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ZRX1200 Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2019, 8:05 PM EST
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https://www.scribd.com/document/402800029/Report-from-the-Special-Counsel-Investigation-into-Russian-Interference-During-and-Before-the-2016-Presidential-Election
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#2 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2019, 8:22 PM EST
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Cliff notes for the lazy.
ZRX1200 Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2019, 8:24 PM EST
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You lazy mofo
frankj1 Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2019, 8:26 PM EST
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do they sell cliff notes for the motivated?
ZRX1200 Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2019, 8:35 PM EST
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I’ll sell them for a cab of PLPC
MACS Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2019, 8:46 PM EST
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Handful of half smoked dog rockets... final offer.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2019, 8:55 PM EST
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You gonna half smoke 5 bad cigars, or you already did?
DrafterX Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2019, 8:59 PM EST
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I tried to tell youse guys... Not talking
Speyside Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2019, 9:07 PM EST
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Appears nothing shocking will be revealed, and no additional indictments. Good for Trump, even better for all of us.
MACS Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2019, 9:11 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
You gonna half smoke 5 bad cigars, or you already did?


C'mon, bro... I don't have bad cigars. I'm gonna pull them out of the ashtray at the local.
DrafterX Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2019, 9:56 PM EST
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Dems aren't happy... No surprise... Mellow
Mr. Jones Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2019, 10:15 PM EST
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Mr. Jones Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2019, 10:34 PM EST
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Pretty sure ...trump threatened mueller with a FRANK CHURCH 1975 MKULTRA-ESQUE congressional hearing ALA THE DOUBLE NAUGHTS modern times
TECHNICAL INVESTIGATION AND HE C.A.V.E.D. BIGTIME..ONCE he knew I'd be the star witness...

Mueller is the biggest f**kin poooooosaaaaaay I've ever known...what a girleeeee-man...the king rat maker cowered back into his dark hole...of cowardice...along with g.a.r.y....
DrafterX Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2019, 10:44 PM EST
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So, when you get your million back will you buy me a F-250 4x4.. ?? Huh
rfenst Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Mar 23 2019, 8:03 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Appears nothing shocking will be revealed, and no additional indictments. Good for Trump, even better for all of us.

As much as I dislike Trump, I agree with you.
Mr. Jones Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, Mar 23 2019, 10:54 AM EST
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#14 drafterX

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delta1 Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Mar 23 2019, 11:06 AM EST
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somebody's gonna get a smashed mouth...
Whistlebritches Offline
#18 Posted: Sat, Mar 23 2019, 11:52 AM EST
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But will the libs finally STFU and move on?
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted: Sat, Mar 23 2019, 12:20 PM EST
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Unfortunately no... Gotta wonder where the outrage was when the set Hillary free... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#20 Posted: Sat, Mar 23 2019, 12:43 PM EST
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butt Hillary...

the outrage was...right...over there... easy to see, dude...


to be honest, we need to focus on the Mueller investigation's findings of fact, first and foremost those facts about how a foreign adversary interfered with our national election, so that we can shut that down....that's what Muellar's investigation was purposed to do...remember that the first slew of indictments, 25 of them, were against Russians...

finding culpability by Americans was a secondary objective...


there should not have been a presumption that Trump himself would be indicted (DOJ policy seems to have precluded that regardless of facts)...though many hoped that would happen...findings of fact may implicate or exonerate Trump and people in the campaign...we'll see...bad behavior may not necessarily be criminal...

there are still plenty of other on-going investigations about Trump activities...some may be resolved before his first term ends...
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#21 Posted: Sat, Mar 23 2019, 1:47 PM EST
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But, but, can't be. Adam Schiff multiple times on camera said he had hard evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians. He said that a criminal indictment against Trump was guaranteed. I guess he forgot to give that evidence to Mueller.

I find it interesting that a Suffolk/USA Today poll of a few days ago showed that 50% of those polled believed that the Mueller investigation was a witch hunt. 47% believed that it was legitimate. Independents polled 52% to 42% in favor of a witch hunt. The poll also found that only 28.4% of respondents favored impeachment. A whopping 61.7% did not feel that Trump should be impeached.

But, I thought that only 30% supported Trump and the rest of the nation wanted him impeached. At least that's what many of my dear leftist acquaintances keep telling me over and over again.

David
Speyside Offline
#22 Posted: Sat, Mar 23 2019, 3:00 PM EST
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Dave, all I want is the truth, as stated above, what little we know about the findings are good for all of us. I don't want Trump as president, but I want him out of office the right way. Voted out.
delta1 Offline
#23 Posted: Sun, Mar 24 2019, 2:46 PM EST
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2020 is just around the corner and all the focus leading into next year's cycle will be the progress of the various criminal and Congressional investigations into Trump...the negative drumbeat will be similar to what was happening before 2016, with the endless Congressional investigations into Hillary...
Whistlebritches Offline
#24 Posted: Sun, Mar 24 2019, 2:51 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:


there are still plenty of other on-going investigations about Trump activities...some may be resolved before his first term ends...



More witch hunts at taxpayer's expense...…...but according to liberals that's ok,as long as they find an unpaid parking ticket or some other impeachable offense.
ZRX1200 Offline
#25 Posted: Sun, Mar 24 2019, 3:32 PM EST
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Process crimes are the lifeblood of D investigations......

Release paragraph 1 then talk
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#26 Posted: Mon, Mar 25 2019, 7:54 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
butt Hillary...

the outrage was...right...over there... easy to see, dude...


to be honest, we need to focus on the Mueller investigation's findings of fact, first and foremost those facts about how a foreign adversary interfered with our national election, so that we can shut that down....that's what Muellar's investigation was purposed to do...remember that the first slew of indictments, 25 of them, were against Russians...

finding culpability by Americans was a secondary objective...


there should not have been a presumption that Trump himself would be indicted (DOJ policy seems to have precluded that regardless of facts)...though many hoped that would happen...findings of fact may implicate or exonerate Trump and people in the campaign...we'll see...bad behavior may not necessarily be criminal...

there are still plenty of other on-going investigations about Trump activities...some may be resolved before his first term ends...



Gee, that's never happened beforeBrick wall
victor809 Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Mar 25 2019, 9:49 AM EST
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No one ever reads anything.

I doubt anyone here bothered scrolling past the first page of the "mueller report"....
dstieger Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Mar 25 2019, 10:31 AM EST
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I'd be willing to give it a good look. Shoot me a copy.
victor809 Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Mar 25 2019, 10:45 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
I'd be willing to give it a good look. Shoot me a copy.


Sort of my point. The entire thread is based on a rick-roll.... which no one seemed to notice. But were perfectly willing to provide their deep insight onto the material linked.

dstieger Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Mar 25 2019, 10:56 AM EST
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Heard Never Gonna Give You Up playing in the store the other day....was strange hearing it without having clicked on a Gerbil link.
delta1 Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Mar 25 2019, 12:15 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Sort of my point. The entire thread is based on a rick-roll.... which no one seemed to notice. But were perfectly willing to provide their deep insight onto the material linked.



you missed my smashed mouth reference...
victor809 Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Mar 25 2019, 12:25 PM EST
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you're right.... I did.
ZRX1200 Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Mar 25 2019, 1:52 PM EST
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At least Al can go out for recess....the rest of the class however
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#34 Posted: Mon, Mar 25 2019, 3:13 PM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
More witch hunts at taxpayer's expense...…...but according to liberals that's ok,as long as they find an unpaid parking ticket or some other impeachable offense.





It's a shame that their futile, useless, money wasting efforts will continued'oh!
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#35 Posted: Mon, Mar 25 2019, 5:00 PM EST
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The Barr synopsis is interesting. It did not clear Trump. It did say that the attorney general and his deputy decided there was not enough evidence to indict. It also stated that Trump was not exonerated. It also stated there were other ongoing investigations/cases based on Muellers findings. A very odd conclusion.
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#36 Posted: Mon, Mar 25 2019, 7:33 PM EST
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we have to see the report...Barr's previous position questioned the legitimacy of the Mueller investigation and urged that it be shut down, so can he be expected to review Mueller's report through objective lens...dunno, but Rosenstein did help him with the summary...he'd be foolish to spin the report since it will eventually be made public...
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#37 Posted: Mon, Mar 25 2019, 8:43 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
we have to see the report...Barr's previous position questioned the legitimacy of the Mueller investigation and urged that it be shut down, so can he be expected to review Mueller's report through objective lens...dunno, but Rosenstein did help him with the summary...he'd be foolish to spin the report since it will eventually be made public...


But the left will float it out there anyway.
teedubbya Offline
#38 Posted: Mon, Mar 25 2019, 9:28 PM EST
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We need to accept the report when it comes out. No matter which way you are rooting. I want no wrong doing, no action and vote this POS out next election.

Having not seen the report yet it seems there was no collusion or no conclusive evidence of it. I take it at face value and beleive it. In my mind....done.

The obstruction was done largely in plain view. Sounds like mueller didn’t draw a conclusion there but our new attorney general did. To be honest I see lots of obstructing but couldn’t make the call on obstruction of justice. However to me tie goes to the runner. In this case if there is no crime I’m not that interested in perusing the obstruction.

I’m for **** canning the whole thing and moving on.

As for Mueller I think he’s the one deserving great credit. Despite the smear job done constantly by the pres and his minions the lifelong republican and his 14 angry democrats kept silent and did what looks like the right thing. Time will tell. Does anyone ever look back at the absurdity they bought hook line and sinker. Either side?

Let’s stop this nonsense. I’m not sure when it started but Bills impeachment was a farce. Talk about process crimes lol. Hill dog is scum as is bill. The were both investigated deeply. As was bammy. Trump has too. Same deal. Accept all results or accept none.

I’m for moving on and governing. Trump has a chance here to do so. He likely won’t. The Dems likely won’t as well. I don’t mention Republicans because they no longer exist.
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#39 Posted: Mon, Mar 25 2019, 9:49 PM EST
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Tim, you are right, it is time to move on. I dislike that Mueller did not provide an answer on obstruction, it was his job to provide an answer. Perhaps additional information will make sense of that.
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#40 Posted: Tue, Mar 26 2019, 4:20 AM EST
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How can one obstruct "in plain view" on collusion that never happened?

Please, if it was in plain view... what was it?
teedubbya Offline
#41 Posted: Tue, Mar 26 2019, 7:57 AM EST
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How about railing on mueller and his 14 angry democrats virtually every day trying to delegitimize just in case they didn’t find favorably. Same with sessions. There are many more examples but really not worth discussing. You either see it or you don’t.

Obstructing the investigation has nothing to do with the purpose of the investigation. You can obstruct a cop investigating a potential crime even if in the end it’s determined there isn’t enough evidence to prosecute or proceed on the original crime. Sometimes there isn’t enough evidence BECAUSE of obstruction. But you know that.

In this instance it’s a person of power using all levers available to him to delegitimize or slow an investigation. I’d argue he was smart using power available and legal to him to fire people and hire people involved in the investigation etc. Any individual action legal, combined maybe not. However that’s an intense debate likely to damage our country. I suspect that’s why Mueller did not exonerate him, a case could be made but the result isn’t a slam dunk either way. It’s a very debatable question. The best legal minds don’t agree. It’s not absolute no matter what anyone in here thinks or says.

I hope we don’t end up having it. He played, he won. I’d not be very proud of it whichever president acted like that regardless of party. But if it’s your team winning is most important. It’s an unwinable and destructive argument for both sides.

I was pretty clear where I stand. I also indicated if there is no collusion then I’m not interested in going after obstruction. I believe you could but it’s not certain nor good for the country. It’s arguable and not really my argument to make.

I’m sick of the whole thing but it isn’t because mueller kept spouting off on it. It’s because trump did. He continually attacked it and the press was always happy to accommodate him (as well as the Dems). He led the drumbeat rather than followed it. And he did a good job. Possibly because he truly did nothing wrong in terms of collusion personally. I’d be pissed too. I just could never have the leverage in to an investigation of me that he did. I’d use it if I did though.

I think folks need to start looking around trump instead of fixating on him. Do what’s best for the country. Too many are focusing on what’s best for their guy or their team (which especially includes the anti trump crowd)

This is a mess. Someone has to break the cycle but that takes integrity.
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#42 Posted: Tue, Mar 26 2019, 8:11 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
How about railing on mueller and his 14 angry democrats virtually every day trying to delegitimize just in case they didn’t find favorably.

You've been wrongly accused... It resolved rather quickly, but had it not - had it dragged on for months on end - would you have "railed"?
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#43 Posted: Tue, Mar 26 2019, 8:13 AM EST
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No. I didn’t have the power to do so and the result would have backfired and been detrimental to me. I’d have suffered greatly for doing so. I had to cooperate.

But as I said, if I had the power and the levers to make it work.... then yes.
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#44 Posted: Tue, Mar 26 2019, 8:14 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
We need to accept the report when it comes out. No matter which way you are rooting. I want no wrong doing, no action and vote this POS out next election.

Out with this old pos, in with the new... Say what you want about this pos, at least he's not murdering a record number of innocent civilians via unmanned drone while pretending to be a beacon of peace, love, hope, and change...
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#45 Posted: Tue, Mar 26 2019, 8:16 AM EST
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I hope it gets down to policy. The drone war is something worthy of discussion. When did it end? Not being sarcastic just don’t know.


I do know it looks like we are letting others do the killing. That may or may not be better. *shrug*
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#46 Posted: Tue, Mar 26 2019, 8:18 AM EST
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Curious, what's a good president look like to you tw? Surely not beto, Sanders or biden?

I'm all for voting out the current pos, but not if it means voting in a pos of a slightly different flavor...
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#47 Posted: Tue, Mar 26 2019, 8:19 AM EST
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I’d like to see a different R vs a different D since third party isn’t realistic. I don’t see any Ds I like and don’t see any true Republicans.
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#48 Posted: Tue, Mar 26 2019, 8:20 AM EST
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Mike Rowe 2020?
teedubbya Offline
#49 Posted: Tue, Mar 26 2019, 8:23 AM EST
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Our posts crossed.

I’d love to see someone who truly governs. Someone who will work with the other party and will get down to core business. Break the cycle and take the chance that way even if it cost re-election. I’m worried about the deficit/debt. So no, Beto, Bernie etc don’t fit the bill. Nor does trump.

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#50 Posted: Tue, Mar 26 2019, 8:25 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I hope it gets down to policy. The drone war is something worthy of discussion. When did it end? Not being sarcastic just don’t know.


I doubt it ended... the guy who's now in charge of them just doesn't pretend to love peace... Or brown people...
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