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GOP: Trump is Not Racist
delta1 Offline
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During the opening statement of his testimony before the House Oversight Committee, Trump's former personal attorney Michael Cohen said that "Trump is a racist, a conman and a cheat." How often has a sitting POTUS's character been assassinated during an official public proceeding in such blunt terms?

During the next 7.5 hours of testimony, during which Trump's party members on the committee had nearly half the time to dispute these serious allegations about the questionable character of the POTUS, all they could manage was a stunt that screamed what racism looked like in bygone eras in a misguided attempt to rebut Cohen's accusation that Trump is racist.

GOP Member Mark Meadows (a man who won office as a birther) propped up a friend of the Trump family, a black woman who the POTUS employs as an event planner for his administration, as proof that the POTUS is not a racist. She stood there silently, since the rules of the committee do not allow such "guests" authorization to speak.

Classic...throwback to the 60's and 70's when people denied being racists by saying their "best friends are black"... and I got a picture in my wallet to prove it....

Not one peep by any member of the GOP to deny the "conman and cheat" charges Cohen leveled at Trump.
ZRX1200 Offline
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When did you stop beating your wife?
DrafterX Offline
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Repeat the lie enough and it becomes the truth... Mellow
delta1 Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
When did you stop beating your wife?



lol..that was also a popular response to being called a racist back in the day...

personally, the correct question to stump me is: "why did your wife stop beating you?"
tailgater Offline
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delta1 wrote:


Not one peep by any member of the GOP to deny the "conman and cheat" charges Cohen leveled at Trump.


Some might say that an intelligent person would realize that those charges are less damaging.



tailgater Offline
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Cohen is a proven liar.

Except when he disparages Trump.

frankj1 Offline
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is Trump an honest person?
would anyone describe him or his career as honorable, trustworthy?
did he not personally decide to employ all of these lowlife liars?

Just saying, this is the crowd we have put in power. Claiming that any single one of the crowd stands out as despicable is shortsighted.

The fish rots from the head down. How do we separate his handpicked crowd from his selection process once the unraveling begins?

I hope we are spared even worse. Impeachment proceedings could be devastating. The best we could hope for is these people were rogues trying to impress the uninformed boss.
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^^^
not asking if one agrees with his politics.
DrafterX Offline
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Do we ignore the good he's done... Or just give Obama credit... Hillary woulda raised taxes, she said so, and the stock market woulda crashed... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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huh?
RobertHively Offline
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To the detractors of President (Enter Name) Trump? Obama? All?

He didn't do that. And if he did, he didn't mean that. And if he did, you didn't understand it. And if you did, it's not a big deal. And if it is, others have done worse.

sincerely,

The supporters
teedubbya Offline
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Minimal good. Lots of damage. Let’s not ignore that.
Speyside Offline
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It wouldn't suprise me if any number of his family members end up facing RICO charges. Him too once he is no longer president.
Gene363 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Cohen is a proven liar.

Except when he disparages Trump.



All you need to know.
tailgater Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
is Trump an honest person?
would anyone describe him or his career as honorable, trustworthy?
did he not personally decide to employ all of these lowlife liars?

Just saying, this is the crowd we have put in power. Claiming that any single one of the crowd stands out as despicable is shortsighted.

The fish rots from the head down. How do we separate his handpicked crowd from his selection process once the unraveling begins?

I hope we are spared even worse. Impeachment proceedings could be devastating. The best we could hope for is these people were rogues trying to impress the uninformed boss.


Substitute any POTUS since Reagan for Trump in the above.

We live in an era where "honest" and "politician" have twain's on different paths.

tailgater Offline
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RobertHively wrote:
To the detractors of President (Enter Name) Trump? Obama? All?

He didn't do that. And if he did, he didn't mean that. And if he did, you didn't understand it. And if you did, it's not a big deal. And if it is, others have done worse.

sincerely,

The supporters


My brutha from another mutha!

opelmanta1900 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Minimal good. Lots of damage. Let’s not ignore that.

Lots of damage? Really? How's the economy? Unemployment numbers? Tax rate? Are immigration issues further down the list of importance or closer to the top than before trump stepped in?

I'm not a big fan of who trump is, but to say he's caused lots of damage is nonsensical... If you were hoping the president would be yet another politician who would buddy up with other politicians at home and abroad, I can see why you're disappointed... If you were hoping the president would have a ton of f*cks to give about things like the shaky science of climate change, lgbtqrs rights, or trying to normalize the barbaric practices of Islam, I can see why you're disappointed...

The rest of us care about things like the economy, Unemployment, taxation...
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tailgater wrote:
My brutha from another mutha!


RobertH don't say much, but he generally makes a point, even when I don't like it!
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Lots of damage? Really? How's the economy? Unemployment numbers? Tax rate? Are immigration issues further down the list of importance or closer to the top than before trump stepped in?

I'm not a big fan of who trump is, but to say he's caused lots of damage is nonsensical... If you were hoping the president would be yet another politician who would buddy up with other politicians at home and abroad, I can see why you're disappointed... If you were hoping the president would have a ton of f*cks to give about things like the shaky science of climate change, lgbtqrs rights, or trying to normalize the barbaric practices of Islam, I can see why you're disappointed...

The rest of us care about things like the economy, Unemployment, taxation...


Yeah, but #MeToo.


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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Lots of damage? Really? How's the economy? Unemployment numbers? Tax rate? ...

...

The rest of us care about things like the economy, Unemployment, taxation...



Trump inherited a growing economy, and did help it generate some better quarters of GDP...but the numbers from last year were about the same as years past...he did not hit his goal of 3, or 4, even 5% GDP...he has applied his own brakes to momentum he deserves credit for, by imposing tariffs, starting trade wars and disrupting economic and political partnerships with our allies...

unemployment is at historic lows...credit due to Trump...but most of the jobs are low-paying...wages haven't kept up with the cost of living...what happened to the higher wages he promised when he enacted his tax cuts...

speaking of....have you filed your tax returns yet?

All those accomplishments you give him credit for are fool's gold: peel back the shiny surface and there is rot there...if they were real, the GOP would've run on them during the last elections and maintained control of Congress...

not to mention trillions of dollars in future debt....

why didn't Trump and the GOP campaign on: "look at the numbers...MAGA worked...let's celebrate"

because he said all of our problems were due to the illegals, the dangerous people invading from the south...
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delta1 wrote:

speaking of....have you filed your tax returns yet?

Paid in 3% less overall for the year and saw a 20% increase on the fed return... That's what I base most my opinion on...
delta1 Offline
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fair enough...my son didn't do so well...they did not get as many tax credits/write-offs as in past years due to the Trump tax cut rules and the rate drop wasn't enough to compensate for the lost deductions/credits...big one was not getting credit for state and local taxes...

we have our tax appt. in a couple of weeks...looms like a dental appt on the calendar...
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2 things... One is that a tax return isn't an indication of much... What matters is what percentage you paid over the whole year... Its very possible that your son and his family paid less this year than they have in many years, but if they didn't heed the irs warning to adjust their withholding, their return would've shrunk from previous years...

Second, I won't make any assumptions about your sons situation, but any household making upwards of $90-$100k per year should definitely expect to shoulder more than they have previously... It's what the dems have always claimed they wanted but never actually done...
delta1 Offline
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that wasn't how Trump sold his tax-cut, though...he called it his "Middle Class Tax Cut"

“Our framework ensures that the benefits of tax reform go to the middle class, not to the highest earners.”
– President Donald Trump, Oct. 11, 2017
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Except for the states with outrageous state taxes... We all knew that going in... Mellow
victor809 Offline
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Hey Opel.... Not sure what you mean by "tax return won't indicate much"...

Unless Delta's isn't bright enough to know the difference between total taxes and how much you owe after withholding.... I think he's smart enough to know the difference...
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delta1 wrote:
that wasn't how Trump sold his tax-cut, though...he called it his "Middle Class Tax Cut"

“Our framework ensures that the benefits of tax reform go to the middle class, not to the highest earners.”
– President Donald Trump, Oct. 11, 2017



And if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor and I did not have sexual relations with that woman and read my lips no new taxes and for realsies Iraq has wm-diddle-d's...

If a politician is selling, don't buy...

And let's definitely not complain about the rich paying more than the poor... People with kids saw their income tax credit doubled... And those are the people more likely to be struggling financially and more likely to pump that money back into the economy...
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victor809 wrote:
Hey Opel.... Not sure what you mean by "tax return won't indicate much"...

Unless Delta's isn't bright enough to know the difference between total taxes and how much you owe after withholding.... I think he's smart enough to know the difference...


I've heard lots of people who I consider to be smart complain that they didn't see as big a refund check without realizing that, since they paid in a lower percentage overall for the year, the normal amount they would've seen in one check at the end of the year was instead dispersed into their weekly paychecks throughout the year, and that total amount they saw in their weekly paychecks is likely greater than they've seen on that one big check in years past...
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Huh.... So you're telling me that people you considered smart didn't understand the concept of withholding??? :)
opelmanta1900 Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Huh.... So you're telling me that people you considered smart didn't understand the concept of withholding??? :)

Yes... But not so much that they don't understand as they have it so ingrained in their minds that the size of their tax return is the barometer of the economy... If you can explain to someone that that isn't the case and they understand, I would qualify them as at least a little smart... And most people would understand if they bothered to try instead of blaming the shambles of their lives on the president...
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I wouldn't expect people who's lives are shambles to be able to understand a ton....

But I have less faith in people than you do.
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I've heard lots of people who I consider to be smart complain that they didn't see as big a refund check without realizing that, since they paid in a lower percentage overall for the year, the normal amount they would've seen in one check at the end of the year was instead dispersed into their weekly paychecks throughout the year, and that total amount they saw in their weekly paychecks is likely greater than they've seen on that one big check in years past...

the new tax changes took place well into the year. As soon as I saw an increased direct deposit, I increased my 401k contribution, not my withholding.

but this will expire...for the middle class anyway.
ZRX1200 Offline
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They changed the withholding tables.

MVNR
delta1 Offline
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in my son's case, despite the tax rate for his income level dropping, his net tax payment (total dollars and percentage) was higher because several deductions and credits he qualified for and used in the past were eliminated, which exceeded the amount saved from the 3% tax rate drop...not by a lot, but the tax cut did not help him...

so we apply what the politician says and does to our personal lives, and you came out better...and that's why you're judging Trump a success...OK...

I'm not optimistic that I'll be a beneficiary of the Trump middle class tax cut, though...unless it is large enough to actually make a real difference in my life...we have a tax appt. later this week...




It just swells my heart though, the the richest among us who were in dire straits were the real beneficiaries...and all the benefits that Trump said would result did not pan out...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/teresaghilarducci/2018/09/28/who-benefits-from-the-tax-cut-10-months-later/#1427ad8326bb
ZRX1200 Offline
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Certain itemized deductions were eliminated.

We need a %5 flat tax one time, and mandatory balanced budgets & eiminate CRs.
delta1 Offline
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by appointing the billionaire class and their minions to high levels of government, Trump may have done his most effective work for the wealthy class and big business in America...businesses that were experiencing record profits before he came to office...at the expense of the consumer, the average American...he falsely said that he would work on behalf of the people, but we aint them...

Trump's roll-back of regulations on businesses have increased our exposure to polluted water, air and soil...unhealthy conditions that we, the people will ultimately pay to correct

his anti-scientist policies and cuts of fed funds have paused important research work by government scientists in the EPA, FDA, Energy, NIH and other fed agencies that is intended to provide insights to enhance the health and lives of all Americans...

and his leadership style has intensified the divisions that already existed among us...

some of us who formerly demanded public officials to exhibit ethical behavior and positive character; who once marveled at how Reagan showed great respect for the office because he insisted on keeping his suit coat and tie on while in the Oval Office...now are OK with a conman, a cheat, a fraud, an admitted sexual assaulter, a pathological liar...

but it's fine to have a POTUS like Trump, who is all of those, because arguably he may or may not be a racist...

DrafterX Offline
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Ya, I read that on CNN the other day... Mellow
delta1 Offline
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I'll count you as one of the "some of us who formerly..."


do you think Trump is a racist?
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delta1 wrote:
by appointing the billionaire class and their minions to high levels of government, Trump may have done his most effective work for the wealthy class and big business in America...businesses that were experiencing record profits before he came to office...at the expense of the consumer, the average American...he falsely said that he would work on behalf of the people, but we aint them...

So you're literally mad at trump for not undoing what Obama did? But you love yourself some 'bama?

delta1 wrote:
Trump's roll-back of regulations on businesses have increased our exposure to polluted water, air and soil...unhealthy conditions that we, the people will ultimately pay to correct

Trump can't roll back state regulations...

delta1 wrote:

his anti-scientist policies and cuts of fed funds have paused important research work by government scientists in the EPA, FDA, Energy, NIH and other fed agencies that is intended to provide insights to enhance the health and lives of all Americans...

In my best dr phil, how's that been going for you? Seems like trump is the result of a ton of people living outside of California and New York who weren't seeing that enhancement... Thanks Obama...

delta1 wrote:

And his leadership style has intensified the divisions that already existed among us...

I would argue that those increased divisions are in fact the result of a 24-hour negative news cycle... And I believe those words will be proven true as we see those divisions consistently increase regardless of who the future president is...

delta1 wrote:

some of us who formerly demanded public officials to exhibit ethical behavior and positive character; who once marveled at how Reagan showed great respect for the office because he insisted on keeping his suit coat and tie on while in the Oval Office...now are OK with a conman, a cheat, a fraud, an admitted sexual assaulter, a pathological liar...

No offense to your generation, but what a naive bunch... To respect a man because of what he wears on the outside instead of looking within to see what he truly is...

This is why people are so appalled with trump and so enamored with Obama... They love the smoke and mirrors show, they love the Hollywood, glory seeking, put on your fancy panties for the awards show and make a speech about how much of a difference you make with your words and not with your money bull sh*t...

Trump is the ass hole who shows up to the black tie event wearing the tuxedo t shirt and ruins all the delusional girls fantasies about how wonderful and important they are...

delta1 wrote:

but it's fine to have a POTUS like Trump, who is all of those, because arguably he may or may not be a racist...


George Washington literally owned black people... Literally... The way a person owns a pig... Or a shovel... Bad people can still accomplish good things... Doesn't make the good things bad or the bad people good, as evidenced by every single good thing a politician has ever accomplished...
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George Washington died from eating dinner in wet clothes..
Mellow
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I believe it was actually a combination of tuberculosis and a tomahawk to the back of the head...
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You're prolly thinking about George Washington Sr.. Mellow
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