED NOW!!!

MUELLER , COMEY & FREEH have bigger problems coming
Very shortly...

the upcoming...

Congressional "COINTELLPRO II HEARINGS" EXPOSING & CONDEMNING GANGSTALKING by the SSG....
prolly postponed? By scaredy cat Paul Ryan getting REAL threats from the FBI AND THE DEEP STATE... < THEY'RE THE REAL
BAD HOMBRE'S
rfenst Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 9:42 AM EST
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TV news reports that a third party was charged and has plead guilty. Any one wonder whether that person "cut a deal"?
Gene363 Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 9:59 AM EST
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Check the dates, says Sal R. Perricone, a retired federal prosicutor:

Quote:
NOTE: As a retired federal prosecutor, I have written similar conspiracy indictments. The one thing that leaps from the pages of this indictment is that all the criminal activity occurred before Donald Trump announced he was running for president. The little trick that prosecutors use is called conspiracy expansion--that is by making the dates of the conspiracy to be as broad as they can and qualifying it in "approximate" terms. Now the Clintonistas, including CNN, will extrapolate that the president knew about the defendants' activities, or should have known and hired Manafort anyway. Just wait. It's coming. Nowhere in the indictment does it charge the defendants with and campaign-related activity or a commingling of criminal activity with what Manafort did for the Trump campaign. Readers and the public must exercise caution when reading any news reports about these types of matters. Reporters are not schooled or skilled in this matters and will mix their reporting with their untutored and biased opinions. CAVEAT LECTOR.
Gene363 Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 10:01 AM EST
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Judge Napolitano explains the charges:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5629823355001/?playlist_id=903354961001#sp=show-clips
Brewha Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 10:26 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Waiting for the details... Will he get pardoned after all this..?? Huh

No -

"Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome our first Presidential Scape Goats...."

AKA - "bad guys"
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 10:31 AM EST
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You're not even gonna wait for this to play out..?? Huh
MACS Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 10:35 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
TV news reports that a third party was charged and has plead guilty. Any one wonder whether that person "cut a deal"?


Yeah, if Trump is guilty of anything, he needs to take a page out of the Clinton handbook and kill anyone who can testify.

Edit: Too late, now, though...
DrafterX Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 10:35 AM EST
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True.. true... Mellow
dstieger Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 10:39 AM EST
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Who in history before Putin has managed to create so much turmoil and get so much blame for doing so little? Dude's gotta be amused as hell
DrafterX Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 10:41 AM EST
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TW thinks he's dreamy... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 10:42 AM EST
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Or dreams about him.. somethin like that.. Mellow
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#18 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 11:20 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Yeah, if Trump is guilty of anything, he needs to take a page out of the Clinton handbook and kill anyone who can testify.

Edit: Too late, now, though...

Well, it all depends on what the definition of "IS" is???Think
SteveS Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 11:21 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Who in history before Putin has managed to create so much turmoil and get so much blame for doing so little? Dude's gotta be amused as hell


Well, it's worth noting that the charges against these guys have nothing to do with Russia or collusion ... money laundering long before election campaign and lying under oath ... the money laundering stuff was quite well known to Washington insiders but may not have been known to Trump ... which, whether or not he knew about it, reflects quite poorly on him and his judgment (either he knew and thought it was no big deal or didn't know something virtually everyone else did) ...
dstieger Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 11:29 AM EST
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SteveS wrote:
Well, it's worth noting that the charges against these guys have nothing to do with Russia or collusion ...

I suppose I haven't been paying much attention....I disclaim that hearing the word Mueller...or Russia is like a hypnosis trigger that makes my eyes glaze over. But I thought that this 'investigation' was initiated to look into Russia or collusion...if true, wouldn't that mean that the 'charges against these guys' have a great deal to do with Russia...or at least result from something to do with Russia, even if imagined?

I guess you are really just making my point above....didn't mean to sound combative
SteveS Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 11:52 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
... I thought that this 'investigation' was initiated to look into Russia or collusion


I thought so too, but it appears it's more than that ...

and I'd still like to see Hillary swept up on some sort of charges ... she's been guilty of SO many crimes in the past and has somehow managed to get it all swept under the rug ...
teedubbya Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 12:36 PM EST
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What I read was through 2017 and does involve Russia

*shrug*

And according to trump these were bad guys before joining his campaign and bad guys after. He doesn’t mention the during part or why they were hired.

This is the beginning. It just needs to play out.

And oh yea Hillary Hillary Hillary...... indight her and hers if appropriate. Idgaf. But it has nothing to do with this and every time her name is invoked just recognize it’s deversionary. It’s ok but it is what it is.
SteveS Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 12:58 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
... every time her name is invoked just recognize it’s deversionary. It’s ok but it is what it is.


I've got no problem with these guys today being charged with money laundering... but when I say how much I'd like to see Shrillary face charges for some (any) of her crimes, it's not "diversionary" ... I've been hoping to see her rung up on charges for more than 25 years ... and with every passing year, there seems to be an increasing number of things for which she richly deserves criminal indictment, the Russia business as well ...
teedubbya Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 1:21 PM EST
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If she did something wrong lock her up. But yes if the need to invoke her name whenever trump or his crew's legal issues come up it is in deed diversionary. There are plenty of lock her up threads, but it is funny she gets dragged in to threads such as this.

you may have wanted her locked up for 25 years, and I believe that. But it's almost pavlovian when speaking of trump and his slime path..... Hillary. I did it as a joke in the other thread to beat everyone to it. It is so predictable.
teedubbya Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 1:23 PM EST
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For what it's worth SteveS I also don't have you pegged as strongly team Trump or blind to his slime path.... I don't mean that.
Brewha Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 2:16 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
What I read was through 2017 and does involve Russia

*shrug*

And according to trump these were bad guys before joining his campaign and bad guys after. He doesn’t mention the during part or why they were hired.

This is the beginning. It just needs to play out.

And oh yea Hillary Hillary Hillary...... indight her and hers if appropriate. Idgaf. But it has nothing to do with this and every time her name is invoked just recognize it’s deversionary. It’s ok but it is what it is.

The Right is just following the lead of their fuhrer. His tweets are crying louder and louder to "look over there".

Now he well have to work hard to distance himself from his boys - while talking about something else.....
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#27 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 2:23 PM EST
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Beginning to feel like Watergate, when underlings were charged in the cover-up. I was in college at the time, and actually liked Nixon once he ended the draft. I was certain to go to Nam with a lottery number in the 30's. The conservatives on campus were claiming witch hunt and the liberals were ready to string him up...deja vu all over again...

Question now is: Is there evidence to implicate Trump in any wrong-doing?

Nixon may have survived except for his perjury and obstruction of justice, trying to conceal and then contain the scandal. Trump seems to like that play-book...bad juju...
Brewha Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 2:30 PM EST
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This will be more interesting than Watergate - Trump has a lot of experience skirting the law. Just look at his bankruptcy track record.

Guess we get to watch him go into full weasel mode......
frankj1 Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 8:32 PM EST
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SteveS wrote:
Well, it's worth noting that the charges against these guys have nothing to do with Russia or collusion ... money laundering long before election campaign and lying under oath ... the money laundering stuff was quite well known to Washington insiders but may not have been known to Trump ... which, whether or not he knew about it, reflects quite poorly on him and his judgment (either he knew and thought it was no big deal or didn't know something virtually everyone else did) ...

I have posted many times going back many months that this won't end up being about any vote fixing, it will be about buying in by Russia (and others) for policy influence...Trump picked guys known to have been paid zillions going back even before he began to campaign. He picked them for real reasons. He also was moving to become a developer in Russia before the POTUS job opened up.

Some of his first statements on the campaign trail were about admiring Putin, how nice it would be to get along with Russia, blah blah blah...they pre-paid for that advertisement.
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#30 Posted: Mon, Oct 30 2017, 10:59 PM EST
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Truth doesn't matter to his supporters...they believe him when he says it is all FAKE News...there are some who still believe Nixon was not a crook...even with the proof laid out before them.

That's why Trump keeps fighting and belittling the media, not the investigators...his aim is for the court of public opinion...his slice of the public anyways...


...and ...yes...this is just the start...pretty sure Trump and his boys (Eric, Don Jr, Steve) and the rest of them running his campaign are in a heap a trouble...
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#31 Posted: Sat, Nov 4 2017, 12:54 PM EST
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impeach Liar trump
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#32 Posted: Sat, Nov 4 2017, 1:39 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Truth doesn't matter to his supporters...they believe him when he says it is all FAKE News...there are some who still believe Nixon was not a crook...even with the proof laid out before them.

That's why Trump keeps fighting and belittling the media, not the investigators...his aim is for the court of public opinion...his slice of the public anyways...


...and ...yes...this is just the start...I HOPE Trump and his boys (Eric, Don Jr, Steve) and the rest of them running his campaign are in a heap a trouble...
Speyside Offline
#33 Posted: Sat, Nov 4 2017, 2:40 PM EST
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I hope the truth comes out. If dirty so be it, if clean so be it.
delta1 Offline
#34 Posted: Sat, Nov 4 2017, 3:08 PM EST
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No hope on my part...wheels have been turning way before any of us realized anything was going on...and yes, the truth will come out...

From the documents of the Papadopoulos guilty plea agreement, he admitted lying about meetings with Russian government officials after he became a member of the the Trump campaign, and lied about reporting on those meetings to people higher up. Like the meeting with Russian govt agents described in the Kushner and Trump Jr emails, those higher up, including Trump and Sessions, have denied they took place. Until the investigations uncovered documents about them...all facts, not fake...

and as the trickle of more damaging truth runs higher up the Trump campaign chain of command...the attacks on the media will intensify, as will the attacks on the credibility of the special prosecutor and the House and Senate investigation committees...and on the Dems and President Hillary...oh wait, she didn't win the election...Trump is the President.

If only Trump and his people had acknowledged these meetings and explained them to the public from the beginning, there wouldn't be this slow train wreck that is over-shadowing his presidency.

I'm pretty sure this is how a Hillary Presidency would've looked like...endless investigations by the GOP led Congress to derail any executive initiatives...and those on the right would be pumping up the noise here rather than tamping it down, like during the Obama terms...

The difference is that there was enough factual evidence of wrongdoing that even though Trump and the GOP controls both the executive branch (the intelligence gatherers and the investigators) and Congress (the over-seers and funders), they can't halt the proceedings.
DrafterX Offline
#35 Posted: Sat, Nov 4 2017, 4:54 PM EST
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Well, we coulda voted for McAfee I guess.. Mellow
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#36 Posted: Sat, Nov 4 2017, 5:11 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Well, we coulda voted for McAfee I guess.. Mellow


Wouldn't be the first killer in the whitehouse
DrafterX Offline
#37 Posted: Sat, Nov 4 2017, 5:26 PM EST
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True.. true.. the Clinton list is real.. Mellow
rfenst Offline
#38 Posted: Sun, Nov 5 2017, 9:13 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Well, we coulda voted for McAfee I guess.. Mellow

I heard he has a virus and stuff.
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