I got into this debate once before and got chewed on pretty good by at least one of the FOG's (course, I'm pretty much an FOG myself!and as such, feel the right to be opinionated! LOL) I think that to yourself, it's really a subjective thing, but when you get to trading, and swapping cigars, you have to have a yardstick that everybody can agree on, To wit: if sombody thinks that the very DEFINITION of premium is their second favorite cigar, Bad Frogs, and the best SUPER PREMIUM is a Lone Wolf, and say gifted Penzt8 with a generous bomb of their favorites, they may be dissappointed at the level of gratitude expressed. Some on here may think Opus X's are overrated, but would never fail to express gratitude and appreciation at receiving such an expensive and hard to get cigar. I have had PAM's and they ARE great! But I like La Aurora Preferidos better! Same price range, unless you get into the Tubos then the Preferidos go through the roof! At $17.50 ea. at my local, I know if I send someone a red perfecto shaped tube in a package of gars, I'm going to get attention! :) But like Hensed told you, the REAL fun of this hobby is finding those two dollar cigars that fit your flavor profile to a tee! At the risk of temporarily driving the bidding up on them, try the Free Cubas sometime! They can be had for around a buck apiece! not bad at all! Same can be said for the Sacubas! (milder though) When I'm gifting cigars to someone, or trading, I like to establish what I'm going to send, and then add a few less than premium sticks that I think they may enjoy! If someone gifts me, I like seeing the old favorites, but a jewel that I can afford to buy a box of without taking out a loan is a good thing too! :) Have fun with it! there's no other reason to be here!