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Chk out the nEw S&W FPC CARBINE 9 MM
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Mr. Jones Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Apr 30 2023, 6:02 PM EST
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Retails a bit high at $659...

It should only really be $475 at best...
There's nothing to it...it folds in half and is really an M&P 2.0 PISTOL W/ A 16.5" BARREL
AND AR-15 LIKE STOCK that holds 2 extra 25 rd magazines and it comes with a 17 rd mag.
delta1 Offline
#2 Posted: Sun, Apr 30 2023, 7:10 PM EST
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solid people killing machine
Whistlebritches Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Apr 30 2023, 7:25 PM EST
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Been eye balling this beauty...........IMO the perfect zombie apocalypse weapon.

https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/henry-us-survival-ar-7-semi-auto-rimfire-rifle?irclickid=WsVXn1VKtxyNWOYS9a0OBXLMUkAVgkXpT1rP0c0&irpid=2003851&irmpname=Bing%20Rebates%20by%20Microsoft&irsharedid=bing&cm_soc=AFF&irgwc=1&hvarAID=impact

I have a sweet Belgian made(1967) Browning SA 22,not a scratch.I also have a ruger 10/22 (little heavy for my taste) and a Remington Targetmaster my granddad picked up after returning from WW II,he gave it to me when I was 6,too much sentimental value to carry in my pickup.What I do not have is a true lightweight that stowes easily in its own stock and priced well enough to ride under the seat all day and take a beating.Plus I currently do not own one Henry rifle...........thinking bout building a small fleet of them.
Whistlebritches Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Apr 30 2023, 7:29 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
solid people killing machine



In the wrong hands a butter knife can inflict just as much carnage.
Gene363 Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Apr 30 2023, 7:50 PM EST
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If you want a 9mm carbine, get a Palmetto State Armory (PSA) 9mm lower and a matching 9mm upper. The lower accepts Glock magazines.

BTW, PSA is also making a Glock 19 clone, the PSA Dagger, an excellent carry pistol that you can get for less than $300 with a slide cut for a red dot.
ZRX1200 Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Apr 30 2023, 10:42 PM EST
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I like PSA’s ARV.

I also like Foxtrot Mike AR9’s better than the PSA AR9’s.
DrafterX Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, May 1 2023, 6:25 AM EST
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Kind fond of these: https://ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/specSheets/19115.html

Don't have one yet tho... Think

Can get wood stocks for them too...
Jakethesnake86 Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, May 1 2023, 7:45 AM EST
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Not super into that type gun Cool though

Will agree however one can inflict just as much damage with a hunting rifle or a knife baseball bat. It’s all in the individual
danmdevries Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, May 1 2023, 8:01 AM EST
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I kinda like it Jones.
Gene363 Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, May 1 2023, 9:29 AM EST
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I still have a Feather AT9 9mm carbine, a collector item now. I had a Bretta CX4 9mm carbine that was a great shooter, but I sent it to auction. I prefer an AR pistol in .223 over a 9mm carbine or a PSA Rock pistol in 5.7x28 for a compact weapon.
HockeyDad Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, May 1 2023, 9:49 AM EST
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Get a FN PS90. Have you seen how scary those things look!?
Gene363 Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, May 1 2023, 10:20 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Get a FN PS90. Have you seen how scary those things look!?


They do look strange, but they are pretty ergonomic and have a magazine that holds fifty rounds.

The downside is the price and the long barrel installed in the US to make it fit the definition of a rifle. You can convert it to a short-barreled rifle, but that involves a $200 tax stamp and the additional restrictions imposed on obtaining and possessing a National Firearms Act (NFA) item.
ZRX1200 Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, May 1 2023, 10:38 AM EST
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And the trigger is 💩
DrMaddVibe Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, May 1 2023, 10:42 AM EST
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Kel-Tec has a foldable gun as well.

Sub2000...40 cal.
Brewha Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, May 1 2023, 2:50 PM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
In the wrong hands a butter knife can inflict just as much carnage.

I once saw a man kill three people with a pencil.....
DrafterX Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, May 1 2023, 4:08 PM EST
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Did they say somethin about his momma..?? Huh
Brewha Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, May 1 2023, 5:15 PM EST
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Well……if they did, then I guess he made his point….
delta1 Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, May 1 2023, 7:09 PM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
In the wrong hands a butter knife can inflict just as much carnage.


so which one would you rather go up against? A killer with the S&W FPC Carbine....or Dahmer with a butter knife?

or imagine this scenario: you and your lovely wife are among 35 people in a movie theater...a killer walks in and starts the carnage...which one do you think your chances of surviving would be higher?
ZRX1200 Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, May 1 2023, 9:51 PM EST
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Pretty rando rocking a 20+ year old PCC in a theater is gonna taste a Glock 26 right quick……
Gene363 Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, May 1 2023, 10:00 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Pretty rando rocking a 20+ year old PCC in a theater is gonna taste a Glock 26 right quick……


Exactly... OTOH...

It would not be a problem at all if the theatre was a gun-free zone. The killer would just turn around and go home. Sarcasm
Stogie1020 Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, May 1 2023, 10:04 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
so which one would you rather go up against? A killer with the S&W FPC Carbine....or Dahmer with a butter knife?

or imagine this scenario: you and your lovely wife are among 35 people in a movie theater...a killer walks in and starts the carnage...which one do you think your chances of surviving would be higher?

Well, then I guess we should ban killers.
Jakethesnake86 Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, May 1 2023, 10:48 PM EST
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I’m all for everyone carrying guns. That said I don’t carry. A lot of the bull crap would stop if three or 7 good people were armed and a lunatic with whatever type guns try’s something. 99 percent of the people that do that stuff wouldn’t show up if they knew they’d likely be gunned down.

I do have a couple “cool” pieces because I like to look at them.

The rest of what I have is just rifles and shotguns
delta1 Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, May 5 2023, 8:14 PM EST
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some studies show crime and homicides up in states with weaker gun laws...wonder why NRA opposes studies on relationships between numbers of guns and violence?

I'd be comfortable among all you guys who post here, even if you are carrying your fave firearm in my presence...

my fear is the 1.8% of our population, the unhinged lunatic fringe who have easy access to firearms and benefit from the ease of gun ownership demanded by a small percentage of the decent 98.2%

that ease of ownership makes it less safe for the majority who are increasingly likely to be an innocent victim...I would not want to "feel safer" packing wherever I go...too many "accidental" Costco shootings




two studies of relationship between homicides/violent crime and gun ownership/concealed carry;


https://vpc.org/states-with-weak-gun-laws-and-higher-gun-ownership-lead-nation-in-gun-deaths-new-data-for-2020-
confirms/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw0tKiBhC6ARIsAAOXutm0lL4jowiTJU3SNRHwuIgj34SO


https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/concealed-carry/violent-crime.html
Sunoverbeach Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, May 5 2023, 8:22 PM EST
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And a study by the CDC states that annual defensive gun use in America eclipses ALL annual gun deaths exponentially. Minimum 500k, but likely closer to 3m.

I'd give you a link, but the CDC was pressured by anti gun legislators to delete the study from their site because tge results made it too difficult to pass new gun laws

Hmmmmm, weird Think
Sunoverbeach Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, May 5 2023, 8:25 PM EST
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More in line with the original post that was not placed under the politics section however, on the carbine front I REALLY want a CZ Scorpion. Don't wanna pay for it though
delta1 Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, May 5 2023, 8:31 PM EST
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
And a study by the CDC states that annual defensive gun use in America eclipses ALL annual gun deaths exponentially. Minimum 500k, but likely closer to 3m.

I'd give you a link, but the CDC was pressured by anti gun legislators to delete the study from their site because tge results made it too difficult to pass new gun laws

Hmmmmm, weird Think



here's an article that discusses that very thing;

nearly 7x more victims of gun violence than defensive gun uses...


https://www.thetrace.org/2022/06/defensive-gun-use-data-good-guys-with-guns/





apologies for the injection of politics into a love affair thread
Sunoverbeach Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, May 5 2023, 9:20 PM EST
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*Sigh* It's to be expected
Google articles specifically leaning towards the preferred side of the argument. Check

https://reason.com/2022/09/09/the-largest-ever-survey-of-american-gun-owners-finds-that-defensive-use-of-firearms-is-common/

You want to save the most amount of lives?
Address the glaring mental health problem in society which leads to such a high suicide rate

You want to stop horrific mass shootings?
Address the glaring mental health problem in society which creates these lunatic scumbags who have so little regard for human life

You want to save the next biggest chunk of lives after suicide?
Address the socioeconomic issues prevalent, in particular in the urban demographic, that lead so many people to a life of violent crime

You want to pat yourself on the back while having little to no effect on the stated issue?
Ban the scary guns with tactical rails. It worked great for alcohol use during prohibition and did wonders for drug abuse in the past 40 years
HockeyDad Offline
#28 Posted: Sat, May 6 2023, 8:31 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:


apologies for the injection of politics into a love affair thread


Yeah, you ruined the thread. Now you need to define “ease of gun ownership”. Go to your local gun store and buy two handguns and a box of ammunition. Report back on the process including when you actually received any of the items you wanted to buy.
Jakethesnake86 Offline
#29 Posted: Sat, May 6 2023, 8:37 AM EST
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Legally bought firearms aren’t the ones shooting people
Gene363 Offline
#30 Posted: Sat, May 6 2023, 11:10 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Yeah, you ruined the thread. Now you need to define “ease of gun ownership”. Go to your local gun store and buy two handguns and a box of ammunition. Report back on the process including when you actually received any of the items you wanted to buy.



Jakethesnake86 wrote:
Legally bought firearms aren’t the ones shooting people



Exactly why we don't need any more gun laws, in fact, we need to repeal many of them, in particular the Nation Firearms Registry (NFA).
Whistlebritches Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, May 8 2023, 6:47 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Pretty rando rocking a 20+ year old PCC in a theater is gonna taste a Glock 26 right quick……


Fo sho..........I don't go to my own squat room without my G26
Whistlebritches Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, May 8 2023, 6:57 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
so which one would you rather go up against? A killer with the S&W FPC Carbine....or Dahmer with a butter knife?

or imagine this scenario: you and your lovely wife are among 35 people in a movie theater...a killer walks in and starts the carnage...which one do you think your chances of surviving would be higher?



What just happened in Allen Texas is a classic example.My heart goes out to those people and their families............but had more of those in that mall been exercising their right to carry there is a good chance many of those slaughtered may just be alive today.
Jakethesnake86 Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, May 8 2023, 8:43 PM EST
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I agree whistle
Stogie1020 Offline
#34 Posted: Mon, May 8 2023, 9:38 PM EST
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Anyone want to bet on whether that outdoor outlet mall was a "gun free zone?"
325AIR Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, May 11 2023, 1:24 AM EST
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I'm not big into pistol caliber carbines, however the ones with the best reputation for reliability, ruggedness and accuracy come in the AR15 style platforms.
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