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A Muslim 9/11 celebration
jjohnson28 Offline
#1 Posted:
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Borrowed from another board.



Anybody else enraged?



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?x
ml=/news/2002/09/08/nextre08.xml



London to host Islamic 'celebration' of Sept 11
By Thair Shaikh
(Filed: 08/09/2002)




Extremist muslim clerics will meet in London on September 11 to celebrate the anniversary of al-Qaeda's attacks on America and to launch an organisation for Islamic militants.




The conference, which will be attended by the most radical mullahs in Britain, will argue that the atrocities were justified because Muslims must defend themselves against armed aggression.




It will launch the Islamic Council of Britain (ICB), which will aim to implement sharia law in Britain and will welcome al-Qa'eda sympathisers as members.




Sheikh Mohammed
The conference, to be held at Finsbury Park mosque, north London, will be attended by followers of militant groups and chaired by their Muslim leaders, including Omar Bakri Mohammed, whose al-Muhajiroun group wants to establish a worldwide Islamic state.




Mr Mohammed, 44, who was born in Syria and lives in London, has been investigated by Scotland Yard's anti-terrorist squad for anti-semitic statements.




He said: "The people at this conference look at September 11 like a battle, as a great achievement by the mujahideen against the evil superpower.




A poster advertising the conference
"I never praised September 11 after it happened but now I can see why they did it."




Mr Mohammed, who is entitled to stay in Britain although his 1980s claim for asylum failed, said that he would not stop al-Qa'eda members from joining the ICB.




He said: "We don't perceive them as the US perceives them; we see them as a sincere devoted people who stood firm against the invasion of a Muslim country."




The clerics claim that the ICB is funded by Saudi-based businessmen, which, if true, will embarrass Saudi Arabia.




The Riyadh government expelled Mr Mohammed in 1986 and recently launched a multi-million-dollar public relations campaign to persuade America that it is rooting out Islamic militants.




Al-Muhajiroun claims to have secured a six-figure sum for funding the ICB and said it would build a dozen Islamic centres, launch a website and hold seminars and classes for Muslims.




Mr Mohammed said: "I believe the Muslim Council of Britain has sold out to the British Government. Many Muslims in Britain feel like this.




"We have been working on getting the funding for six months: it is from a group of Saudi businessmen. Please don't write about this. I am against the killing of innocent people; we are not at war with anybody in this country."




Abu Hamza al-Masri, a cleric at the Finsbury Park mosque, will be co-chairing the conference. Several suspected al-Qa'eda members have been linked to his group, Supporters of Sharia, and the FBI is seeking his extradition for allegedly trying to set up a terrorist training camp in America.




Mr al-Masri, an Egyptian who lost both hands and an eye while fighting in Afghanistan against the Soviet occupation, is also wanted in Yemen on terrorist charges.




Radical Muslims speaking at the conference include Yasser al-Siri, 40, an Egyptian-born dissident who arrived in Britain in 1993 and claimed political asylum.




He was released from custody in July after extradition proceedings by America were dropped because of insufficient evidence. Mr al-Siri has been sentenced to death in Egypt for a bombing that killed a 12-year-old girl.




Imran Waheed, the British representative of Hizb ut-Tahrir (Islamic Liberation Party), a group banned in a number of Muslim countries, and Anjem Choudary, a British-born solicitor who is chairman of the Society of Muslim Lawyers and a leader of al-Muhajiroun, will also attend.




jjohnson28 Offline
#2 Posted:
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Hmmmmm try this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/09/08/nextre08.xml
eleltea Offline
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It pleases Allah when a Jew or infidel is killed. This is repeated in the Q'uran many times. Nice, peaceful religion.
xibbumbero Offline
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If allah condones this sort of stuff,then he/she can kiss my butt! X
Charlie Offline
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Too bad it is in London or I would say drop a fu--ing bomb on the place and get rid of more Terrorist Trash!

Charlie
sammydaddy Offline
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Or maybe we should pitch in, buy an airplane and fly it into whatever establishment would lower themselves to allowing such a conference. THEY CANNOT BE HUMAN!
tailgater Offline
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Just don't allude to the wadded ball of bed linen atop their cranium, for hell hath no fury like a PC liberal scorned!
Charlie Offline
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Well I bet that everyone of the Trashy, flea infested, hate mongering "Muslims" will be wearing some kind of cloth on the top of their heads!

Charlie
Charlie Offline
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Did anybody see this group of Muslem clerics, etc that met in London? A celebration of 9/11 by the "Holy Men"...give me a break!!!! Charlie
xrundog Offline
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Hey eleltea, I am reading the Quran (and a tough read it is) and I have yet to see anything like you referenced. It asks for tolerance repeatedly in fact. The fundamentalist Muslims no doubt feel what you say is true though. Are fundamentalist Christians who kill abortion doctors much different philosophically? I am not defending the bad guys. My point is: not all Muslims are bad guys.
tailgater Offline
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The murderers who kill abortion doctors just happen to be Fundamentalist Christians.
The Murderers who destroyed 3000 families don't "just happen" to be Muslim. It is the crux from which their hatred grows.
Don't fall into the trap of trying to simplify your point, lest you become simple yourself.
xrundog Offline
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Tailgater, fundamental Christianity is the crux from which the hatred of abortion doctors grows. The comparison is valid. The main difference is a matter of scale. My point was simple but valid. You did not refute it. You merely belittled it. Though many people would like you to believe it, it's not the same thing. Yes the fundamental Muslims are evil bastards who must be stopped. Some other Muslims defend them. It's the O.J. syndrome.
tailgater Offline
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When humans do things that they know are wrong, they usually try to justify it, coax others to join, or both.
Drug use is a prime example.
So too is the killing of doctors who perform abortions and Muslims who kill Americans.
The difference isn't the scale of their acts, it is the selling job. A large percentage of the Muslims believe that the Quran justifies the Jihad against America. Only a tiny percentage of Fundamentalist Christians believe the abortionists deserve to be murdered.
Comparing the two denies each their relevance in the scheme of things.
But your analogy brings up another point: Other Christian groups have been vocally against the hypocritical violence at abortion clinics. I've not yet heard such a backlash from other Islamic denominations. Their silence speaks volumes.
xrundog Offline
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That is a good point. But the majority of middle eastern Muslims are ignorant hicks who believe what they are told is truth. The ruling classes have an agenda to keep them that way. Muslims here, to a large degree, have a different attitude. But they are careful of being vocal for fear of violence against them. Christianity and Islam are of course very different. But the fundamentalist sects of both are similar in many ways.
jjohnson28 Offline
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"But the majority of middle eastern Muslims are ignorant hicks who believe what they are told is truth. The ruling classes have an agenda to keep them that way."

Hmmmmmm? Sure sounds a whole lot like the Democartic Party,dosen't it?


xrundog Offline
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Whichever party you belong to, it sounds like the other one.
jjohnson28 Offline
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You may have a point xrundog but you can't ignore the fact that the Democrats are notorious for pandering to the lowest common denominator...Jimbo
xrundog Offline
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Yes that is true. It depends a lot on who currently holds the whitehouse. Daschle is one of the worst in recent memory. He and his cronies are so smug and righteous. He turns my stomach! He is largely responsible for my recent "turning green" thread.
eleltea Offline
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The problem is xrun the bad guys are in the same USA mosques with the good guys and you can't tell 'em apart. The good guys do not hand the bad guys over and even deny they exist.

Most of the fundamentalist terrorists are well educated (usually in the sciences) middle class young men who are familiar with the West, as were the 9/11 19. (And of course, Usama was/is very wealthy and very well educated.) The muslim who led Daniel Pearl to his executors was very popular, charming, good looking, soft spoken with flawless Oxfordian English accent.

These guys are smart and exploited our huge investment in diversity and our porous borders and stupid immigration nonenforcement very cleverly. If the holy war starts, better go along with the Marines.
xrundog Offline
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All true enough el. That's why the abhorence to profiling in this case is so ludicrous. If you know the bad guys are Arab Muslims....look for them amongst Arab Muslims. If they were white rednecks we would look in trailer parks! I am not sure I get the Marine reference. I am sometimes slow. Could you clarify?
Charlie Offline
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Profiling is good! Political Correctness is Bad! Profile em, say I and get on with it!

Charlie
eleltea Offline
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It was a chilly reference to a common grunt Marine saying about when the shooting starts: Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out. If it sounds cold, think of Daniel Pearl, the pretty flight attendants and the boxcutters. Cold does not begin to describe the animals who have declared jihad against us.
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"You may have a point xrundog, but you can't ignore the fact that the Democrats are notorious for pandering to the lowest common denominator ..." Jimbo

JJ ... your statements are no better than Rickamaven's, but in the opposite extreme. You seem to forget that without our freedom of choice, our contry would be nothing more than fascism.
jjohnson28 Offline
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Slimboli,so tell me, what part of this statement has anything whatever to do with your right to choose to vote for whomever you want. Simply stating the facts Slim.
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