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California Released Concealed Carry Database
HockeyDad Offline
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“The California Department of Justice’s 2022 Firearms Dashboard Portal went live on Monday with publicly-accessible files that include identifying information for those who have concealed carry permits. The leaked information includes the person’s full name, race, home address, date of birth, and date their permit was issued. The data also shows the type of permit issued, indicating if the permit holder is a member of law enforcement or a judge.”

The site is now down are they are looking into it.

https://openjustice.doj.ca.gov/data-stories/firearms-data-portal
Speyside2 Offline
#2 Posted:
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Evil is found in many forms. I'm thinking for a while a bit of paranoia would be useful for concealed carry permit holders, though paranoia really is not the right word. Their threat of imminent harm has increased. I have guys who are great at security who are not security guards. You want I should loan you a few?
HockeyDad Offline
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It doesn’t affect me. My county does not issue concealed carry permits. It would be interesting to see how many CCW exist for my county.

Our state law on CCW is unconstitutional like the one struck down in New York.
HockeyDad Offline
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LOS ANGELES — A data breach has exposed the personal information of every person with a California permit to carry a concealed weapon, authorities said Tuesday.

The California Department of Justice suffered the breach as part of the launch of its 2022 Firearms Dashboard Portal, according to the Fresno County Sheriff's Office, which said it was informed of the leak Tuesday by the California State Sheriffs' Association.

"This public site allows access to certain information, however, personal information of concealed carry weapon permit holders is not supposed to be visible," the Sheriff's Office said in a statement. "This includes, but is not limited to a person's name, age, address, Criminal Identification Index number and license type (Standard, Judicial, Reserve and Custodial)."

The breach affects all concealed weapons permit holders in California, the Sheriff's Office said.

Justice Department officials pulled down the dashboard site along with all related links after learning of the breach, but it is possible that some private information was posted elsewhere online.

"It is unknown exactly how much time the information was accessible," the Sheriff's Office said.

California Atty. Gen. Rob Bonta's office told law enforcement it is "working with urgency" to determine the breach's scope and plans to contact permit holders to directly advise them.

Bonta's office will institute a program to mitigate harm or damages that permit holders suffer as a result of the breach, according to the Sheriff's Office.

"We are investigating an exposure of individuals' personal information connected to the DOJ Firearms Dashboard," the attorney general's office said in a statement. "Any unauthorized release of personal information is unacceptable. We are working swiftly to address this situation and will provide additional information as soon as possible."
Mr. Jones Offline
#5 Posted:
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I blame HOCKEYDAD...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#6 Posted:
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Might have a case there...
MACS Offline
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Mine expired in 2017, IIRC.
Mr. Jones Offline
#8 Posted:
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Your name was THE FIRST ONE ON THE RELEASED LISTING
BECAUSE your a California deserter...
8trackdisco Offline
#9 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
It doesn’t affect me. My county does not issue concealed carry permits. It would be interesting to see how many CCW exist for my county.


That is the reason for the zero crime numbers.
ZRX1200 Offline
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It was accessible for 24 hours, Bonta is lower than whale ****e and belongs in jail.
Speyside2 Offline
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Whoever breached/released that data has no shame, or decency.
Speyside2 Offline
#12 Posted:
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I wonder what laws are in place if any to cover this.
ZRX1200 Offline
#13 Posted:
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LMAO you think they’re going to prosecute him?!!!

Do you not understand that at least a 1/3 of the country is at war?
Sunoverbeach Offline
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Class action civil suit maybe?
Whistlebritches Offline
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Why I love Texas..........CC no permit, no data base.
MACS Offline
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Whistlebritches wrote:
Why I love Texas..........CC no permit, no data base.


Really? So I can pack in AZ and TX on my way across? I mean legally... I'll be packing regardless. My truck will be my home on wheels, essentially.
Whistlebritches Offline
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MACS wrote:
Really? So I can pack in AZ and TX on my way across? I mean legally... I'll be packing regardless. My truck will be my home on wheels, essentially.



Yes sir........the travelers law is still on the books.That doesn't mean you can carry on your person but in a concealed compartment in your vehicle within hands reach is legal in Texas
Speyside2 Offline
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Z, you have feared that the government will confiscate your guns for a long time. This is a reasonable assumption. I am guessing here about 100 million Americans feel the same way. If you look at federal I do think the federal government is ready to try to take your guns away. They just passed that new law that allocates 157 million to confiscate the guns of people who are a danger to themselves and others. 100 million is roughly 1/3 of the country. So yes, 1/3 of the country is already at war.

I like how you see reality so clearly. I tend to dismiss conspiracy theories ad the ideas of people who are looking for something that is not there. You cut directly to the heart of the matter. I think this is because you are less gullible than I am. I on the other hand need solid verifiable facts. I try to believe people and our government are honest, until proven otherwise. You easily , simply see through lies.
BuckyB93 Offline
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Speyside2 wrote:
I wonder what laws are in place if any to cover this.


At the federal level it would be the Privacy Act of 1974 (https://www.justice.gov/archives/opcl/policy-objectives).

Shortly after this was put into place at the federal level, states passed their own laws to mirror this one. For CA it would be the Information Practices Act of 1977 (https://www.ftb.ca.gov/tax-pros/procedures/disclosure-manual-4000-information-practices-act.html).

I'm not a lawyer but a couple classes I've had to take recently for cybersecuity had us learn about the various laws relating to the legal and ethical requirements for the collection, maintenance, storage and protection of sensitive and personal information.

I wouldn't think this incident was intentional but it's clear that they didn't have a appropriate safeguards in place to prevent it.

HockeyDad wrote:
“The California Department of Justice’s 2022 Firearms Dashboard Portal went live on Monday with publicly-accessible files that include identifying information for those who have concealed carry permits. The leaked information includes the person’s full name, race, home address, date of birth, and date their permit was issued. The data also shows the type of permit issued, indicating if the permit holder is a member of law enforcement or a judge.”


All of this information is considered Personally Identifiable Information per the US General Services Administration and most other government departments with NIST establishing the standards. (https://csrc.nist.gov/glossary/term/PII).

"- Personally Identifiable Information; Any representation of information that permits the identity of an individual to whom the information applies to be reasonably inferred by either direct or indirect means.
- Any information about an individual maintained by an agency, including (1) any information that can be used to distinguish or trace an individual’s identity, such as name, social security number, date and place of birth, mother‘s maiden name, or biometric records; and (2) any other information that is linked or linkable to an individual, such as medical, educational, financial, and employment information.
- Any information about an individual that can be used to distinguish or trace an individual's identify and any other information that is linked or linkable to an individual.
- Information which can be used to distinguish or trace the identity of an individual (e.g., name, social security number, biometric records, etc.) alone, or when combined with other personal or identifying information which is linked or linkable to a specific individual (e.g., date and place of birth, mother’s maiden name, etc.)."


There are strict rules and laws on how agencies must handle and protect this information from being released.

Someone really screwed the pooch on this data breach.

NINE! teen
ZRX1200 Offline
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Bucky I don’t know what you mean by data breach, they Cal DOJ happened to “update” the system and made this info readily available. When I read breach it has a connotation that it was nefariously taken, where here it was readily given away and Bonta the POS waited 48 before even acknowledging that it happened.
Brewha Offline
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I hear they are going to subpoena the Ginsu buyers list - Hide those steak knives, cause Biden’s a common for ‘em !
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I think you're missing the point, Brew. While confiscation is definitely a concern with a registry, blatant and possibly intentional recklessness with this information puts hundreds of judges and thousands of police/government workers at risk of retribution from people who feel they've been wronged. Additionally it made available a shopping list for any criminal looking to add to their personal arsenal.
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
I think you're missing the point, Brew. While confiscation is definitely a concern with a registry, blatant and possibly intentional recklessness with this information puts hundreds of judges and thousands of police/government workers at risk of retribution from people who feel they've been wronged. Additionally it made available a shopping list for any criminal looking to add to their personal arsenal.


Brew is having a party.............responsible gun owners should be stripped of any gun ownership rights while thugs would and should rule the street,Liberal Nirvana
bgz Offline
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This is an interesting thread... only because of the general lack of discord...

I suggest we go back to something where tension levels are a little more familiar... like an abortion thread.

This one is just a little too tame for comfort...
ZRX1200 Offline
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SCREW YOU BEN!!!!

better?
bgz Offline
#26 Posted:
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Ya, thanks Jamie!

I feel better now.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Anytime buddy.
BuckyB93 Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Bucky I don’t know what you mean by data breach, they Cal DOJ happened to “update” the system and made this info readily available. When I read breach it has a connotation that it was nefariously taken, where here it was readily given away and Bonta the POS waited 48 before even acknowledging that it happened.



What I meant by "data breach" doesn't necessarily mean that it was caused by an external attack but more of a gap in the data security defense. A breach can come from behind the walls of your defenses like leaving a door open to the database, network, oversight or flaws in the system.

Maybe a better word would have been exposure.
HockeyDad Offline
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The better word is probably just “released”!

We also have a statewide database for all handguns. I wonder when we’ll release that one.
BuckyB93 Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
The better word is probably just “released”!

We also have a statewide database for all handguns. I wonder when we’ll release that one.


Yeah but, "released" kinda means it was intentional. Not knowing the situation, I can't take it to that level. I'm guessing it was an oversight and not intentional.

With that said, intentional or not doesn't make it right. They failed on keeping personal information that they collected secure and in doing so violated many security laws both at the state level and the federal level which should be investigated and dealt with appropriately.

I won't hold my breath, though. They'll do a thorough investigation and do a press release on page 85 of the newspaper (right next to the Ann Landers letters but before the obituaries) that says "Ooopsie" and then they fire a low level web designer dude or an intern to show they are serious and mean business.
HockeyDad Offline
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I apply the “California factor”. We hate guns. We hate the 2nd amendment. We even hate cops. Our urban counties pretty much refuse to issue concealed carry permits.

Kinda smells like the Roe versus Wade leak.
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Brewha wrote:
I hear they are going to subpoena the Ginsu buyers list - Hide those steak knives, cause Biden’s a common for ‘em !



May as well, no one can afford steak.

Pretty soon Brandon will be coming for your forks.
BuckyB93 Offline
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Can we set up a bunch of deep level charges at the San Andreas Fault and cast of CA to float way into the ocean? We could really use some terraforming at that end of the country.

Maybe just let them secede from the union so they can become a third world country on their own.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Bro if it could be done I’ve already dreamed it.

Sincerely,
The Don’t Move North to Oregon Commitee
(Except LE Hockey Dad and Delta1)
HockeyDad Offline
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Can we set up a bunch of deep level charges at the San Andreas Fault and cast of CA to float way into the ocean? We could really use some terraforming at that end of the country.

Maybe just let them secede from the union so they can become a third world country on their own.


We’ve already rigged the fault line. If it goes the entire continental US sinks into the ocean!
ZRX1200 Offline
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No. Drafter stayed in Wonder once so I’m pretty sure him staying the night nailed our topography down pretty good. We called it the Oklahoma Tent Stake Affect.
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