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Missouri to become a sanctuary state?
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Missouri police will be barred from enforcing federal gun laws that regulate weapons registration, tracking and possession of firearms by some domestic violence offenders under a bill Gov. Mike Parson, a former sheriff, announced Thursday he will sign into law.

Passage of the “Second Amendment Preservation Act” represents a victory for conservatives who have pushed the legislation for nearly a decade and picked up new momentum this year by responding to the Biden administration’s vows to enact stricter gun control.

It’s been met by outrage and alarm from Democrats and gun control advocates, who have slammed the measure as dangerous in a state with such high rates of gun violence. Missouri had the nation’s third-highest per-capita rate of gun deaths in 2020.

In particular, gun control advocates have focused on what they call the “domestic violence loophole” that the legislation would solidify. Federal law prohibits gun possession for those convicted of domestic violence misdemeanors, but when Missouri passed a permitless concealed carry law in 2016, sheriffs were no longer conducting background checks.

Under the Second Amendment Preservation Act, that federal limitation is one of many gun laws that would be declared “invalid” in the state. Missouri law only prohibits felons and fugitives from having guns.

Critics have questioned the legality of “nullifying” federal laws, pointing to the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause. But proponents of the bill have brushed it off.

“We’re just simply saying we’re not going to lift a finger to enforce their rules,” state Sen. Eric Burlison, a Battlefield Republican, said last month.

Parson’s spokeswoman Kelli Jones wrote in a statement, “The Governor is aware of the legal implications of this bill, but also that, now more than ever, we must define a limited role for federal government in order to protect citizen’s rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution.”

“This is about empowering people to protect themselves and acknowledging the federalist constitutional structure of our government,” she said.

The governor will sign the bill in a Saturday ceremony at Frontier Justice, a Lee’s Summit shooting range where Missouri Congresswoman Vicky Hartzler declared her candidacy for U.S. Senate Thursday, promising to keep the seat in conservative hands.

Parson made a campaign stop at the range in 2020.

“We are doing this bill because the Second Amendment is under attack. It’s under attack by the Democrats, specifically the Biden administration and the Democrats in Washington,” said Rep. Jered Taylor, a Republic Republican who sponsored the bill, when it passed in May.

The Missouri chapter of the gun control advocacy group Moms Demand Action called Parson’s support “unbelievably frustrating.”

“This bill has no benefit, and will interfere with the enforcement of the critical protections that help keep Missourians safe from gun violence,” volunteer Tara Bennett said in a statement. “There is no doubt this bill should not become law.”

The legislation will bar local police from assisting federal agents in enforcing laws declared “invalid” and prohibit them from hiring former federal agents who had enforced them. There would be exceptions for cases in which the federal agents are enforcing gun restrictions that also exist in Missouri law.

If a local police department enforces one of the targeted federal laws and the subject believes their Second Amendment rights were violated, that person could sue the department for $50,000.

The measures drew concern from the Missouri Sheriff’s Association, which said its members could be hampered in partnerships with federal agents in drug or human-trafficking investigations that involve illegal firearms. And the legislation won’t prevent federal agents from enforcing gun laws in Missouri, executive director Kevin Merritt has pointed out.

Nevertheless, members of the association appeared with state Senators in May celebrating the bill’s passage.

About a dozen states have pursued similar measures and Arizona passed its own bill earlier this year. Biden has issued executive orders tightening regulation of homemade “ghost guns,” which lack serial numbers, and a device that allows a pistol to operate more like a rifle.

His administration has also encouraged states to adopt “red flag” laws that allow families or police to ask judges to temporarily confiscate guns from people who demonstrate “extreme risks” to themselves or others. The idea has gained little traction in Missouri.

The Second Amendment Preservation Act has been introduced in Missouri since 2013, when lawmakers narrowly failed to override a veto from then-Gov. Jay Nixon, a Democrat.

Democrats this year sought to attack Republicans for the legislation’s restrictions on the powers of local police departments, but support among Republicans was overwhelming. It passed the House 111-42 and the Senate 22-10.
Speyside Offline
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Makes ya proud to be an American, doesn't it. Murder Incorporated ain't just Jersey anymore. Well Dorothy you aren't in Kansas either. Ray Ray will be around shortly to explain the greatness of this.
teedubbya Offline
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Meh I look at it like marijuana and immigration. We tend to support ignoring enforcement of federal law when it’s something we support (or oppose).

The republicans are all tittie twisted about cities or states not enforcing immigration law (republicans for strong central government) but not so much about gun laws. Dems same deal. Rinse and repeat. Yet many in here are not honest enough or smart enough to see they are the same and part of the problem. It’s a game.

Mj is not legal. Some states are merely ignoring fed law and taking no action to help feds do so. At any time the feds can arrest mj users in Cali just like they can illegals. The fox/OANN crowd (some who play with weed) get wood over the immigration sanctuary cities while excusing or ignoring their own actions.
teedubbya Offline
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For the record I’m pretty much ok with states not enforcing fed laws in general. Immigration, weed, guns etc. but then again I’m a RINO..... the current Republican Party wants a stronger fed just like the dems. When it is convenient.

Zrx can point out my hypocrisy on the Bundy situation and he’d be right. The only real distinction is I’m ok with feds supporting fed law or even states enforcing fed law. Change the fed law if you don’t like it. I just don’t find it to be a states obligation to do so or a necessity to dedicate state or local resources to do so. Even if it’s about the immigration boogie man.
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teedubbya wrote:
For the record I’m pretty much ok with states not enforcing fed laws in general. Immigration, weed, guns etc. but then again I’m a RINO..... the current Republican Party wants a stronger fed just like the dems. When it is convenient.
...and you're a stoner...
teedubbya Offline
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I was for for about 15-20 years, then wasn’t for another15-20 years, then well ok then
teedubbya Offline
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Sanctuary cities sanctuary cities boo hoo hooo. Cut off all fed funding y’all. It’s the only sane rational position.
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Hey, it's cool, I'm not judging. Vice pays my bills.

teedubbya Offline
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I will neither confirm or deny any accusations in this thread. But a bag of Cheetos sure would hit the spot about now.
Speyside Offline
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Dude, I quit because it was 2 pounds of hamburgers and a pint of ice cream.
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Missouri sanctuary is that like having PURGE every night, like on the telly.📺
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Speyside wrote:
Makes ya proud to be an American, doesn't it. Murder Incorporated ain't just Jersey anymore. Well Dorothy you aren't in Kansas either. Ray Ray will be around shortly to explain the greatness of this.


Spey, I'm tired of you telling me Jefferson was your hero but you are not a Jeffersonian. Jefferson didn't even like the Constitution as it was ratified, it gave too much leverage for the general government to abuse. You really need to stop reading leftist comic books, they rot your brain.
The Constitution gives no authority to the leftist lizard people to regulate or confiscate guns. Missouri is doing its duty as a sovereign state by nullifying unconstitutional federal intrusions into its sovereignty, and Jefferson would be proud. Jefferson wrote the book on state interposition (nullification) as the remedy for the dicktates of federal dicktators, but you probably don't know that of your hero. Unless you got him confused with George Jefferson.

The subject is timely, Dr. Brion McClannahan just went over another case where some conservatives show they don't understand the Constitution either.

A 2nd Amendment Screw Up
https://youtu.be/bCFrKlgvWug






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TW said Jefferson's dictates good... Mellow
Speyside Offline
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Stop using words I never said, I have only ever said he is a hero of mine. The concept of Jeffersonian is a bastardization of who Jefferson was. I am not, nor ever will be Jeffersonian. I leave that for idiots like you.
teedubbya Offline
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Anyone else think Weezie was hot?
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Speyside wrote:
Stop using words I never said, I have only ever said he is a hero of mine. The concept of Jeffersonian is a bastardization of who Jefferson was. I am not, nor ever will be Jeffersonian. I leave that for idiots like you.


Makes sense to me, Jefferson is your hero but you hate Jefferson's ideas.Brick wall
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Missouri should send their bill to Pennsylvania and we should pass it too.
RayR Offline
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Missouri should send their bill to Pennsylvania and we should pass it too.


Jefferson would say, make it so.
Speyside Offline
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There you go again with your ignorance. Jefferson is one of my heroes because of his brilliance and ability to think critically. Some of what he thought I disagree with. People that call themselves Jeffersonian are wack jobs like you who interpret his writings to mean exactly what they want them to.
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teedubbya wrote:
Anyone else think Weezie was hot?


Well, She's movin' on up....Anxious
RayR Offline
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Speyside wrote:
There you go again with your ignorance. Jefferson is one of my heroes because of his brilliance and ability to think critically. Some of what he thought I disagree with. People that call themselves Jeffersonian are wack jobs like you who interpret his writings to mean exactly what they want them to.


So where did you go wrong?
I'm starting to believe that you think Jefferson wasn't Jeffersonian.

It was just Thomas Jefferson week on the Tom Woods Show, discussions with historians Brion McClanahan and Marco Bassani.
Perhaps you can tell these professors what their wrongthink is.

https://youtu.be/277DPa-Y5Ek
https://youtu.be/aZVU0-P9-nY
https://youtu.be/sc0OgCu2prM
https://youtu.be/ai-PLqGMtJY
https://youtu.be/m6Uu06sTZeE



bgz Offline
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One thing I'll give RayRay... he has his opinions on the discipline of civics, and he'll go far and wide to find pieces to validate his positions.
Speyside Offline
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True dat.
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So it’s twisted to expect the federal government to do something that’s actually within their enumerated powers?

I mean it’s not hypocritical like suing a state (AZ) that decided to do the federal governments job that they refused to do. Then turning around and being ok with overlooking MJ laws…..or more specifically CLAIMING states rights when the federal executive attempts to clamp down on sanctuary cities.

RepubliCANTS are hypocrites. DemocRATs are lower than whale 💩 hypocrites.

BTW don’t forget you all:


https://www.firearmspolicy.org/save-the-braces


https://www.firearmspolicy.org/fight-atf-receiver-rule

https://oneclickpolitics.global.ssl.fastly.net/messages/edit?promo_id=12963
RayR Offline
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bgz wrote:
One thing I'll give RayRay... he has his opinions on the disciplin of civics, and he'll go far and wide to find pieces to validate his positions.


You spelled discipline wrong.

I don't have to go far and wide, I'm in a constant state of learning and can pull truth up at the drop of a hat.
Not like some of you progressive neanderthals out there who just grunt when faced with hard questions, thinking, and stuff.

bgz Offline
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Damn... caught one of whats undoubtedly a uge number erros I made when type...

I actually go back and proofwread them after I post them, gives peep hole chance ti catch before I di sometimes.

Oh sh*t, it's contagios!!!!
ZRX1200 Offline
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Your keyboard is HIGH AF bro.
bgz Offline
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IKR, it's fire!

There's more folks, I'll probably be on the vherf all night!
bgz Offline
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Anyone ever do that?

Respond to a message, accidentally put your fingers on the wrong keys and it comes out:

a ;ott;e sp,etjomg ;ole tjos///

you know what I mean?

Then you'll be like... ooops... and have to go back and edit it.
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I say **** it, Jonsie thinks it’s code and Spey will actually read it and tell everyone it’s a mix of Aramaic and Sandstone read from a rune.

You’ll laugh.

I’ll laugh.

We’ll have a good time.
teedubbya Offline
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I think the feds can and do what’s in their powers including suing if that’s one of them. Same for states. As for the intersection I think you can read my thoughts on that above. I’m just not in to the hyperbole when it’s my issue and silence when it’s not.
bgz Offline
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I pretty much agree with TDub on this based simply on budgetary reasons. You want it enforced? Do it yourself.

teedubbya Offline
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bgz wrote:
I pretty much agree with TDub on this based simply on budgetary reasons. You want it enforced? Do it yourself.




And states deciding to do more than the feds want based on their own assessment or view don’t impress me much either. That’s a shell game. A political con game.
teedubbya Offline
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This one is heating up. Fasten your seat belts.

It is fun to watch each side make the same argument against something they either agree with or disagree with. Hyppopotomouscrypts all.
Speyside Offline
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You read Aramaic and Sandstone? Interesting. I can't read read either, plus I can't read Sanscrite. Can you read Limestone or Granite?
Speyside Offline
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Oh, BTW, thanks for all your entertainment. I always laugh at what you post.
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What, no biblical commentary by dg on Spey's analysis of the runes.

And I did laugh after reading # 30.
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Article VI
Clause 2
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

This Missouri law is unconstitutional and will eventually be found as such.
RayR Offline
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Speyside wrote:
Article VI
Clause 2
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

This Missouri law is unconstitutional and will eventually be found as such.


The 2nd Amendment reads:
“A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

Since the free states were the parties to the Constitution and the constitution was written to define what powers they would assign to the general government and what they would not, it's awfully clear that they gave no authority to the general government to in any way to infringe on the right to keep and bear Arms.
The free states however maintained full authority in that area, so they could regulate firearms within their state as long as they didn't violate their own constitutions.

So explain to me how the Congress, the Senate, the President, or the Supreme Court has any authority to regulate firearms and make it the "supreme Law of the Land" and why the states have no right to nullify unconstitutional laws.

Your hero Jefferson would smack you silly.Frying pan




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Anyone catch the chicken 💩 resign over this?

What a beta
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LMAO! You wouldn't know an alpha if one bit your azz. You really do have a problem with people standing for what they believe if it isn't what you believe. You talk a good game about personal freedom, then your real pov comes out. Such a hypocrite.
RayR Offline
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I don't care what you believe, GET OFF MY LAWN! Frying pan

Jefferson said that.
teedubbya Offline
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https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/missouri/articles/2021-06-19/suburban-st-louis-police-chief-resigns-over-new-gun-law
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Self preservation is a valid reason imo.
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