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House Intelligence Comte Ends Probe
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delta1 Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Mar 13 2018, 5:23 PM EST
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The House Intelligence Committee ended its investigation into Russian interference during the 2016 elections, finding no evidence of collusion between the Kremlin and the Trump campaign, and disagreeing with the US Intel community's finding that the interference was motivated by Putin's intent to hurt Hillary and help Trump.

There was no effort made to address one of the initial objectives of the investigation: determine what happened and make recommendations to prevent such actions in the future.

The conclusion of the comte's work was orchestrated by the GOP majority, without notification to, or involvement by, Dem membership.

What a waste of time and money.
ZRX1200 Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Mar 13 2018, 6:10 PM EST
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Schiff is gonna miss his 15 mins....
frankj1 Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Mar 13 2018, 6:25 PM EST
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yet they did conclude Russian election meddling definitely happened and will continue to happen, but rushed to conclude collusion did not happen before Mueller's investigation is complete. Questionable, but understandable. No upside to waiting for the GOP.

Clearly the goal of the GOP was to find no ties to Trump. Imagine an investigation on either side with a goal? Great for us citizens.... yawn. Doesn't really matter. No influenced vote count can be produced related to false info, despite Russia feeling it is worth it ...but at least subliminal suggestion has been entered into the cbid forum-allowed parlance on the subject.

So we can now call it fact that Russia was doing it, if we can believe the GOP Committee members...that should change half the future posts here!
delta1 Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Mar 13 2018, 7:18 PM EST
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I'm not sure that the Russians (cons are dullards) have succeeded in interfering subliminally (cons are gullible)...wouldn't that presume that the targeted audience (cons prefer authoritarians) is engaged and aware enough (cons like dictators) to actually allow subconscious messages to sink in? They hardly seem capable of seeing stuff in front of them...
MACS Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Mar 13 2018, 7:19 PM EST
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I agree it's not worth the paper it's printed on.

My very first thought was, "It's led by the GOP... dems will see nothing other than that and b*tch about it".

Thanks for proving my point, Al. And to be fair, if the dems led an investigation against their own, I'd feel the same way. It's dubious, at best.
delta1 Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Mar 13 2018, 7:28 PM EST
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I remember there being some bipartisanship during the Watergate investigations, and it was the GOP leadership that ultimately convinced Nixon to resign rather than put the country through the agony of an impeachment...

at one time, both the House and Senate Intel committees were considered to be the least partisan of Congressional bodies because they were responsible for national security...

This is not to say that the result should have been that Trump should be impeached...rather, there should've been a more thorough and open process instead of conducting business behind closed doors...the American public should be allowed to see and hear how the committee came to its conclusion.
MACS Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 2:02 AM EST
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I won't argue. I agree that neither side is willing to work with the other, now.

You and I are fast friends. We like and respect each other. Why is it alien to demand that our elected officials do the same?

I believe you and I would solidly support one another in forcing our respective parties be civil and discuss issues like you and I do. Maybe not with a cigar and a beer (and shots of tequila) but at least in a civil manner.

Although a cigar and a few shots may help.
frankj1 Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 8:01 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
I won't argue. I agree that neither side is willing to work with the other, now.

You and I are fast friends. We like and respect each other. Why is it alien to demand that our elected officials do the same?

I believe you and I would solidly support one another in forcing our respective parties be civil and discuss issues like you and I do. Maybe not with a cigar and a beer (and shots of tequila) but at least in a civil manner.

Although a cigar and a few shots may help.

and a new Party is born!
count me in.
Speyside Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 8:12 AM EST
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MACS, that is how politics should work. It is a shame it does not. I would like to think most Americans would do the same.
NWStogie Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 8:29 AM EST
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I seem to recall an interview with an old-school politician who was reflecting on the time he and his colleagues from across the aisle used to spend drinking (and probably smoking cigars) together. He drew a direct correlation between that time spent and their ability to work together to get things done.

Although I’ve kept my politics to myself here, you can count me in, too.
Cathcam13 Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 10:52 AM EST
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I am always down for that kind of party. Should we come up with a name for the new party?
teedubbya Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 11:01 AM EST
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House Intelligence Committee

Jumbo Shrimp
teedubbya Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 11:03 AM EST
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Nunes has solidified himself as a historically ugly character that will be discussed and studied for generations.
victor809 Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 11:18 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Nunes has solidified himself as a historically ugly character that will be discussed and studied for generations.


You assume that our follow-up generations will be able to study.... Have you seen DeVos?
ZRX1200 Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 11:19 AM EST
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Rushed? He was supposed to be done by the end of the year Frank.....there is no evidence of collusion. Does the unmasking that took place not strike you as partisan and very troublesome? Do you see no issue with the FISA the way it was used?

What pisses me off is people not seeing the forest through the trees.
DrafterX Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 11:21 AM EST
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Well this reaction was predictable.. Mellow
RMAN4443 Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 12:30 PM EST
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Cathcam13 wrote:
I am always down for that kind of party. Should we come up with a name for the new party?



teedubbya wrote:
House Intelligence Committee

Jumbo Shrimp


Seems kinda long but if you like it I'll have a beer and a shot and vote for it too Beer
frankj1 Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 4:16 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Rushed? He was supposed to be done by the end of the year Frank.....there is no evidence of collusion. Does the unmasking that took place not strike you as partisan and very troublesome? Do you see no issue with the FISA the way it was used?

What pisses me off is people not seeing the forest through the trees.

there may in fact end up being no collusion, but those being investigated have also been denying Russian meddling of any kind from jump street. OK. but according to the GOP, there was and will be more meddling, ...that should be the focus of your ire.


What I have been saying from day one is that it won't end up being about any proven tainted physical ballots cast, but gazillions of dollars have been filtered down to the people who from the beginning have had much to do with our new administration. There's the forest.
frankj1 Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 4:17 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
House Intelligence Committee

Jumbo Shrimp

the oxymoron party?
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 4:34 PM EST
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Unmasking and the fisa process could use a good looking at. In this case I find them to be the trees rather than the forest though. Tress some want you to stare at but trees none the less. The trees have been studied pretty well and even treated like those little Benghazi trees.

The Forrest is still being explored but many wish it wasn't.
tailgater Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 5:26 PM EST
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The probe ends with no evidence of collusion.

Frank goes out on a limb and says "there may in fact end up being no collusion"

They getting to you my friend?
Overdue for a smoke?
Or you just tossing your hat in the ring for the Mr. Obvious award?
tailgater Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 5:29 PM EST
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"Collusion?
Collusion is SOOOO 2017.

We don't care about no stinking collusion.
It never was really THAT important."

-Lefty Liberal
teedubbya Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 5:40 PM EST
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I'm actually glad they ended the investigation. They were not investigating just leaking. Both sides...both sides...


It wasn't a legitimate investigation and both sides are admitting that.
frankj1 Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 5:59 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
The probe ends with no evidence of collusion.

Frank goes out on a limb and says "there may in fact end up being no collusion"

They getting to you my friend?
Overdue for a smoke?
Or you just tossing your hat in the ring for the Mr. Obvious award?




I have a looong record stating that collusion won't be the big ending after the dust settles, and that it won't be about specific votes related to tampering, but you don't mind if I wait for the non-fiction version of the investigation, do ya? HA!

You guys have been hanging your hats on "collusion" while agreeing with Trump that there's been no tampering as well.
With or without collusion, The Election was tampered with! why are righties relieved and not outraged? This is a yuuuge issue.

why is the right not pushing for implementation of sanctions? Answer: Bought and paid for influence, as I have been stating from day one. But that doesn't explain why the cigar guys aren't.

We don't yet know all the benefits Russia (and Ukraine) have acquired, how much policy influence they control or are owed. And even that collusion thingy isn't final just because a committee born with an agenda came through.

I've had a few smokes, but overdue to get together wif you.
delta1 Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 6:22 PM EST
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It was a farce the moment Nunes, Trump's stooge, was ushered into the WH in the middle of the night to look at "confidential intel that proved Obama wire-tapped Trump Tower".

... the very same discredited sources that supposedly showed a nefarious scheme to "unmask" Trump campaign staff. The cons continue to run the narrative that "unmask" means to out someone for an unlawful purpose, and that the US intel community did so intentionally to hurt Trump. As applied to these docs, there was intel being gathered on foreign agents (Russian spies) that were known to be operating against U.S. interests. These foreign agents were discovered to be communicating with US citizens. These documents generally redact/black-out names of US citizens incidentally discovered. The "unmasking" was the request to reveal who these US citizens were, a reasonable response given the seriousness of the matter being investigated....


What the cons did to out Valerie Plame, in effort to sell the Iraq war...now that was a troublesome "unmasking"...
ZRX1200 Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 6:34 PM EST
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Richard Armitage is a con now? Are you even serious with that last sentence?
delta1 Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 9:59 PM EST
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Novak, the journalist who wrote the story, confirmed he had two sources: Karl Rove and Richard Armitage. Both were members of the Bush administration. Armitage was the Deputy Secretary of State.
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#28 Posted: Thu, Mar 15 2018, 3:28 PM EST
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Interesting and truly disturbing that Putin and his hackers have a better understanding of our democracy than even we do.
And look how easy it is for them to sow discord among Americans.

Pretty adept. Here we all are either denying or declaring something that our intelligence agencies say happened while Putin is doubling down on our 2020 elections.

You have to admit, at very least, they're smarter than we are.
delta1 Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Mar 15 2018, 3:54 PM EST
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I heard that Trump has been in contact with the Russians to step up their efforts for the 2018 elections...
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