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LEFTIES are ecstatic to discover the 1st LGBTQ first lady in US history!
RayR Offline
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Even though they hate her brother, that anti-progressive Jeffersonian Democrat President.Cursing

Thanks to an old government rule, Rose Cleveland became the first LGBTQ first lady when her unmarried brother was president

Story by [email protected] (Talia Lakritz)

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Before he was married, President Grover Cleveland's sister Rose served as first lady for 15 months.

Rose had a romantic relationship with Evangeline Marrs Whipple, a widow and philanthropist.

The two women met in 1889, lived together in Italy, and are buried next to each other.

President Grover Cleveland became the first and only president to marry in the White House when he wed Frances Folsom in 1886. But for the first 15 months of his presidency, he was a bachelor.

White House protocol dictated that a female relative should serve as first lady for an unmarried or widowed president so, when Cleveland took office in 1885, his younger sister, 38-year-old Rose Elizabeth Cleveland, filled the role.

She went on to sustain a decades-long romantic relationship with Evangeline Marrs Whipple, a widow and philanthropist, making her the first LGBTQ first lady in US history.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/thanks-to-an-old-government-rule-rose-cleveland-became-the-first-lgbtq-first-lady-when-her-unmarried-brother-was-president/ar-AA17I0CR?
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imagine how brave she must have been.

thanks for reminding everyone that the smallest minority needs the protections of our freedoms the most
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frankj1 wrote:
imagine how brave she must have been.

thanks for reminding everyone that the smallest minority needs the protections of our freedoms the most


The term is brave and courageous but by today’s standards she should have cut something off.
RayR Offline
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I heard they kept her in a closet for 15 months.
frankj1 Offline
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unwittingly/dim wittingly making my point?
JGKAMIN Offline
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She may have been the first, but Eleanor Roosevelt and Hillary made sure she wasn’t the last.
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JGKAMIN wrote:
She may have been the first, but Eleanor Roosevelt and Hillary made sure she wasn’t the last.

you just might be right about that.
Is that a problem?
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I met Grover's grandson, George some years ago. A bunch of us had coffee with him and visited the building that was Grover's office when he was an attorney in Buffalo. Nice guy, and very proud of his grandfather. He's still around.
I don't remember any talk about Rose and her sexual proclivities.
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I thought the position of first lady was there just to give a title to the significant other of the president. Now that I'm thinking about it, isn't the title fist Lady, how do I say, not woke? What if one of a same sex couple became president? I guess it works if they're both women but otherwise not so much. Seems like an old custom of idealistic man and women couple. Anyway since there are actual duties tied to the position shouldn't the first lady be elected and not just the significant other of the person holding office? What if the first lady was really ignorant or incapacitated? I guess it's not likely for someone to become president without a strong partner but Grover did it.
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Meanwhile in Ohio...

https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1628805079946956800?s=20
RayR Offline
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PapaWhiskey wrote:
I thought the position of first lady was there just to give a title to the significant other of the president. Now that I'm thinking about it, isn't the title fist Lady, how do I say, not woke? What if one of a same sex couple became president? I guess it works if they're both women but otherwise not so much. Seems like an old custom of idealistic man and women couple. Anyway since there are actual duties tied to the position shouldn't the first lady be elected and not just the significant other of the person holding office? What if the first lady was really ignorant or incapacitated? I guess it's not likely for someone to become president without a strong partner but Grover did it.


Somewhere along the line, the executive branch transformed into an aristocracy headed by a King and his Queen surrounded by their courtiers. There is no place in the Constitution for the position of first lady. The spouse of the President should shut her trap and not speak anything political, maybe just greet visitors, do some cooking, and help the servants with the housework. Whistle

Grover was a badazz, he wouldn't put up with any of that aristocratic nonsense and WOKE chit.
He didn't try to fundamentally transform America, or save the soul of America like some horrible Presidents we have known.
His meteoric rise to President was based primarily on his fame as an enemy of political corruption, both Republican and Democrat, since his days as Mayor of Buffalo and Governor of New York, and as a champion of small government, honest money, and protecting the treasury from thieving scoundrels. He vetoed more unconstitutional legislation than any President in history (584 total; 346 regular, 238 pocket; 7 overridden).

The only President that vetoed more was FDR who was the total opposite of Cleveland, he would veto constitutional legislation and sign unconstitutional legislation as well as expand the powers of the executive branch and the general government as a whole, bringing political corruption and thievery to a new high.
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PapaWhiskey wrote:
I thought the position of first lady was there just to give a title to the significant other of the president. Now that I'm thinking about it, isn't the title fist Lady, how do I say, not woke? What if one of a same sex couple became president? I guess it works if they're both women but otherwise not so much. Seems like an old custom of idealistic man and women couple. Anyway since there are actual duties tied to the position shouldn't the first lady be elected and not just the significant other of the person holding office? What if the first lady was really ignorant or incapacitated? I guess it's not likely for someone to become president without a strong partner but Grover did it.


First Gentleman is the term used for a Male in that position. Not sure how they would handle someone that is transgender but i assume the official policy would be to use whatever term that individual identifies with. Not really sure we will see that in our lifetime but who knows.

Also not sure how someone that identifies as they/them would be addressed but again, not sure it will mater any time soon.


Additionally, while the position does have some traditional roles/responsibilities however it is voluntary. they are not actually required to do anything related to the position. Some do more then others.
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Why is someones sexuality even an issue? What are people so afraid of?
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Freaky deaky debauchery in the Lincoln bedroom of course
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rfenst wrote:
Why is someones sexuality even an issue? What are people so afraid of?


Dude, your LEFTY friends made it an issue.
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frankj1 wrote:
you just might be right about that.
Is that a problem?

You’re the one that seems to have the problem with me making a simple statement. Why?
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my words were "you just might be right about that"...simply agreeing that those two women MAY have been/are gay.

I then asked if that was a problem for you...

Maybe you hate them for it. I don't know.
Maybe you admire what they had to endure to overcome those that do hate them for it. I don't know that either.

But I am curious why you added this (possible) fact to the thread.
I mean, ER has been fairly well established though not proven to have been gay.
I never heard any kind of evidence about Hill though. I've heard it said in the form of an insult, but I tend to accept people they way they were created, so calling her gay doesn't make me dislike her...I dislike her for other human reasons...HA!

So I'm just wondering, what are your thoughts? Why'd it come up?
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Frankie says, "ER has been fairly well established though not proven to have been gay."

I might have acquired pictures Wink
It ain't pretty, I'm just warning you.
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big surprise, you hate.
you also believe that an alien race of lizards spawned Democrats.
You make Tucker look like a lib.
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frankj1 wrote:
my words were "you just might be right about that"...simply agreeing that those two women MAY have been/are gay.

I then asked if that was a problem for you...

Maybe you hate them for it. I don't know.
Maybe you admire what they had to endure to overcome those that do hate them for it. I don't know that either.

But I am curious why you added this (possible) fact to the thread.
I mean, ER has been fairly well established though not proven to have been gay.
I never heard any kind of evidence about Hill though. I've heard it said in the form of an insult, but I tend to accept people they way they were created, so calling her gay doesn't make me dislike her...I dislike her for other human reasons...HA!

So I'm just wondering, what are your thoughts? Why'd it come up?


For something that “has been fairly well established” you really do seem to have a problem with a statement relevant to the OP, and nothing about hate. But keep making that huge leap and taking a simple response and trying to spin it, then giving a 150 word essay that says nothing.
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You asked why he asked. He explained why he asked. While "hate" was included in a sentence as a possible driver, "admire" was the option of the following sentence. Where's the spin? Seems as or more rational than 98.2% of the posts in any political "discussion"
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
You asked why he asked. He explained why he asked. While "hate" was included in a sentence as a possible driver, "admire" was the option of the following sentence. Where's the spin? Seems as or more rational than 98.2% of the posts in any political "discussion"

Is it normal to follow up a statement on topic that requires no follow-up with “is that a problem?” I asked why he asked and proved my point, more about his unnecessary response than my statement.
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JGKAMIN wrote:
Is it normal to follow up a statement on topic that requires no follow-up with “is that a problem?” I asked why he asked and proved my point, more about his unnecessary response than my statement.

Woke question?
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I love lesbians, as long as they are hot.
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Well, the question could be taken at a variety of levels from straightforward to challenging and accusatory. The reader's own emotions and experiences may impart intent in a statement that was never intended. Or they may be dead on accurate. Hard to say, but often people take their assumptions and resulting conclusions as gospel ans dig in for a fight. Thus is the problem with political "disourse" IMO.

As to unnecessary statements and follow-ups being normal? Dude, welcome to Cbid. Hope you enjoy your stay
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Well, the question could be taken at a variety of levels from straightforward to challenging and accusatory. The reader's own emotions and experiences may impart intent in a statement that was never intended. Or they may be dead on accurate. Hard to say, but often people take their assumptions and resulting conclusions as gospel ans dig in for a fight. Thus is the problem with political "disourse" IMO.

As to unnecessary statements and follow-ups being normal? Dude, welcome to Cbid. Hope you enjoy your stay

Thanks dude, I appreciate you welcoming me to a forum I’ve been around 6 years longer than you. I think it’s time you go back to responding to threads you’re not involved in with unnecessary stupid jokes instead of unnecessary stupid responses to discussions not directed to you. Herfing
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Holy chit! You've been here longer than me?!?!? Well color me unfit to apply for work at an Ohio pizza place.

I went for a touch less subtlety this time than my previous post, but in the event it's still flying right over your head Sarcasm

Kind of proves my statement on reading intent into what's posted though, don't it?
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