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Actual Factual randomized studies for masks
MACS Offline
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ1n_woWVkQ

NO BENEFIT... and the studies were, of course, censored by social media.
HockeyDad Offline
#2 Posted:
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My mask protects you. Your mask protects me.
RayR Offline
#3 Posted:
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If you wear a mask for too long, you forget who you were beneath it. fog
Mr. Jones Offline
#4 Posted:
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It makes everyone feel safer...

They have been doing it in ASIA FOR MULTIPLE DECADES...

ITS JUST catching on over here...
By FAUCCI DECREE....
And "gain of function" Research near WET MARKETS
PAID FOR BY U.S. CITIZENS...
Brewha Offline
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So surgeons have always worn masks for no reason….

Wow, you learn such smart things here on Cbid…..






Come to think of it, seat belts don’t prevent car crashes.
KingoftheCove Offline
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Brewha wrote:
So surgeons have always worn masks for no reason….

Wow, you learn such smart things here on Cbid…..

Come to think of it, seat belts don’t prevent car crashes.

Think
At times, I find your blind ignorance absolutely astonishing.
MACS Offline
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KingoftheCove wrote:
Think
At times, I find your blind ignorance absolutely astonishing.


I no longer do. And his remark lets me know he did not watch the video. People like him ask for scientific trials like this as proof... and when you give it to them, it's the same old song and dance.

Nuh-uh! But, but, but! False equivalencies.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#8 Posted:
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He was prolly wearing a mask inside his own house while he typed up his response.

Ya know, don't kill granny and all.
MACS Offline
#9 Posted:
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That same Doctor has answered the question of why doctor's wear masks in another video. He references it in that video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S4VEIgFrgs

Here's your sign...
Brewha Offline
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So, you clowns assert that the science cannot be trusted - but suddenly trust the "science" if there is the appearance of a conspiracy.

Now I could send you to the web sites of the CDC, Mayo Clinic, etc., But hey - you guys found a YouTube Video!!!






So if WHO, CDC, Your own doctor, etc cannot be trusted because they are politically motivated - and lie to us, how do you know Dr. Moran isn't lying to us, or just plain wrong?

Riddle me this....
Brewha Offline
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KingoftheCove wrote:

At times, I find your blind ignorance absolutely astonishing.


That's a compelling argument to wearing/not wearing masks.
Were you on a debate team?
MACS Offline
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Brewha wrote:
So, you clowns assert that the science cannot be trusted - but suddenly trust the "science" if there is the appearance of a conspiracy.

Now I could send you to the web sites of the CDC, Mayo Clinic, etc., But hey - you guys found a YouTube Video!!!






So if WHO, CDC, Your own doctor, etc cannot be trusted because they are politically motivated - and lie to us, how do you know Dr. Moran isn't lying to us, or just plain wrong?

Riddle me this....


The alphabets (CDC, WHO) have something to gain from lying to you. Dr. Moran, and the studies he cites, have nothing to gain from lying to you.

Might want to watch the Robert Kennedy Jr. / Dennis Prager chat. Kennedy straight up tells you the alphabets are lying to you, in bed with the pharmaceuticals, and the FDA's budget is mostly funded by the pharmaceuticals.

But hey... you bury that head in the sand, homie.
Brewha Offline
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MACS wrote:
Dr. Moran, and the studies he cites, have nothing to gain from lying to you.



And how do you know that, Sherlock?
MACS Offline
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Brewha wrote:
And how do you know that, Sherlock?


MACS wrote:
The alphabets (CDC, WHO) have something to gain from lying to you. Dr. Moran, and the studies he cites, have nothing to gain from lying to you.

Might want to watch the Robert Kennedy Jr. / Dennis Prager chat. Kennedy straight up tells you the alphabets are lying to you, in bed with the pharmaceuticals, and the FDA's budget is mostly funded by the pharmaceuticals.

But hey... you bury that head in the sand, homie.


Reading comprehension not a strong suit, eh? Kennedy is a democrat, by the way... and he explains where it WAS against the law for the CIA to propagandize American public until Obama signed an executive order in 2016 (huh, right when Trump won) that allowed them to do it.
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Only a N95 or KN95 provided the value of lessening the spread of Covid. I couldn't wear one for more than a few minutes. They are extremely hard to breathe through. The primary way of catching Covid is through the aerosol, not surface contact or droplet contact. The various masks increased the spread of Covid. Air went up, down, right, and left instead of forward. The air that went up held aerosol that went up, not forward, thus increasing it's time in the air. The argument that the masks stopped inhalation of the aerosol doesn't fly any better than a pig. The mask's pores were significantly larger than the diameter of the aerosol. So now you had aerosol inside your masks. Also, aerosol enters through the eyes. MACS, the masks were spreading Covid.
8trackdisco Offline
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Brewha wrote:
That's a compelling argument to wearing/not wearing masks.
Were you on a debate team?


Everyone loves the science when aligns with their beliefs.

My question is always related to who funded the study, and who benefits from the result.
Brewha Offline
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8trackdisco wrote:
Everyone loves the science when aligns with their beliefs.

My question is always related to who funded the study, and who benefits from the result.


And that sir is fair enough.

I do keep seeing the pattern of people denying the widely accepted body of scientific knowledge because A) they don't like, and B) they found an enjoyable conspiracy theory.

This always (and foolishly) leads me to ask; if you can't trust mainstream science, what can you trust - and what makes these fringe theorist so credible? Of course the answer generally is that anyone who disagrees has their eye closed, are ignorant and/or are stupid. And this lack of reasonable debate underscores that all they really have is: A) they don't like, and B) they found an enjoyable conspiracy theory.

Case in point from right here in River City: "Covid Vaccines don't work because you can still get Covid".
Now no vaccine prevents you contracting a disease. In fact they can only work once the pathogen enters you body and you "get it". And no vaccine has ever been 100% effective. Yet the war cry is "Vaccines don't work".

So if the real test of stupid is people's actions that both harm themselves and those around them - well then some people don't need a sign - just read what they write.
MACS Offline
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We debated that. This shot is not, and never was a "vaccine". They changed the fn definition, for God's sake.

Vaccine/immunizations PREVENT one from contracting the disease. Were they 100% effective? Almost... I do recall tuberculosis (for a time, anyway) being damn near eradicated. Same with Polio. MMR?

Then you have Biden's administration colluding with big tech to censor and delete any opposition to "their" scientists.

Then you have the fact that they initially lied to us and told us it would stop you from getting covid, then it was ohhhh... it just lessens the severity... then it was, oooohhh but you need 2 boosters, now 3, now 4, now annually.

How often must you be lied to before you stop believing the liar?

Lately conspiracy theorists have been right far more than what the MSM and the admin have been. Call 'em spoiler alerts now, not conspiracy theories.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Brewha wrote:
And that sir is fair enough.

I do keep seeing the pattern of people denying the widely accepted body of scientific knowledge because A) they don't like, and B) they found an enjoyable conspiracy theory.

This always (and foolishly) leads me to ask; if you can't trust mainstream science, what can you trust - and what makes these fringe theorist so credible? Of course the answer generally is that anyone who disagrees has their eye closed, are ignorant and/or are stupid. And this lack of reasonable debate underscores that all they really have is: A) they don't like, and B) they found an enjoyable conspiracy theory.

Case in point from right here in River City: "Covid Vaccines don't work because you can still get Covid".
Now no vaccine prevents you contracting a disease. In fact they can only work once the pathogen enters you body and you "get it". And no vaccine has ever been 100% effective. Yet the war cry is "Vaccines don't work".

So if the real test of stupid is people's actions that both harm themselves and those around them - well then some people don't need a sign - just read what they write.



SHADDAP AND TAKE THE SHOT IN THE A$$!

https://www.air.tv/watch?v=ztDeWlKZQRO0-ApRAbrWAQ

The only stupid people are ones that like to hide their politics wrapped in Science and peddle the fear. COVID1984 was a plandemic. This was only about control. So is Climate/Global Warming. It's a scam. I'm not going to ask you to wake up, you're the useful idiot that still buys whatever someone tells you to erode the little rights you still have. Willingly.

I cannot believe you're still clinging onto the Covid lies. Even after you already know you've been lied to.
Brewha Offline
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Yes, the collective governments of the world in an unprecedented move, have all come together to lie to everyone about:
Covid
Climate change
and what else?

Just want to get the full list here....
RayR Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Yes, the collective governments of the world in an unprecedented move, have all come together to lie to everyone about:
Covid
Climate change
and what else?

Just want to get the full list here....


How about wars and the economy?

Yes, all governments lie and many times they lie collectively when they see there is mutual stolen loot and power grabs to be had.

As the dead dicktator Napoleon Bonaparte once said, "I am sometimes a fox and sometimes a lion. The whole secret of government lies in knowing when to be the one or the other."

DrMaddVibe Offline
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Now, whom referenced 1984 with regards to COVID1984
?

"This Will Make Your Blood Boil" - Biden Admin Goes Full Orwell Denying Vaxx Mandates Ever Happened



Authored by Bobbie Anne Flower Cox via The Brownstone Institute,

If you have not yet read the book 1984 by George Orwell, you absolutely must.

I loathed that novel when I read it as a teen, because I hated the entire idea of an authoritarian government controlling its people so deftly. The dystopian world it described was just so depressing, so wrong, from the first page to the last. And yet, here we are, almost 75 years after Orwell first penned the book, and we see how that hellish science fiction novel is now playing out before us.

Even the left-leaning Wikipedia describes the book as a “cautionary tale” whose theme centers on “the consequences of totalitarianism, mass surveillance and repressive regimentation of people and behaviours within society.” Modeled on the authoritarian states of Stalin’s Soviet Union and of Nazi Germany, the book takes a deep dive into the role of truth within a society, and the ways in which truth and facts can be manipulated by government to control the population.

What you saw and heard with your own eyes and your own ears, the government denied and demanded you cast it aside and not believe it.

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

― George Orwell, 1984

Through the Ministry of Truth, the government (referred to in the book as “Big Brother” or “the Party”) engages in endless propaganda, intense surveillance, and the open and obvious negating of historical fact. Individual thought, and questioning of authority led to immediate persecution. Why deny facts and rewrite history? Well, as Orwell says in the book,

“Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”

― George Orwell, 1984

Now let’s fast-forward to the present day. I will begin with this profound statement that keeps churning over in my head:

They must really think we are stupid!

The “they” is our government (federal and state). The “we” is you and me, and the other 300+ million Americans across our country.

Alas, here we are, entering the final quarter of 2023, and we have the United States government, and many state governments (including New York’s former Governor Andrew Cuomo, current left-wing Governor Kathy Hochul, and the super-majority Dem legislature) proclaiming for all to hear that they did not force anyone to do anything detrimental these past 3.5 years. UNBELIEVABLE! Did you hear this? They are actually saying with straight faces that they didn’t force you to wear a mask, or lock down and shutter your businesses, or choose between taking an experimental drug or losing your job… Nope! They did none of that. And you – well, you are flat out crazy if you think they did. You are lying. You are exaggerating and totally overreacting.

Unfortunately for Big Brother, ooops, I mean unfortunately for our 100 percent reliable, never-lies-to-us government, we have actual documents (including lawsuits), news stories, social media posts, and videos of the government at all levels mandating and forcing us to do all of those things, and more. Here’s just one example of Biden himself, the “Big Guy,” mandating the C19 shot:

Biden is not alone. No, no. His entire administration is right there with him. His head of OSHA, Douglas Parker, is also now lying through his teeth about the OSHA mandate that REQUIRED (not suggested) that all employers in the entire nation with 100 or more employees force their employees to get the C19 shot, otherwise they had to wear a mask and test constantly for C19. (That OSHA mandate was struck down by SCOTUS last year because it was unconstitutional, by the way). Then there’s the head of HHS, Xavier Becerra, saying there was never a mask mandate. What?! Another blatant lie.

Please take the 2 minutes to watch this Congressman Kevin Kiley clip. You truly won’t believe your ears with the bullsh#* these Biden agency heads are spewing! As Congressman Kiley says in the video, the government is trying to tell us that “2 + 2 doesn’t equal 4.” You don’t get much more Orwellian than that!

The Biden Administration is rewriting the history of COVID. Today, the head of OSHA claimed "we didn't demand that anyone be fired" despite issuing a worker vaccine mandate for 84 million Americans that was struck down by the Supreme Court.

Previously, HHS Secretary Becerra… pic.twitter.com/Pi3O8oUgtt
— Kevin Kiley (@KevinKileyCA) September 27, 2023

Why are they backtracking now?

Easy answers: 1) they didn’t have the authority to do any of it (all of it was unconstitutional) so they can’t justify and defend it now, and 2) if they can convince you they didn’t do it before, then you won’t mind as much when they do it again.


This should make your blood boil. It’s particularly infuriating to those of us who were speaking out from basically day one trying to tell people that the lockdowns, the masking, the shots, the limited number of people at your wedding or at your Thanksgiving table were all violations of the Constitution and our basic human rights! My colleague, Jeffrey Tucker, who is the founder and President of Brownstone Institute, where I am a Fellow, wrote an article the other day on this topic. At the end of it, he concluded:

The major media is tacitly conspiring with the political establishment, the corporate sector, and the administrative state to pretend like that fiasco was completely normal and also entirely forgettable, not even worth naming. We did the best we could with the information we had so just stop complaining about it!

This is not going to work. It is too close to living memory for this level of gaslighting to be effective. The more these official institutions engage in this crazy form of denialism, the more they discredit themselves.


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/will-make-your-blood-boil-biden-admin-goes-full-orwell-denying-vaxx-mandates-ever



Masky McFart Car...get yer boostahs! You're severely lacking!
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I think it's pretty clear and documented (now that some of the truths are coming out slowly and not being squashed) that much of the COVID stuff like mask mandates, effectiveness of masks, shot mandates, effectiveness of the shots, business shutdowns and closings, loss of jobs, and so on were way over over the top and crazy. A lot the people in play were and still continue to be 100% wrong.

Follow the money. Follow the back peddling of the politicians and the phama companies. Follow the paper trail. This is only scratching the surface. This was the biggest sham of "science" in decades.

Why do people doubt that the information given out by the government (no matter what country), mass mediea and pharma? I give you exhibit 1: The COVID crap. It was a big FUABR, The government(s) and their agencies need to do some serious damage control to try to gain public trust on things like this.

Fauci should be in jail along with all his other players that lied, covered up, and created this fiasco. Yes, he and his players helped create this virus using taxpayer money and have been lying about it from day one (see emails and documents that have his name on them). They continue to lie and try to cover their @ssses. Fauci spearheaded the fast track of a "vaccine" based on technology that has never worked in it's lifetime. This is fact not opinion.

They did so in the name of protecting the world. He loved the spotlight and headlines. He and his minions sold the "vaccine" off as the fix. After 6 or 8 months in reality, it didn't work. Fact not opinion.

Its less than a 50% effective. I could flip a coin and get better odds that it comes up heads than the odds of the effectiveness of the "vaccine." Vegas wouldn't bet on something that has a less than a 51% chance of winning. Fact not opinion.

The death toll from dying from COVID that was on the news everyday for about 2 years was false and manufactured. If you died from a car accident but tested positive of COVID, mark it up as a COVID death. Fat not opinion. That's like saying if someone died in a car accident and tested positive with an infection from a cut on their arm, they died from the infection.

They changed the definition of a "vaccine." After a couple of years here in MA they quietly changed the way COVID deaths are reported - die from COVID or die from something else but tested positive for COVID. There is a drastic difference between the two. By doing so and correcting the definition, the death rate from COVID dropped. That changes the numbers of COVID deaths to a much lower number. Fact not opinion.

I'm not anti vaccine. I've had numerous ones over my lifetime such as the childhood ones (which, by the way, I have not needed a booster in over decades). A few tetanus shots from stepping on a rusty nail or a deep cut that needed medical treatment and stitches. Note: the tetanus shot lasts like 10 yrs or so and I don't need to get one every 3 or 6 months.

Personally, I want to know what you are injecting in my body. Has it been thoroughly tested? Does it have a solid history of effectiveness? What are the side effects if any?

The truthful answers to the above questions in regards to COVID shots are: Nope or We don't know. BUT... Doctors were not allowed to answer these questions truthfully without being reprimanded or losing their license and their job. Another fact not opinion.

We all knew this stuff was wrong and the logic didn't add up. The 6 foot safety zone from other people is safe was fed to us. Meanwhile they said it travels like 30 ft even in the outdoors (WTF?). It's illegal for folks to cross state borders because the virus is hitchhiking on your clothes and body (WTF?). Only essential businesses can stay open. Essential businesses include liquor stores and convenience stores (WTF?). Why... because the the government doesn't want to lose the taxes collected by selling booze and lottery tickets. Meanwhile Mom and Pop pizza places had to close and go out of business.

Biden tried to force ALL businesses that have more than 100 employees to mandate that all employees get vaccinated or show proof of no COVID infection weekly at the employees expense. All employees of companies that get Federal money have to get the shot or be shut down. The Supreme Court had to stop such craziness and tell the world these mandates in the USA are unconstitutional.

There was so many rules, regulations, mandates that were (and some still going) wrong in many ways and even unconstitutional.

Many folks were sucked into the falsehoods and continue to take the bait that the government and mainstream media fed you.
MACS Offline
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Ol Bucky's eyes are wide open... fact not opinion.
RayR Offline
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Lying old government dicktator is having a perplexing moment. Why don't the proles believe him? How sad. Sad

Try Not To Laugh: Joe Biden Is Upset People Aren’t Getting COVID Shots

By David Rufful

Published 12 hours ago

Quote:
President Joe Biden slammed Americans for refusing to take any more experimental COVID-19 vaccine shots.

Polls show a significant number of Americans are skeptical about the safety and effectiveness of the new drug.

“We lost well over a million people,” Biden said. “And as time began to move on, you had more and more voices saying, ‘No, no, no. You don’t need to get that shot. You don’t need to be — get — you don’t need to.’” (Trending: Woman Raised in USSR Says Biden’s DOJ Acts Like KGB)

“And we have a new strain of COVID now, and we have answers for it,” Biden claimed.

“But I just would urge those in public life and both political parties or no political party to be cautious about the ac- — the sometimes inflammatory things you say about this, because people’s lives are at stake,” he said.

The World Health Organization says 1,127,152 Americans died from COVID.

Critics say there is an untold amount of fraud included in this data. (Trending: Trump Makes The Biggest Promise Of His Political Career)

“I’m so excited to take 9 booster shots,” Rep. Majorie Taylor Greene said sarcatically.

“They’ll do whatever they can to control us,” another person said.

More...

https://www.americainsider.org/2023/10/04/try-not-to-laugh-joe-biden-is-upset-people-arent-getting-covid-shots/



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