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USA Credit Downgrade
HockeyDad Offline
#1 Posted:
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Thanks Biden.

This will cost everyone money just like inflation.
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted:
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That Bassard..!! Mad
Brewha Offline
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Just to be clear - you boys are NOT blaming Obama for this???
DrafterX Offline
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No... but Biden is blaming Trump... Mellow
Stogie1020 Offline
#5 Posted:
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It's "transitory"...
MACS Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Just to be clear - you boys are NOT blaming Obama for this???


Collaterally... sure. He's the puppetmaster, right? Y'all think Dementia Joe is runnin' the show?
Brewha Offline
#7 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Collaterally... sure. He's the puppetmaster, right? Y'all think Dementia Joe is runnin' the show?

Good boy - don’t miss the low hanging fruit.
MACS Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Good boy - don’t miss the low hanging fruit.


You pitchin' softballs, I gotta swing...
RayR Offline
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That Commie Obama deserves to be blamed; he made that crooked Biden VP who then used his position to threaten foreigners and extract tribute for the crime family.
HockeyDad Offline
#10 Posted:
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RayR wrote:
That Commie Obama deserves to be blamed; he made that crooked Biden VP who then used his position to threaten foreigners and extract tribute for the crime family.



Well there is that.
RayR Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Well there is that.


Some people need to be reminded constantly because they have a memory like a sieve.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
No... but Biden is blaming Trump... Mellow


3 years in? Surprised?
deadeyedick Offline
#13 Posted:
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Iffn my debts were more than my annual income I would expect a downgrade.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#14 Posted:
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deadeyedick wrote:
Iffn my debts were more than my annual income I would expect a downgrade.



That's just craaaaazy talk right there. Don't you know your kids SS#'s? Max those lines of credit out...Grandkids? Them too. If you don't some Nigerian scammer or an inmate in the California Penitentiary system will! Gotta get that cheddah before Unka Sam does!

Kickin' the can since March 1964!

https://www.history.com/topics/1960s/great-society
rfenst Offline
#15 Posted:
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Fitch Downgrades U.S. Credit Rating

Ratings company says downgrade reflects ‘erosion of governance’


WSJ

Fitch Ratings downgraded the U.S. government’s credit rating weeks after President Biden and congressional Republicans came to the brink of a historic default, warning about the growing debt burden and political dysfunction in Washington.

The downgrade, the first by a major ratings firm in more than a decade, is evidence that increasingly frequent political skirmishes over the U.S. government’s finances are clouding the outlook for the $25 trillion global market for Treasurys. Fitch’s rating on the U.S. now stands at “AA+”, or one notch below the top “AAA” grade.

America’s reputation for reliably making good on its IOUs has cast Treasury bonds in an indispensable role in global markets: a safe-haven security offering nearly risk-free returns. Treasurys serve as a critical benchmark for returns on stocks and other bonds, because investors generally demand greater yields on any other securities that they buy.

Few investors believe that Fitch’s downgrade will immediately challenge that role. Still, it is the first time a ratings firm lowered its headline assessment of the U.S. government’s propensity to pay its bills on time since Standard & Poor’s in 2011 lowered its rating one notch below the top grade. That decision followed another tense debt-ceiling standoff in Congress.

Moody’s, the other member of the three big U.S. ratings firms, continues to give the U.S. its strongest assessment.

Fitch said Tuesday that the downgrade reflects an “erosion of governance” in the U.S. relative to other top-tier economies over the last two decades.

“The repeated debt-limit political standoffs and last-minute resolutions have eroded confidence in fiscal management,” Fitch said.


Biden administration officials criticized Fitch’s decision, blaming governance problems on the Trump administration and arguing that the U.S. wasn’t at risk of missing its debt payments.

“The change by Fitch Ratings announced today is arbitrary and based on outdated data,” Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said in a statement.

Administration officials said Fitch staff, in justifying their concerns over the U.S. political system, repeatedly raised the events of Jan. 6, 2021, when supporters of former President Donald Trump stormed the capital saying the 2020 election was stolen.

It is the first downgrade of the U.S. by a major ratings firm in more than a decade. PHOTO: AL DRAGO/BLOOMBERG NEWS
Trump was indicted Tuesday for his efforts to overturn his loss to Biden in that election. He has denied wrongdoing, and has repeatedly accused prosecutors of pursuing him for political reasons.

Congress passed legislation suspending the government’s borrowing limit in early June, just days before the deadline Yellen had given for when the government would become unable to pay all of its bills on time.

The eventual compromise, which set caps on federal spending and raised the debt limit for roughly two years, came after months of deadlock between Democrats and Republicans. Republicans had demanded spending cuts in an echo of previous clashes over government borrowing, which Democrats resisted for months. During the impasse, Fitch said it was considering downgrading the U.S.

Fitch said it expects the general government deficit to rise to 6.3% of gross domestic product in 2023 from 3.7% last year. The expected deficit growth reflects cyclically weaker federal revenues, new spending initiatives and a higher interest burden, Fitch said. The firm expects the U.S. economy to slip into a recession later this year.
Institutional investors and day traders alike rely on credit ratings to assess the risk that major borrowers such as governments and corporations won’t make good on debt that they owe. Low-rated institutions typically must compensate investors with higher interest payments in exchange for the privilege of borrowing.

Presiding over the world’s largest economy and in charge of its most important currency, the U.S. government is typically treated as among the safest borrowers anywhere. Banks and companies around the globe often think of U.S. Treasurys as if they are as reliable and liquid as cash—a premise that relies on sacrosanct confidence in the government’s ability to pay its bills.

On Wall Street, banks and investors are unlikely to step back abruptly from their reliance on Treasurys as a safe-haven benchmark following the actions of a single rating agency, said Luke Tilley, chief economist at Wilmington Trust. But moves such as Fitch’s incrementally degrade the confidence that global financial markets place in the U.S. government’s creditworthiness, he said.

“Rome wasn’t built in a day, and it didn’t fall apart in a day either,” Tilley said in an interview in May, when the U.S. was facing an imminent default. “But if the two parties in Washington are going to force investors to rethink whether the U.S. will pay its bills, investors will do exactly that.”



These are the actual reasons Fitch beleives justify the downgrade by Fitch.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#16 Posted:
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So all that Ukrainian money can be dumped on Taiwan now?

GO PEDO JOE GO!!!!

Launder that money faster, Kill kill.
HockeyDad Offline
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rfenst wrote:


These are the actual reasons Fitch beleives justify the downgrade by Fitch.


Actually that is a Wall Street Journal article.
rfenst Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Actually that is a Wall Street Journal article.

So what?
With actual quotes from Fitch.
Why don't you believe WSJ isn't credible in this type of matter?


Here is the actual Fitch Report link:

https://www.fitchratings.com/research/sovereigns/fitch-downgrades-united-states-long-term-ratings-to-aa-from-aaa-outlook-stable-01-08-2023
HockeyDad Offline
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It’s better to read the actual Fitch report than have it interpreted for you.
RayR Offline
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Clearly the erosion of fiscal responsibility and good governance is behind Fitch's downgrade. It doesn't take a genius to see the Banana Republic 🍌 has been on a downward slide.

But what is all this BS about ESG in the report? I hear Fitch is a bunch of GREEN COMMIES.
rfenst Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
It’s better to read the actual Fitch report than have it interpreted for you.

I did. Did you too?
HockeyDad Offline
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rfenst wrote:
I did. Did you too?


Yes, yesterday morning. Wanted to see how much pain it will cause me.
rfenst Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Yes, yesterday morning. Wanted to see how much pain it will cause me.

Get hurt?
HockeyDad Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Get hurt?



Oh yeah. That cost me some big money immediately.

Now we all pay for it in the interest rates of the one trillion in debt to be issued this month.
8trackdisco Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Thanks Biden.

This will cost everyone money just like inflation.


Gee, we continue to take on more debts (all of the last six presidents and congress) and our credits is worse?

REALLY?! Never saw that coming.
RayR Offline
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8trackdisco wrote:
Gee, we continue to take on more debts (all of the last six presidents and congress) and our credits is worse?

REALLY?! Never saw that coming.


The theory was that the gubment could continue to spend relentlessly and irresponsibly as long as they could have the FED monetized the debt and the Treasury money printing machines go Brrrrr... 24/7... and as long as they could continue to extract massive tribute from the proles to pay the interest, that it would impress creditors so much that you could pull those shenanigans off, that your credit rating would increase. It's all very progressive you know. You could try a similar strategy yourself, but I don't think it would improve your FICO score.
RobertHively Offline
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My corn and beans are coming in just fine.

Trail cam picked up a 10 point, 8 point, 6 point and tons of does.

Downgrade deez nutz.............
RayR Offline
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RobertHively wrote:
My corn and beans are coming in just fine.

Trail cam picked up a 10 point, 8 point, 6 point and tons of does.

Downgrade deez nutz.............


I hope you pay your fair share of that corn and beans to da government.
You wouldn't want Biden's heavily armed collection agents coming after you. Anxious
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