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Steve Koonin on Climate Change
MACS Offline
#1 Posted:
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Hubris is a Greek word that means dangerously overconfident. Based on my research, hubris fairly describes our current response to the issue of climate change.

Here’s what many people believe:

One: The planet is warming catastrophically because of certain human behaviors.

Two: Thanks to powerful computers we can project what the climate will be like 20, 40, or even 100 years from now.

Three: That if we eliminate just one behavior, the burning of fossil fuels, we can prevent the climate from changing for as long we like.

Each of these presumptions—together, the basis of our hubris regarding the changing climate—is either untrue or so far off the mark as to be useless.

Yes, it’s true that the globe is warming, and that humans are exerting a warming influence upon it. But beyond that, to paraphrase a line from the classic movie The Princess Bride, “I do not think ‘The Science’ says what you think it says.”

For example, government reports state clearly that heat waves in the US are now no more common than they were in 1900.

Hurricane activity is no different than it was a century ago.

Floods have not increased across the globe over more than seventy years.

Greenland’s ice sheet isn’t shrinking any more rapidly today than it was 80 years ago.

Why aren’t these reassuring facts better known?

Because the public gets its climate information almost exclusively from the media.

And from a media perspective, fear sells.

“Things aren’t that bad” doesn’t sell.

Very few people, and that includes journalists who report on climate news, read the actual science. I have. And what the data—the hard science—from the US government and UN Climate reports say is that… “things aren’t that bad.”

Nor does the public understand the questionable basis of all catastrophic climate change projections: computer modeling.

Projecting future climate is excruciatingly difficult. Yes, there are human influences, but the climate is complex. Anyone who says that climate models are “just physics” either doesn’t understand them or is being deliberately misleading. I should know: I wrote one of the first textbooks on computer modeling.

While modelers base their assumptions upon both fundamental physical laws and observations of the climate, there is still considerable judgment involved. And since different modelers will make different assumptions, results vary widely among different models.

Let’s just take one simple, but significant assumption modelers must make: the impact of clouds on the climate.

Natural fluctuations in the height and coverage of clouds have at least as much of an impact on the flows of sunlight and heat as do human influences. But how can we possibly know global cloud coverage say 10, let alone 50 years from now? Obviously, we can’t. But to create a climate model, we have to make assumptions. That’s a pretty shaky foundation on which to transform the world’s economy.

By the way, creating more accurate models isn’t getting any easier. In fact, the more we learn about the climate system, the more we realize how complex it is.

Rather than admit this complexity, the media, the politicians, and a good portion of the climate science community attribute every terrible storm, every flood, every major fire to “climate change.” Yes, we’ve always had these weather events in the past, the narrative goes, but somehow “climate change” is making everything “worse.”

Even if that were true, isn’t the relevant question, how much worse? Not to mention that “worse” is not exactly a scientific term.

And how would we make it better?

For the alarmists, that’s easy: we get rid of fossil fuels.

Not only is this impractical—we get over 80% of the world’s energy from fossil fuels—it’s not scientifically possible. That’s because CO2 doesn’t disappear from the atmosphere in a few days like, say, smog. It hangs around for a really long time.

About 60 percent of any CO2 that we emit today will remain in the atmosphere 20 years from now, between 30 and 55 percent will still be there after a century, and between 15 and 30 percent will remain after one thousand years.

In other words, it takes centuries for the excess carbon dioxide to vanish from the atmosphere. So, any partial reductions in CO2 emissions would only slow the increase in human influences—not prevent it, let alone reverse it.

CO2 is not a knob that we can just turn down to fix everything. We don’t have that ability. To think that we do is… hubris.

Hubris leads to bad decisions.

A little humility and a little knowledge would lead to better ones.

Steve Koonin - former Undersecretary for Science in the Obama Administration, and author of Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn't, and Why It Matters.
Stogie1020 Offline
#2 Posted:
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Ain't nobody got time for common sense round here...
RayR Offline
#3 Posted:
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^ That's fer sure...they got a lot of hubris though. Not talking
MACS Offline
#4 Posted:
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Yeah... noticed no lefties who think the government needs to get involved decided to comment.
RayR Offline
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MACS wrote:
Yeah... noticed no lefties who think the government needs to get involved decided to comment.


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The world faces a serious crisis, one that will ruin whole economies and lead to needless suffering and death.

The crisis is related to climate change, but not in the way you’re probably thinking.

It’s the global energy crisis—a man-made crisis created by climate change policies.

These policies have led to a shortage of fossil fuels—oil, coal, and natural gas, the fuels that provide over 80% of the world’s energy.

A shortage of anything leads to higher prices. That’s just basic economics.

Fossil fuel shortages have led to higher energy prices. And because the energy industry powers every other industry, this has led to higher prices of almost everything, everywhere.

We are already seeing the consequences.

Inflation

Inflation spares no one, but those who live paycheck-to-paycheck suffer the most. Every purchase becomes a major decision. Inflation in the US in 2022 was around eight percent, in the UK, ten percent, and in many developing countries, much higher. The leading driver of this inflation has been the cost of energy.

Deadly Winters

Contrary to popular belief, far more people die from cold than heat. Saving lives from the danger of cold requires low-cost, reliable energy. Without it, people on the margins can’t adequately heat their homes during the harsh winter months. Even in wealthy Europe, literally thousands will die for lack of energy.

Widespread job losses

When energy prices increase dramatically, industries scale back or shut down altogether.

As the Wall Street Journal reports, “Europe’s energy crisis has left few businesses untouched… Some industries, such as the energy-intensive metals sector, are shutting factories that analysts and executives say might never reopen, imperiling thousands of jobs.”

Mass starvation

Modern agriculture depends on fossil fuels: natural gas is a prime component of fertilizer and farming equipment is largely powered by diesel fuel. When natural gas and oil prices go up, food becomes more expensive around the world.

According to the President of the World Farmers’ Organization: “Prices are…78 percent higher than… in 2021…In many regions [in the developing world] farmers simply can’t afford… fertilizers… or even if they could, the fertilizers are not available to them.”

Not enough fertilizer means not enough food.

While the whole world suffers from an energy crisis, the worst affected are poor nations that are getting outbid for scarce energy supplies. Bangladesh has recently experienced widespread power outages. They simply can’t get the energy they need. A desperate Europe is grabbing all it can, leaving this east Asian nation literally in the dark.

This will lead to…

Civil unrest.

We saw this in Sri Lanka in 2022. Violent riots wracked the country following massive crop failures. A leading reason for the crop failures: a lack of fertilizer due to anti-natural gas, anti-fertilizer policies.

The root cause of all these problems and the very real suffering that results is the same.

Not enough fossil fuel.

But there is no need for shortages of fossil fuel.

We have all the fossil fuels we need and then some. We are literally standing on it.

We just can’t get to it.

We can’t get to it because governments have decided we shouldn’t use fossil fuels.

They say we’re in a climate crisis.

But while climate change—humans impacting climate—is a real thing, “climate crisis” is not.

The world is slowly becoming warmer—at a cold point in geological history when many more people die of cold than of heat. This doesn’t at all justify rapidly restricting global fossil fuel use.

Fossil fuels actually make us far safer from the climate by providing low-cost energy for the amazing machines that protect us against storms, protect us against extreme temperatures, and alleviate drought. Climate disaster deaths have decreased 98% over the last century.

The only rational approach to reducing fossil fuels’ climate impacts is a long-term one based on developing truly competitive, reliable forms of energy—most promisingly, nuclear energy.

Unfortunately, instead of taking this rational approach, governments declared a “climate crisis” and started immediately restricting fossil fuels—with no viable replacement.

They pretended that solar and wind could somehow replace fossil fuels. But since these fuels are inherently unreliable—they can go to near-zero at any given time—there was never any reason to believe this.

Now we’re suffering the consequences of their folly.

Instead of rapidly expanding our fossil fuel production, we’re begging Saudi Arabia and Venezuela to expand theirs. Europe, which once enjoyed energy security, is now dependent on Russia for the natural gas it needs to heat its homes and power its industry.

And, outrageously, instead of apologizing for the disastrous anti-fossil-fuel policies that caused today’s energy crisis, our so-called experts are confidently doubling down, advocating for even more aggressive elimination of fossil fuel production.

Every nation will suffer from the global energy crisis, but those with the least will suffer the most.

Many will die, sacrificed on the altar of a climate crisis that doesn’t exist.

How long will we let this injustice continue?

Alex Epstein - author of Fossil Future
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#7 Posted:
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We are in a period of forced transition that will not be without pain. Fortunately those with the most wealth will experience the least pain.
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HockeyDad wrote:
We are in a period of forced transition that will not be without pain. Fortunately those with the most wealth will experience the least pain.

And reap the most benefit...
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