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SILICON VALLEY BANK ( in calif.) coLLaPseS...errr essss kaaapooot
Mr. Jones Offline
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The biggest bank collapse since the 2008 financial meltdown just happened today....

Sooooo...

Of course...JANET YELLEnLiar ( THE WORLDS BIGGEST WORTHLESS P.O.S. GRIFTER LYING BEOTCH)...

IS "watching the situation ".....

Ohhhh geeeeezzźzz...

Thank God the BRIBERY WENCH WHO COMMANDS
$850K FOR TWO HOUR CONVENTION SPEECHES from the exact same people she officially oversees as a government official....

Issss ...on top of it...

That's very reassuring...

Bwuuuuhahahahaha!!!!
delta1 Offline
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lots of banks have seen big drops in value...SVB might just be the first bank to fail...
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I watched an interview on NBC EVENING national news that interviewed a middle aged woman entrepreneur....
All of her savings from her "new start up company" was in
S.V.B. BANK...CHKING, SAVINGS, PAYROLL, Tax accounts to the TUNE OF $10 MILLION IN C.A.S.H.....

ONLY $250 K IS INSURED THROUGH THE FDIC...

SHE WAS ALMOST CRYING...SAYING THAT $250K WAS NOT GOING TO SAVE HER COMPANY...SHE IS NOW THEORETICALLY BANKRUPT AS OF TODAY...BUT SHE MAY STILL OWE LOANS AND MORTGAGES ON her companies holdings and obligations...while SBV GETS OFF SCOTT FREE...

SHE IS STILL ON THE HOOK FOR ALL HER DEBTS....

"THE MAN" ALWAYS SKATES SCOTT FREE WHILST HONEST LAW ABBIDING CITIZENS GET HUNG OUT TO DRY & LOSE EVERYTHING THEY EVER OWNED... GONE IN A DAY DUE TO THE BANKS BAD BUSINESS POLICY....

ITS THE AMERICAN WAY ??..
delta1 Offline
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yup...the little guys always get hurt first...most of the start-ups that had money in SVB prolly couldn't get capital loans from the big banks so they kept their money there when they started making some...
RayR Offline
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I heard Bernie Marcus, co-founder of Home Depot on the TV this morning talking to Cavuto.

He said SILICON VALLEY BANK was a "WOKE BANK"

You shouldn't put your money into WOKE BANKS.

GO WOKE, GO BROKE

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clintCigar Offline
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Maybe the "woke" will wake up??
LOL
Mr. Jones Offline
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I heard they sold too many bonds at variable interest rates?
Or some variable product ? Or some other type of financial product that killed them when interest rates went up so fast...

Think About it....rates were zero to 1.? % for years on end...
Now 3%,4%, 5% and more ....

Some real morons were loaning out money way to cheap or promising returns they couldn't fulfill in this high rate environment...I blame the FEDERAL RESERVE AND JANET YELLEN THE P.O.S. EXTROIDINAIRE ...
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Crypto bank "SILVERGATE BANK" WENT BANKRUPT ON WEDNESDAY TOO....

SILICON VALLEY BANK LENT ZERO PERCENT MONIES THAT THEY BORROWED DURING COVID RATES AND U.S. GOVT LOANS TO BANKS...ALL THE START UP NEW ENTREPRENEURS BORROWED MONEY THEY COULDNT PAYBACK SINCE THEY ARE NOT PRODUCING POFITS YET...ITS A CLASSIC ROB PETER TO PAY PAUL....THEIR 10 YR BONDS ARE PAYING 1-2% BUT THE DEBT SILICON VALLEY OWES IS COMING DUE WAY EARLIER THAN 10 YRS FROM NOW SINCE INTEREST IS NOW 4-5% AND
THE PEEPS?GOVT? WANT THE MONEY THEY LOANED TO SVB BACK RRIGHT NOW, NOT IN 10 YRS...

THIS IS GOING TO GET VERY BAD...

VERY QUICKLY...

TAKE OUT ANY MONIES OVER $250 K IN ANY INDIVIDUAL BANKS...SPREAD IT AROUND TO SEVERAL BANKS TO GET THE $250 K FDIC INSURANCE AT DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL BANKS...

I WISH I HAD THIS PROBLEM...
I DO NOT...

BUT IM GUESSING SEVERAL OF YOU OTHER BOTL DO HAVE OVER $250K IN ONE BANK...

BETTER START MOVING SOME MONEY...
NEXT WEEK.
Mr. Jones Offline
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...lent zero percent monies TO customers" not "to banks"...
rfenst Online
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Wall Street Journal said the bank was in otherwise decent shape and that some advisors were indicating its stock was even a good buy recently. Then, with all the Silicon Valley layoffs, too many people panicked and started withdrawing cash and then other customers went crazy with the rumor of the bank collapsing. This ate up their reserves and their required ratios got out of wak, so Treasury/Fed/FDIC stepped in.

I have zero sympathy for anyone who is stupid enough to have any money deposited in a bank beyond the FDIC $250k insurance limit. There are so many ways to name each account that having more than $250k in one bank should not be a problem.

My undergraduate finance "thesis "was a 25-30 page analysis of the Savings & Loan collapses during the 80's. Lots came out after the fact and the fact, which I hope won't be the case. Time will tell if dishonesty, self-dealing and sweet-heart loans had anything to do with it...
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I don’t like banks. I stick to credit unions.

The interesting thing with SVB is that this isn’t a normal bank where grandma deposits her social security check. This bank is for businesses and venture capital. Lots of tech companies now have their cash frozen and even in some cases payrolls aren’t going out. It needs to get liquidated quick and then we will see how bad the losses are from low interest bonds.
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"[FIDIC] Insurance works by ownership categories, and each is insured separately for up to $250,000. Here are the four most common categories: individual, joint, retirement and trust. Here’s an example of how the coverage would work for a married couple:

Husband has upward of $250,000 in individual accounts.
Wife has upward of $250,000 in individual accounts.
Husband and wife have upward of $500,000 in joint accounts.
Husband has various retirement CDs for upward of $250,000 (such as Keogh, IRA, or Roth).
Wife has various retirement CDs for upward of $250,000 (such as Keogh, IRA, Roth).
Husband sets up a revocable trust for the wife as a beneficiary for $250,000.
Wife sets up a revocable trust for the husband as the beneficiary for $250,000.

Under this scenario, total FDIC insurance would be $2 million."

WAPO
Mr. Jones Offline
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Thanks !!! RFENST

THATS AWESOME INFORMATION!!!
Mr. Jones Offline
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SIGNATURE BANK...

CLOSED TODAY. SUNDAY

IT WAS RELATED IN BUSINESS TO SILICON VALLEY BANK,
IT WAS IN NEW YORK and worked with middle sized crypto companies and technology companies.

100 Billion in assets...

Somehow???
The government? Or the FDIC is covering all the depositors money and will return it "in full" ???
At NO COST TO THE U.S. TAXPAYER...

WHY DONT I BELIEVE THAT STATEMENT???

BECAUSE ITS A BIG FAT LIE...
RayR Offline
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Well...Well, isn't that something?

Barney Frank, the Namesake of the Behemoth Dodd-Frank Legislation, on Board of Failed Signature Bank

By Joe Hoft Mar. 13, 2023 9:30 am

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Signature Bank, the firm that went under over the weekend, has an expert on its Board of Directors – Barney Frank.

Barney Frank was the US Rep behind the Dodd-Frank bill put in place after the 2008 bank crash. The government arguably caused the failure and then turned around and put in a massive amount of regulations in response to the failure.

The monstrosity was the Dodd-Frank bill, named in part for Barney Frank.

Frank left the House and was assigned to the Board of Signature Bank. This bank was little known until a couple of years ago when the bank decided to kick President Trump out of the bank by closing his accounts. This was a political move and it has now come back to haunt the bank.

More...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/03/barney-frank-the-namesake-of-the-behemoth-dodd-frank-legislation-on-board-of-failed-signature-bank/
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According to CNBC news, this was a “financial accident”

What a knee slapper
Mr. Jones Offline
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Barney Frank said screw everybody...

I'm riding this CUSHY GIFT HORSE POSITION RIGHT THROUGH RETIREMENT in my house on the HAMPTONS? OR
IS IT PROVINCETOWN ON THE CAPE?

TOO BAD THE CHECKS STOPPED LAST WEEK...

I WONDER IF HE GOT A BONUS CHK?
THAT THE COMPANY HONCHOS HASTELY FORCED THROUGH THE DAY BEFORE CLOSING....

WHAT A SCAM !!!
rfenst Online
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Is there moral hazard if no one was paying attention?


So the Feds stepped in to protect all deposits at Silicon Valley Bank, even though the law says that deposits only up to $250,000 are insured and even though there was a pretty good case that allowing big depositors to take a haircut wouldn’t have created a systemic crisis. S.V.B. was pretty sui generis, far more exposed both to interest risk and to potential runs than any other significant bank, so even some losses for larger depositors may not have caused much contagion.

Still, I understand the logic: If I were a policymaker, I’d be reluctant to let S.V.B. fail, merely because while it probably wouldn’t have caused a wider crisis, one can’t be completely certain and the risks of erring in doing too much were far smaller than the risks of doing too little.

That said, there are good reasons to feel uncomfortable about this bailout. And yes, it was a bailout. The fact that the funds will come from the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation — which will make up any losses with increased fees on banks — rather than directly from the Treasury doesn’t change the reality that the government came in to rescue depositors who had no legal right to demand such a rescue.

Furthermore, having to rescue this particular bank and this particular group of depositors is infuriating: Just a few years ago, S.V.B. was one of the midsize banks that lobbied successfully for the removal of regulations that might have prevented this disaster, and the tech sector is famously full of libertarians who like to denounce big government right up to the minute they themselves needed government aid.

But both the money and the unfairness are really secondary concerns. The bigger question is whether, by saving big depositors from their own fecklessness, policymakers have encouraged future bad behavior. In particular, businesses that placed large sums with S.V.B. without asking whether the bank was sound are paying no price (aside from a few days of anxiety). Will this lead to more irresponsible behavior? That is, has the S.V.B. bailout created moral hazard?

Moral hazard is a familiar concept in the economics of insurance: When people are guaranteed compensation for losses, they have no incentive to act prudently and in some cases may engage in deliberate acts of destruction. During the 1970s, when New York, in general, was at a low point and property values were depressed, the Bronx was wracked by fires, at least some of which may have been deliberately set by landlords who expected to receive more from insurers than their buildings were worth.

In banking, insuring deposits means that depositors have no reason to concern themselves with how the banks are using their money. This in turn creates an incentive for banks to engage in bad behavior, such as making highly risky but high-yielding loans. If the loans pay off, the bank makes a lot of money; if they don’t, the owners just walk away. Heads, they win; tails, the taxpayers lose.

This isn’t a hypothetical case; it’s pretty much what happened during the S.&L. crisis of the 1980s, when savings and loan associations, especially but not only in Texas, effectively gambled on a huge scale with other people’s money. When the bets went bad, taxpayers had to compensate depositors, with the total cost amounting to as much as $124 billion — which, as an equivalent share of gross domestic product, would be something like $500 billion today.

The thing is, it’s not news that guaranteeing depositors creates moral hazard. That moral hazard is one of the reasons banks are regulated — required to keep a fair bit of cash on hand, limited in the kind of risks they can take, required to have assets that exceed their deposits by a significant amount (a.k.a. capital requirements). This last requirement is intended not just to provide a cushion against possible losses but also to give bank owners skin in the game, an incentive to avoid risking depositors’ funds, since they will have to bear many of the losses, via their capital, if they lose money.

The savings and loan crisis had a lot to do with the very bad decision by Congress to relax regulations on those associations, which were in financial trouble as a result of high interest rates. There are obvious parallels to the crisis at Silicon Valley Bank, which also hit a wall because of rising interest rates and was able to take such big risks in part because the Trump administration and Congress had relaxed regulations on midsize banks.

But here’s the thing: The vast bulk of deposits at S.V.B. weren’t insured, because deposit insurance is capped at $250,000. Depositors who had given the bank more than that didn’t fail to do due diligence on the bank’s risky strategy because they thought that the government would bail them out; everyone knows about the F.D.I.C. insurance limit, after all.

They failed to do due diligence because, well, it never occurred to them that bankers who seemed so solid, so sympatico with the whole venture capital ethos, actually had no idea what to do with the money placed in their care.

Now, you could argue that S.V.B.’s depositors felt safe because they somewhat cynically believed that they would be bailed out if things went bad even if they weren’t entitled to any help — which is exactly what just happened. And if you believe that argument, the feds, by making all depositors whole, have confirmed that belief, creating more moral hazard.

The logic of this view is impeccable. And I don’t believe it for a minute, because it gives depositors too much credit.

I don’t believe that S.V.B.’s depositors were making careful, rational calculations about risks and likely policy responses, because I don’t believe that they understood how banking works in the first place. For heaven’s sake, some of S.V.B.’s biggest clients were in crypto. Need we say more?

And just in general, asking investors — not just small investors, who are formally insured, but even businesses with millions or hundreds of millions in the bank — to evaluate the soundness of the banks where they park their funds is expecting too much from people who are, after all, trying to run their own businesses.

The lesson I would take from S.V.B. is that banks need to be strongly regulated whether or not their deposits are insured. The bailout won’t change that fact, and following that wisdom should prevent more bailouts.

And you know who would have agreed? Adam Smith, who in “The Wealth of Nations” called for bank regulation, which he compared to the requirement that urban buildings have walls that limit the spread of fire. Wouldn’t we all, even the ultrarich and large companies, be happier if we didn’t have to worry about our banks going down in flames?


Pul Krugman
NYT
ZRX1200 Offline
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Paul was “Pul”ing your leg.
RayR Offline
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Haven't we heard this story before? "banks need to be strongly regulated" I thought the Keysians like Krugman assured everybody they were after the last meltdown so the shenanigans would never happen again.

Oh, wait...Krugman is pointing fingers, he said it's Congress's fault for relaxing regulations, (probably Trump's fault too), Congress, the same gang, our heroes the strong regulators (LIKE BARNEY FRANK?) that built the moral hazards into the entire monetary monopoly and financial system from the FED on down to enrich themselves and their friends. But Krugman would never want to do away with that, would he? He really loves the whole corrupt Keynesian system, but when things go bad he'll just keep squawking from his perch at the New York Times as he's done for years, "I'm a big advocate of much strengthened financial regulation" It just needs a little tweakin' eh? Ya, that'll fix it, Pauly.


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Elizabeth Warren out for bankers scalps...stop me if you've heard this before.

PLUS...they deserved to fail!

https://thefederalist.com/2023/03/14/silicon-valley-bank-pledged-nearly-74-million-to-black-lives-matter-causes/
RayR Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Elizabeth Warren out for bankers scalps...stop me if you've heard this before.

PLUS...they deserved to fail!

https://thefederalist.com/2023/03/14/silicon-valley-bank-pledged-nearly-74-million-to-black-lives-matter-causes/


Ya, same old same old

Da banks political action committee influence buyers gave money to 2 LEFTY influence peddlers, Chuck Schumer and Maxine Waters too. Now they are scampering to make that money disappear from their campaign coffers. I guess it's a bad look.

SVB collapse: Chuck Schumer and Maxine Waters to relinquish political donations

by Ryan King, Breaking News Reporter
March 14, 2023 07:58 PM

Quote:
At least two top Democrats are planning to relinquish political donations from Silicon Valley Bank's political action committee in the wake of its collapse.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) donated contributions from the company's CEO, Greg Becker, and a PAC affiliated with the bank to charity, according to a spokesperson. Meanwhile, Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA), ranking member of the House Financial Services Committee, plans to return the donation she received from the PAC, per Politico.

More...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/economy/schumer-watters-relinquish-svb-donations




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Once again Biden is overstepping his authority, by using FDIC money to cover deposits that don't fall under FDIC coverage. Nothing to worry about though the FDIC has about 50 billion and a 500 billion dollar line of credit, thanks to legislation passed under the Obama administration. The 50 Billion would cover about 1.3% of insured deposits. Making bad decisions seems to no longer have consequences.
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burning_sticks wrote:
Once again Biden is overstepping his authority, by using FDIC money to cover deposits that don't fall under FDIC coverage. Nothing to worry about though the FDIC has about 50 billion and a 500 billion dollar line of credit, thanks to legislation passed under the Obama administration. The 50 Billion would cover about 1.3% of insured deposits. Making bad decisions seems to no longer have consequences.



There are "investment groups", hedge funds and actors like George Soros that could potentially crater the US economy IF they wanted to given this environment of total protection. They've done it before.
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burning_sticks wrote:
Once again Biden is overstepping his authority, by using FDIC money to cover deposits that don't fall under FDIC coverage. Nothing to worry about though the FDIC has about 50 billion and a 500 billion dollar line of credit, thanks to legislation passed under the Obama administration. The 50 Billion would cover about 1.3% of insured deposits. Making bad decisions seems to no longer have consequences.

It is certainly a terrible precedent vs. potential fallout of companies losing so much money that the economic impact could be significantly worse.
I don't know.
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If it was a Florida or Texas bank it would not have got bailed out.
Mr. Jones Offline
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Californians have a secret handshake that let's them all get away with anything at all...including a $50 billion bank failure...
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HockeyDad wrote:
If it was a Florida or Texas bank it would not have got bailed out.


If it was a Florida or Texas bank the "regulators" would have done there job and shut it down a year or so ago. I understand it was a liquidity problem not a actual failure from going broke.
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Zero interest loans / bonds killed them.
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