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People Need to start reading their Constitution!!!
RiverRatRuss Offline
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People Need to start reading their Constitution!!!

“From whence shall we expect the approach of danger? Shall some trans-Atlantic military giant step the earth and crush us at a blow? Never. All the armies of Europe and Asia...could not by force take a drink from the Ohio River or make a track on the Blue Ridge in the trial of a thousand years. No, if destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of free men we will live forever or die by suicide.”

In a January 1838 speech to a group in Springfield, Illinois, Lincoln stated: "At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad.

Abraham Lincoln Quotes. Quotes about: We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.

https://tinyurl.com/52u4mvsf
RayR Offline
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Russ, just some constructive criticism...

It is clear that by looking over the actions of the branches of the government over a long period of time, nobody really believes or wants to understand what those words in the Constitution mean, at least most of the time. After all, those words that define the limits of political power in the general government and the rights of the states and the people get in the way of the nationalist authoritarian agenda.

Second, if you want people to read the Constitution that's all well and good, understanding those words in the Constitution is another matter which takes a lot more study and would inevitably lead you to the conclusion that Lincoln, aside from those pretty words in his speeches was the original worst offender of the Constitution, and those constitutional criminals since, Democrat or Republican still use his model for justification for their actions.


The Real Constitution

By Clyde Wilson
The Abbeville Institute

September 26, 2017

Quote:
The real U.S. Constitution, which was scrapped long ago, does not permit judges to be its final interpreters, executive orders, coercion of the people of a State by the federal government, delegation of control of the currency to a private banking cartel, the subsidy of private corporations, or calling the militia to active service except in case of invasion or rebellion and at the request of the State.

The Constitution should have been reverently buried long ago. Except that its rotting corpse provides lucrative pickings for lawyers and pseudo-respectable cover for power seekers. The central government has no check on its power that is not determined by the politicians in control of its various branches. They seldom check each other but frequently check the people and the States. The 14th Amendment, illegitimately promulgated in the wake of Lincoln’s revolution, has provided power seekers with everything they need to fulfill their limitless ambitions.

The Constitution died when Abraham Lincoln decided to treat the solemn constitutional acts of the people of eleven states as mere “combinations of lawbreakers” to be destroyed by the force at the command of the party in control of the federal executive. One may celebrate or abhor that fact, but fact it is. And Lincoln so acted even though in the election that brought him to power, 60 per cent of the people had voted against “a policy of coercion.”

The document that was designed to provide specified operational powers to a federal government was changed into an unappealable instrument of power. There is a great unnoticed peculiarity in the name of this country. Before Lincoln, “United States” was a plural—in all laws, treaties, proclamations, and in the Constitution itself. It was a “Constitution FOR the United States of America.” And while Americans sometimes referred to a common identity as a “nation,” their common government was usually referred to as the “Union” or the “general government.”

More...

https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/the-real-constitution/
RiverRatRuss Offline
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RayR wrote:
Russ, just some constructive criticism...

It is clear that by looking over the actions of the branches of the government over a long period of time, nobody really believes or wants to understand what those words in the Constitution mean, at least most of the time. After all, those words that define the limits of political power in the general government and the rights of the states and the people get in the way of the nationalist authoritarian agenda.

Second, if you want people to read the Constitution that's all well and good, understanding those words in the Constitution is another matter which takes a lot more study and would inevitably lead you to the conclusion that Lincoln, aside from those pretty words in his speeches was the original worst offender of the Constitution, and those constitutional criminals since, Democrat or Republican still use his model for justification for their actions.


The Real Constitution

By Clyde Wilson
The Abbeville Institute

September 26, 2017



Lincoln Quotes are well polished in American History as are many other Leaders of this Free World through Out History of America... Lincoln was or possibly wasn't even a baby when these Architects of this Constitution was derived and Lasts today as master Craftsmanship to last the test of time!!!

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Leadership is solving problems. The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help or concluded you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.

Never a truer Statement!!!

https://www.azquotes.com/author/11823-Colin_Powell/tag/leadership
Brewha Offline
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RiverRatRuss wrote:
Leadership is solving problems. The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help or concluded you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.

Never a truer Statement!!!

https://www.azquotes.com/author/11823-Colin_Powell/tag/leadership

That’s odd because in the technology world you never want to bring leadership a problem unless you also have the answer.
RayR Offline
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RiverRatRuss wrote:
Lincoln Quotes are well polished in American History as are many other Leaders of this Free World through Out History of America... Lincoln was or possibly wasn't even a baby when these Architects of this Constitution was derived and Lasts today as master Craftsmanship to last the test of time!!!



Even though the "Architects of this Constitution" did the best they could have considering all the disagreements during the debates at the ratifying conventions, I disagree that it has stood the test of time. The ink wasn't even dry before there were crooks that were trying to undo it.
Although they had some successes at usurping power, nobody was as successful as Lincoln. He sure could tell some whoppers like claiming that the “Union is much older than the Constitution” using some convoluted thinking in his first inaugural address on March 4, 1861.

"The Union is much older than the Constitution. It was formed, in fact, by the Articles of Association in 1774. It was matured and continued by the Declaration of Independence in 1776. It was further matured, and the faith of all the then thirteen States expressly plighted and engaged that it should be perpetual, by the Articles of Confederation in 1778. And finally, in 1787, one of the declared objects for ordaining and establishing the Constitution was to form a more perfect Union."

The late Joe Sobran remarked, the notion that the union is older than the states makes as much sense as the idea that a marriage can be older than either spouse. It is impossible for a union of two things to be older than either of the things it is a union of.

I would add that the very idea that the Union was "perpetual" and could never be undone makes about as much sense as a marriage that could never end in divorce due to unreconcilable differences. Nobody in the founding generation from the Articles of Association onward to the Constitution believed that was what "perpetual" meant.



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RayR wrote:
Even though the "Architects of this Constitution" did the best they could have considering all the disagreements during the debates at the ratifying conventions, I disagree that it has stood the test of time. The ink wasn't even dry before there were crooks that were trying to undo it.
Although they had some successes at usurping power, nobody was as successful as Lincoln. He sure could tell some whoppers like claiming that the “Union is much older than the Constitution” using some convoluted thinking in his first inaugural address on March 4, 1861.

"The Union is much older than the Constitution. It was formed, in fact, by the Articles of Association in 1774. It was matured and continued by the Declaration of Independence in 1776. It was further matured, and the faith of all the then thirteen States expressly plighted and engaged that it should be perpetual, by the Articles of Confederation in 1778. And finally, in 1787, one of the declared objects for ordaining and establishing the Constitution was to form a more perfect Union."

The late Joe Sobran remarked, the notion that the union is older than the states makes as much sense as the idea that a marriage can be older than either spouse. It is impossible for a union of two things to be older than either of the things it is a union of.

I would add that the very idea that the Union was "perpetual" and could never be undone makes about as much sense as a marriage that could never end in divorce due to unreconcilable differences. Nobody in the founding generation from the Articles of Association onward to the Constitution believed that was what "perpetual" meant.





Nothing wrong with a straight Up DUEL!!!!

James Madison fought—and won—an oratory duel with Patrick Henry. This was no small feat. Throughout their home state of Virginia, Patrick Henry was renowned as a public speaking heavyweight who wooed crowds wherever he went.

Alexander Hamilton?? Herfing

They stood by their word....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Madison

To many people today try to blow smoke up another one's Arse... just keep your Powder Dry Boy's!!!

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Make Dueling Great Again
RayR Offline
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Alexander Hamilton SUCKED!

He talked out of both sides of his mouth.

He was a big government nationalist/monarchist/mercantilist who wanted the British system that the colonies fought to get rid of, he even wanted a king.

He pushed for a central bank monopoly. Former FED head, Helicopter Ben Bernanke once praised him as the founding father of central banking in America.

Hamilton was a proto-Keynesian that claimed that a large national debt is a “public blessing.

Hamilton was a protectionist/corporate welfarist who was against free trade, even interstate free trade and free competition.

He invented that LEFTY thing about a “living constitution.”

He was itching for a duel. 😵🔫
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Make Dueling Great Again

I have seen it done with banjos….
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