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Nothing says winning like the hooker paying you.

How’s victory taste Stormy? Like Cheeto stew?

we talked about this here back in October, it's not the core case involving President Trump's affair with the porn actress (not easy to write in America).
This was a spin off defamation of character case.

The bigger one may swing drastically on future Cohen stuff.

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well, the President of The United States used his best judgement and threw all his trust to a Russian mob connected "attorney" who dabbled in lucrative NYC taxi medallions...but who bought condos from Trump.

Jamie, the bigger question here is...do you trust a President who does that?
He entered a race to the bottom.

Winning.

The notion that we can elect an untarnished person to the office of President is farfetched. But, we did elect a person whose never lived in a fishbowl so he’s much less adept at concealing it. In addition, he reminds me of the tale of the naked emperor. Instead of clothing being his Achilles heel, his faults are that he thinks he’s smarter than everyone else and he loves himself much more than anyone else loves him.

At the end of the day he makes it very easy to hate the player instead of the game.

I see your point. Perhaps I should have said a fishbowl which he has no control of. As far as level of sliminess, I’m not sure he’s heads and shoulders above the competition.

not crossing my fingers at all...

just matching up the man since he became POTUS to his past that was filled with deceitful business practices, for which he's been sued successfully dozens of times and which he filed for bankruptcy 4 times; his shady self-serving foundation that is now being sued; his broad, persistent and public support for an obvious political conspiracy hoax/hack job in an overtly racist attack on the POTUS; his boasting that he was smart for not paying his taxes; his refusal to produce his tax returns;

countless lies and contradictory statements since he started running for POTUS in 2015; documented events involving him, his family, his long-time friends and acquaintances with sketchy Russian oligarchs, which he vehemently denied initially, and once proven that he was lying, now claims there was nothing wrong, which doesn't explain why he and they lied consistently until shown they are lying; using campaign funds to pay off and shut up two mistresses from coming forward a few weeks before the election and right after the Access Hollywood tape became public, stories that may have eroded support from some Americans and ended his hopes for winning the office...

his lack of judgement to surround himself with such dubious people, including the lying lawyer, the lying campaign chief with ties to Russia and the Ukraine, which Russia is actively usurping and undermining; the lying right wing political hack who floated the birther attack; allowing lying Jared into the inner circle so that he could do business for his family's RE holdings with the power of the USA behind him; his continuing to do business with Russians after he jumped into the race, exposing himself to a hostile foreign adversarial government after he was warned that the foreign government was attempting to interfere in the elections; openly welcoming Russian help during the campaign; 16 of his lying associates and family members have been identified as having communicated/coordinated with Russians since he entered the race; dozens of Russians identified as those interfering in our election, several of whom had ties to Trump's people...

and on, and on...

not crossing my fingers, just connecting the dots...NLMAO

any con who says they would give Hillary a pass if all this was said and done by her and her peeps is delusional...I would want her jailed if she did this stuff...

the campaign finance felonies are the types of crimes that have gotten many public officials thrown out of office and indicted...

the cover-up lies and behavior started while he was campaigning and continues to this day...such abuse of power has a title: obstruction of justice...

past Presidents have suffered consequences for that stuff...


my question is whether or not the American people as a whole, have the ability to hold our values, principles and ideals higher than an individual for temporary political gain...

Al... the same question could be asked if Hillary won, and if she had you wouldn't be asking it.

if Hillary had won and was accused of doing this stuff, and the investigation proceeded with numerous indictments and guilty pleas indicating actual criminal behavior by those high up in her campaign, I would want her out of office...I am positive that she would have been impeached long ago by the GOP House and then found guilty by the GOP Senate, prolly when irrefutable proof surfaced that members of her campaign staff attended a meeting with agents of a hostile adversarial foreign government...good riddance, totally aboard with her ouster under those circumstances...

on the other hand, if she had won, and her Presidency didn't have a Russia-like scandal and the appointment of a Special Counsel looking into her campaign, she would've been mired in Congressional investigations into her private server and emails and Benghazi and the infamous meeting between Comey and Bill and Rice on the tarmac...there would be findings of improper behavior...high crimes and misdemeanors...impeachment and conviction...not sure I'd be on board here, unless more persuasive evidence was found of her criminal actions than exists now...

Oh I respectfully ask you CITE THAT SCHIT!!!! He would have to KNOWINGLY know it was illega and I would LOVE for you to talk about how frequently this is prosecuted BEYOND a fine.....I’ll be patiently holding my breath.....or not....


The defense rests your honor. He’s a turd....and the people that spent years defending Obama and calling opposition racists and fools are showing what real blindness looks like. I’m not referencing you Al btw

^^^#22 post

DITTO ...+INFINITY

LOOK UP IDIOT IN THE DICTIONARY...it says ...the douche from Virginia named kaine

It was the post talking about how Bill Clinton's escapades actually paled in comparison to the Murdering Rapist Klan in Camelot known as the Kennedys.

intent is the difference...

most campaign finance violations that result in civil fines were deemed "clerical...accounting" errors with scant evidence that fraud and intent to squelch information that may have impacted the candidate's chances were the motives behind the campaign finance violations...

that's why this case involving Trump and Cohen are different...they knew what they were doing and why...there's a tape of their conversations and Cohen has admitted so much...they created shadow corporations to try to conceal their acts, which shows they knew what the law is...they paid the money from their campaign's funds to prevent negative information about Trump's past sexual adventures while he was married and while his wife was pregnant, facts which may have impacted the votes of people who hadn't made up their minds...

They = Cohen and Trump...Cohen pled guilty and said under oath that he was directed and coordinated by Trump, as proved in an audio tape that recorded their discussion of how the payment would be made, in violation of the laws...

we'll never know if keeping the mistresses silent made a difference in the election...winning or losing the election doesn't really matter in proving that Cohen and Trump committed felonies in violation of campaign finance laws

For 2+ years we've been hearing how Trump will be impeached. For Russian collusion. For being a threat to national security. Instead we're hearing the left trying to pull together enough "technicalities" to get him for breaking campaign finance laws.

Obama was fined $375k for breaking those laws.

But the left want Trump impeached.



I get it.
It's partisan.
It's Clinton and his fat intern all over again.

The right have the benefit of hindsight on this. The left are too busy stewing in their own juices to see it. They want Al Capone even if it's just a "trumped" up tax evasion offense.

Look!
Something shiny!

er, I mean: Something Russian!