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8trackdisco Offline
#1 Posted:
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In my mind, the first party to drop their Old Man for someone under 65 will win the 2024 general election.

If both parties keep their Leader From the Crypt, the No Labels Party gets onto the field and things at least get interesting. Hope might be too much to ask, but knowing a reasonable person could theoretically become president and the country would begin healing.

Currently, the Dems are ruining their chances of victory by trying to knock Trump out of the race.
The Republicans have a better chance beating the Weekend at Bernie’s, but keep trying to kick him to the curb a multitude of ways.

For you Dems, are you semi secretly (until now) hoping a non-Biden Dem becomes the nominee?
Republicans and Trumpers, are you seeing an opportunity for a new, non orange blood at the top of the ticket?

And if not now, under what circumstance would you drop your Trump or Biden?
drglnc Offline
#2 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
In my mind, the first party to drop their Old Man for someone under 65 will win the 2024 general election.

If both parties keep their Leader From the Crypt, the No Labels Party gets onto the field and things at least get interesting. Hope might be too much to ask, but knowing a reasonable person could theoretically become president and the country would begin healing.

Currently, the Dems are ruining their chances of victory by trying to knock Trump out of the race.
The Republicans have a better chance beating the Weekend at Bernie’s, but keep trying to kick him to the curb a multitude of ways.

For you Dems, are you semi secretly (until now) hoping a non-Biden Dem becomes the nominee?
Republicans and Trumpers, are you seeing an opportunity for a new, non orange blood at the top of the ticket?

And if not now, under what circumstance would you drop your Trump or Biden?


I would LOVE for a valid candidate under 60 to appear for the DEMs... or any non Biden Candidate for that matter as i think the country will not step away from extreme tribalism until both Biden and Trump are out of the picture... i believe Biden could beat trump again... doubtful he beats anyone else on the Republican ticket other then maybe Ramaswamy and Desantis... i feel that if the GOP put up Nikki H. they may even get some Dem votes and probably most of the swings.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#3 Posted:
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Fossil makes perfectly nice watches. No need to give them up
ZRX1200 Offline
#4 Posted:
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The candidates are a symptom of the polarization not a cause…if you keep rooting for status quo you’re gonna get more and keep pointing your fingers at the same thing expecting a different outcome.
8trackdisco Offline
#5 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
The candidates are a symptom of the polarization not a cause…


Understand and agree with you.

What would be your answer to my posted question?

Would you relinquish your support of Trump if it meant a Republican would win the White House?


8trackdisco Offline
#6 Posted:
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80+ views and only one person, a Democrat, in a Politics forum which is probably 88.2% Republican is the only guy to even post a consideration of a candidate not named Biden or Trump.

Even I'm surprised in the complete inflexabilty of thought outside the box you created for yourselves.

Good luck.

DrMaddVibe Offline
#7 Posted:
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Posts: 55,444
Remember that time a Kennedy ran for the DNC and they acted like he wasn't?


That




Was



AWE-SOME!

8trackdisco Offline
#8 Posted:
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Posts: 60,082
DrMaddVibe wrote:
Remember that time a Kennedy ran for the DNC and they acted like he wasn't?


That




Was



AWE-SOME!



DMV,
With respect, would you be the first Republican on this thread to actually answer the question?
HockeyDad Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,137
8trackdisco wrote:
80+ views and only one person, a Democrat, in a Politics forum which is probably 88.2% Republican is the only guy to even post a consideration of a candidate not named Biden or Trump.

Even I'm surprised in the complete inflexabilty of thought outside the box you created for yourselves.

Good luck.



Did you ever consider the fact that there is no candidate not named Biden or Trump? It’s kinda like asking what would you do if it snowed in Houston in August.


OK, since you’re fishing for a Republican answer let’s assume Trump is imprisoned or assassinated and now the door is open.

I would prefer DeSantis by far but might get stuck with 2011 World Economic Forum Young Global Leader Nikki Haley.

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#10 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
DMV,
With respect, would you be the first Republican on this thread to actually answer the question?


I'm already to be quoted on this:

I'm never voting for a Democrat ever again.

Trump quite possibly is the only guy qualified to get America back on track.

8trackdisco Offline
#11 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I'm already to be quoted on this:

I'm never voting for a Democrat ever again.

Trump quite possibly is the only guy qualified to get America back on track.



All in, Trump. Nobody else. Noted.

Thank you, DMV.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#12 Posted:
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Coming up on 8yrs with the same endless argument. I'd be cool with at least switching for new names. Don't even care who. Carrot Top vs Mr Hankey the Christmas Poo would be fine
HockeyDad Offline
#13 Posted:
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Electing Carrot Top is an existential threat to Democracy.

Mr Hankey the Christmas Poo Would be a strong candidate because he recognizes the impacts of climate change and understands the urgency.
RayR Online
#14 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I'm already to be quoted on this:

I'm never voting for a Democrat ever again.

Trump quite possibly is the only guy qualified to get America back on track.



I'd vote for a Grover Cleveland Democrat but I don't think any exist anymo9re. If there were,the Demo-Bolsheviks would cancel them.

rfenst Offline
#15 Posted:
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I will primary vote for anyone (Haley) over Trump, but NEVER Desantis.
In the general election I hope my choice is between Bidden and Haley as I would vote for her over him in a heart-beat.
Ram27 Offline
#16 Posted:
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Haley has my vote.
MACS Offline
#17 Posted:
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Ram27 wrote:
Haley has my vote.


Swamp creature. Part of the WEF and funded by Klaus Schwab. No only no, but **** no.
8trackdisco Offline
#18 Posted:
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This is the type of dialog I was hoping for. Well, maybe not Hockeydad’s, although his snarky cynicism is on brand.

For me, for the moment, it is either JFK Jr. Or Haley. Wisconsin is on the backside of the election cycle so likely it be decided before I get to the booth.

The wildcard in this is the threat of the No Labels party getting into the ring if Biden and Trump are doing a rematch.
MACS Offline
#19 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
I will primary vote for anyone (Haley) over Trump, but NEVER Desantis.
In the general election I hope my choice is between Bidden and Haley as I would vote for her over him in a heart-beat.


Why would you even vote in a rep primary? You're clearly a lefty.
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#20 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Why would you even vote in a rep primary? You're clearly a lefty.


Only fools and dead people never change their minds. He’d prefer Halley over Biden. That is refreshing, just like the other Democrat who would prefer almost any other Democrat over Biden. No hint of that flexible mindset upon the Trumpians.

That creaking sound is the balcony full of Better Dead Than Not Vote Trump Red, people. That balcony (which reminds me of the old farts in the balcony of the Muppet Show) which will eventually collapse.

Who are we kidding. It started collapsing with the 2020 election, then more so after the 2022 mid terms, and again in the small group of 2023 elections. Heck even Ohio went Pro Choice. Trying to mandate women’s uteruses and All Trump All the Time peeps are going to knock the Republicans to a knee again.

Republicans have to evolve or die in the coming election cycle. They didn’t learn the last three times, so there are fast forwarding to taking their 4th L in a row. Thumping their chest along the way.

But they can say they held their position to grim death. fog Winning? Nope.
rfenst Offline
#21 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Why would you even vote in a rep primary? You're clearly a lefty.


I am a registered Republican because there is not one, single, non-Republican, elected official in my county (Seminole).

Every Republican who is on the county ballot wins. Period.

Registering as a Republican allows me to vote in the Primaries to choose the final Republican candidate. Those Primaries are effectively the REAL election.

I want my vote to count.

rfenst Offline
#22 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
The wildcard in this is the threat of the No Labels party getting into the ring if Biden and Trump are doing a rematch.

If Liz Cheney were to run, would you consider voting for her?
I would.
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#23 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
If Liz Cheney were to run, would you consider voting for her?
I would.


No Considering her voting stance since taking office, she's a wolf in sheeps clothing and I never liked her dad's Policys when he was in politics... wanna go hunting?? d'oh! Herfing
RiverRatRuss Offline
#24 Posted:
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8, I grew up in a Republican Household. my Dad was a Precinct committeeman in Peoria IL growing up.

for years I voted straight republican until the Regan era and looking back and being so young to not realize Regan had his **** together... I voted for Ross Parot... d'oh! this put Clinton in Office and we all know what happened in his politics two terms... d'oh!

I worked the Allan Keys Campaign for Senate here in Illinlos when the Illinois repbub party put him on the ballet late running against Obama, Obama during the campaign lost every debate with Keys, yet voted in as Senator? I then worked on Mike Psak Campaign for Senate against Dinosaur Durbin/ during Mikes run we had a meeting towards the end of campaign were Mike says, Durbans People reached out to him and offered him $5M to drop out? he says he did not accept the offers from the Illinois DNC? but you could feel the momentum shift leading up to election night?? Now last I heard Mike Psak left the states for a teaching job in Japan. Think

I have since been an Independent thinker and see there really is NOT a two party system in our Government any longer!!!

But Faith has myself leaning towards a Nikki Hailey Vote if she lasts??
rfenst Offline
#25 Posted:
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RiverRatRuss wrote:
No Considering her voting stance since taking office, she's a wolf in sheeps clothing and I never liked her dad's Policys when he was in politics... wanna go hunting?? d'oh! Herfing

Which voting stance(s)?
RayR Online
#26 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
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I heard NEOCON NIKKI is a war monger, George W. Bush and ****** Cheney in heels, a scalawag, a neoliberal, she wants the federal government to control free speech, she wants to force social media companies to spy on all their users, and end anonymity so they can collect useful information for the spy agencies in the swamp in case there are foreign BOTS in there, you know... spreading disinformation.

Tucker Carlson said Nikki Haley should not be in charge of anything, "Because, the second things get intense, the second the other side really unleashes and starts yelling so loudly that you can’t think clearly, I want a leader who can still think clearly.”

I agree, as she has done before, as soon as the noisy nimrods on the left get to screaming, she'll change her position 180 degrees, says we all need to feel their pain and share collective guilt and then make excuses why she needs to cave to their demands.

https://theiowastandard.com/tucker-warned-iowans-nikki-haley-should-not-be-in-charge-of-anything-due-to-personal-and-painful-for-everyone-tweet-regarding-george-floyd/

Yep, from the killings done by Dylann Roof which led to Haley having the Confederate battle flag taken down from the South Carolina statehouse, which was a complete reversal from her earlier position on the flag to George Floyd, you can only count on her to stand for nothing and cave to the left.
MACS Offline
#27 Posted:
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See... I stayed out of this thread because that Trumpian moniker pisses me off.

His policies were working. No new wars. Peace treaty in the middle east. Secure border. Unemployment down.

And this, despite the fact the media, big tech, and the political establishment lied, cheated and made sh*t up to get him out of office. It didn't work, so then they made up more sh*t about an insurrection and have rogue DA's filing bogus lawsuits while 2 states have tried to get him off the ballot completely...

Let's not forget the PLANdemic they unleashed on the world when all else was failing and they needed fear to control the weak minded.

Every president BUT Trump had their net worth go UP in office. He can't be bought and the asspipes on both sides of the aisle don't want him upsetting their freebie apple cart.

Voted for him twice. Will do so again, given the opportunity. You think that makes me a Trumpian? Because I didn't believe the lies and I support a guy whose policies had us doing a lot better than the current demented, treasonous criminal?

Okay.
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#28 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
If Liz Cheney were to run, would you consider voting for her?
I would.


Consider it? Sure. The only people I’ve truly ruled out are Biden, Ramaswarmy, and Trump. I would eliminate Christie as well, but he’s got the most electable position on abortion of all the reds.
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#29 Posted:
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RiverRatRuss wrote:
8, I grew up in a Republican Household. my Dad was a Precinct committeeman in Peoria IL growing up.

for years I voted straight republican until the Regan era and looking back and being so young to not realize Regan had his **** together... I voted for Ross Parot... d'oh! this put Clinton in Office and we all know what happened in his politics two terms... d'oh!

I worked the Allan Keys Campaign for Senate here in Illinlos when the Illinois repbub party put him on the ballet late running against Obama, Obama during the campaign lost every debate with Keys, yet voted in as Senator? I then worked on Mike Psak Campaign for Senate against Dinosaur Durbin/ during Mikes run we had a meeting towards the end of campaign were Mike says, Durbans People reached out to him and offered him $5M to drop out? he says he did not accept the offers from the Illinois DNC? but you could feel the momentum shift leading up to election night?? Now last I heard Mike Psak left the states for a teaching job in Japan. Think

I have since been an Independent thinker and see there really is NOT a two party system in our Government any longer!!!

But Faith has myself leaning towards a Nikki Hailey Vote if she lasts??


My moms side were all Dems. Dads was right of center, but in the end voted for Dems and Reps almost equally.
I also voted for Perot. Voting for him did Not put Clinton in the WH. It’s was Bush, with his Read My Lip, No New Taxes. We know how THAT turned out.

I’ve only voted for one Republican for president one time since I voted for that lying Batturd in 88, and never voted for a Dem presidential candidate for president.

Keeping an open mind (a real oddity in this forum) and evolve as the process works it’s way along.

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#30 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
See... I stayed out of this thread because that Trumpian moniker pisses me off.

His policies were working. No new wars. Peace treaty in the middle east. Secure border. Unemployment down.

And this, despite the fact the media, big tech, and the political establishment lied, cheated and made sh*t up to get him out of office. It didn't work, so then they made up more sh*t about an insurrection and have rogue DA's filing bogus lawsuits while 2 states have tried to get him off the ballot completely...

Let's not forget the PLANdemic they unleashed on the world when all else was failing and they needed fear to control the weak minded.

Every president BUT Trump had their net worth go UP in office. He can't be bought and the asspipes on both sides of the aisle don't want him upsetting their freebie apple cart.

Voted for him twice. Will do so again, given the opportunity. You think that makes me a Trumpian? Because I didn't believe the lies and I support a guy whose policies had us doing a lot better than the current demented, treasonous criminal?

Okay.


Happy you chimed in. I’m with you on part of it. The policies like the border being secured, the no fly list, finding a way to get us out of the Middle East (forget we’ve got troops in several sandy countries still today).

Where we are different is on January 6. When he said “we” are going to March to the capitol, and let chit get out of hand and when he could have called everyone to stand down, there wouldn’t have anything near a conversation on whether this met the criteria of an insurrection. Add to that calling election officials on Georgia to find 12,000 votes.

There is an oath about protecting against all threats, foreign and domestic. Would have hated to see how that all could have potentially gone down if he decided to stay in office.

Hate the potential position retired veterans would have felt compelled to do if the whole thing took one more step onto the brink.
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#31 Posted:
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My parents have always been independents. They didn't want to be tied to any single party. When I was young, I once asked my Mom who she voted for. She explained to me that voting is a personal and private right. A personal and private choice that nobody can take away you. She wouldn't tell me. "I don't have to tell you, I don't have to even have to tell your Dad who I voted for". I asked the same question to my Dad. I got a similar answer. They weren't scolding me. They were just teaching me that voting is a private right and you should always vote on voting day no matter what.

They never revealed to me who they voted for. I respected that attitude and embrace it in my attitude. With that said, based on their behavior I would be pretty confident in guessing that they are right leaning on many issues but also left leaning on other issues.

I too am registered as non-affiliated or unenrolled (I think one of those is the label they use in MA rather than independent). I've voted for Dems, Repubs, Independents... I vote with my conscience, beliefs, and for the person rather than blindly vote for any particular party. With that said, I lean to the right on my fiscal side of things and to the left in my social side of things. Be fiscally conservative and socially liberal (to a point on both issues). Both major parties have gone pretty wacky on the extremes of these issues in recent history which I don't like.

Here in MA, my vote doesn't really count when it comes to federal elections. MA is heavily and deeply in the pocket of the Dems for federal positions. Deeply in the pocket of the Dems for state positions. Pretty much in the pocket of the Dems for local positions.

The western part of the state and smaller towns have a good portion or balance between right and left but they are primarily over ruled by the more populated towns and cities within the of the state that are heavily Democrats. Knowing that my vote doesn't really count much for the larger elections (I do write ins like Daffy Duck, My Dog, a name of a respected friend, etc...), I try to focus my real votes on local elections, regional elections and referendums where my vote might actually count.
RayR Online
#32 Posted:
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rfenst, do you consider yourself in your mind a conservative? I mean you admitted you'd consider voting for one of those FAUX-CONS, Nikki Haley or Liz Cheney who aside from pandering to Republicans on domestic issues on how terrible Biden's policies are, when push comes to shove, would just assume do the lefts bidding then stick up for any true conservative principles.

Although she has said she is “pro-life,”, She even has called for a “national consensus” when it comes to a federal abortion ban. I thought the overturning of Roe vs Wade sent the abortion issue back to the states where if anywhere it belongs and not nationalizing it.

She wasn't very good at being “pro-life" when she was in the U.N. either.as this article points out.

Nikki Haley Is No Conservative
by Austin Ruse

https://crisismagazine.com/opinion/nikki-haley-is-no-conservative

Nikki Haley criticizes Republican congressman and senators for being spend thrifts and blaming them for their part in driving up the national debt, which is true enough but at the same time supporting interventionist foreign polices overseas that has cost trillions of dollars and American lives.

This op-ed points out her dangerous authoritarian impulses also which I agree she has.

EDITORIAL: Nikki Haley, a foreign policy hawk and foe of free speech, isn't a great alternative to Trump or Biden

Opinion by The Whittier Daily News, Calif.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/editorial-nikki-haley-a-foreign-policy-hawk-and-foe-of-free-speech-isnt-a-great-alternative-to-trump-or-biden/ar-AA1kjqeY

MACS Offline
#33 Posted:
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Brother... that "insurrection" was a setup. Watch the newly released videos. Watch some of the congressional hearings with the FBI where they have no idea how many of their "operatives" were in that crowd.

Why were the entirety of those tapes not released immediately to show everything? Then they couldn't sell the "insurrection".

I don't trust our government. Not the D's or the R's. I do trust my eyes. Why the hell would ANY billionaire subject himself to the BS Trump has gone through at the hands of our government and its cronies in the media and big tech? Most would have rolled over, quit fighting, and went about their happy lives with their billions of dollars.

Can we agree the Russian Hoax was paid for by Hillary? Can we agree Schiff lied through his teeth to get the second impeachment going? Can we agree that the media is, and was, against him from jump street? Can we agree that raiding Mar-A-Lago was BS and then the subsequent hush that fell over the media when Biden had classified docs, too?

You get punched in the face, you curl into a ball or you punch back? He's been punched repeatedly and he keeps punching back.

Imagine, if you will... what could have been if they just accepted the loss and didn't try all the BS they tried.
RiverRatRuss Offline
#34 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Which voting stance(s)?


Her Stance on Policy's do not line up with mine. I'll just leave it at that Herfing


http://politicsthatwork.com/voting-record/Liz-Cheney-412732



https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/liz_cheney/412732/report-card/2020
RiverRatRuss Offline
#35 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Brother... that "insurrection" was a setup. Watch the newly released videos. Watch some of the congressional hearings with the FBI where they have no idea how many of their "operatives" were in that crowd.

Why were the entirety of those tapes not released immediately to show everything? Then they couldn't sell the "insurrection".

I don't trust our government. Not the D's or the R's. I do trust my eyes. Why the hell would ANY billionaire subject himself to the BS Trump has gone through at the hands of our government and its cronies in the media and big tech? Most would have rolled over, quit fighting, and went about their happy lives with their billions of dollars.

Can we agree the Russian Hoax was paid for by Hillary? Can we agree Schiff lied through his teeth to get the second impeachment going? Can we agree that the media is, and was, against him from jump street? Can we agree that raiding Mar-A-Lago was BS and then the subsequent hush that fell over the media when Biden had classified docs, too?

You get punched in the face, you curl into a ball or you punch back? He's been punched repeatedly and he keeps punching back.

Imagine, if you will... what could have been if they just accepted the loss and didn't try all the BS they tried.


^ Agreed, I liked allot of Trumps policy's and had he been left alone (or is he would have stayed off of Twitter it would have been better for him, because this Liberal Media with their own agenda's used and are using EVERY WORD the man says as Cannon Fodder at this point and if America would wake up. Our Constitution is really what's going on Trial Here!!!
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#36 Posted:
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While worrying about whether the Republicans can win, perhaps the question is do the Republicans want to win.

2008 McCain/Palin

2012 Romney/Ryan

2016 The Republican Party political and donor classes did everything they could think of to block Trump from winning the nomination including a brokered convention. They were fine with losing to Hilary Clinton to keep Trump out.

2020 Hard to keep track anymore about how many factions colluded to get Trump out of office. In most nations we would call it a bloodless coup. We should be happy that we still have the right to vote.

2022 Red Wave. (#winning)

2024 once again the Republican political and donor classes are lining up against Trump to keep him out and have Nikki Haley lose to Joe Biden. The Democrats are happily working along side them to throw Trump in prison.


Trump’s screwed this up and the Republican Party wants to get back to honorably losing and playing the role of the opposition.
RiverRatRuss Offline
#37 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
While worrying about whether the Republicans can win, perhaps the question is do the Republicans want to win.

2008 McCain/Palin

2012 Romney/Ryan

2016 The Republican Party political and donor classes did everything they could think of to block Trump from winning the nomination including a brokered convention. They were fine with losing to Hilary Clinton to keep Trump out.

2020 Hard to keep track anymore about how many factions colluded to get Trump out of office. In most nations we would call it a bloodless coup. We should be happy that we still have the right to vote.

2022 Red Wave. (#winning)

2024 once again the Republican political and donor classes are lining up against Trump to keep him out and have Nikki Haley lose to Joe Biden. The Democrats are happily working along side them to throw Trump in prison.


Trump’s screwed this up and the Republican Party wants to get back to honorably losing and playing the role of the opposition.



^Exactly there really isn't a Dem Vs. Repub two party system in America any longer the two party system is Corporate Vs. The American People...

Rebubs have been faltering for years I basically call most of them "Wolves in Sheep Clothing" and they are not hard to spot any longer because they do not see any repercussions to their actions as long as they stay with the DC agenda's... there will be no reprisals!!! and if it looks like they might lose their constituents in the coming elections? they change the voting district maps for their area's... Think
8trackdisco Offline
#38 Posted:
Joined: 11-06-2004
Posts: 60,082
MACS wrote:
Brother... that "insurrection" was a setup. Watch the newly released videos. Watch some of the congressional hearings with the FBI where they have no idea how many of their "operatives" were in that crowd.

Why were the entirety of those tapes not released immediately to show everything? Then they couldn't sell the "insurrection".

I don't trust our government. Not the D's or the R's. I do trust my eyes. Why the hell would ANY billionaire subject himself to the BS Trump has gone through at the hands of our government and its cronies in the media and big tech? Most would have rolled over, quit fighting, and went about their happy lives with their billions of dollars.

Can we agree the Russian Hoax was paid for by Hillary? Can we agree Schiff lied through his teeth to get the second impeachment going? Can we agree that the media is, and was, against him from jump street? Can we agree that raiding Mar-A-Lago was BS and then the subsequent hush that fell over the media when Biden had classified docs, too?

You get punched in the face, you curl into a ball or you punch back? He's been punched repeatedly and he keeps punching back.

Imagine, if you will... what could have been if they just accepted the loss and didn't try all the BS they tried.


The Insurrection or Non Insurrection. In short (for me) is you don’t have discuss how many operatives were there, or how much video there is of this or that, if he didn’t light the initial fuse. The root cause was him saying We are going to march on the capitol. He doesn’t do that, none of the other stuff happens. And he reveled in it. It’s all a Scarface like power kick for him. Not only did he start it, he chose not to stop it.

Do I trust of government? Easy one. No. Period.

Was the Russia Hoax paid for by Hillary? I don’t know or care. Hillary is at the top of the least trustworthy politicians ever. She is America’s Rasputin. I want five autopsies on her from five different, unrelated sources to prove she is actually dead.

Schiff? A guy who I watched once or twice and makes my blood boil, so I don’t know.

Media? Nothing was better for Fox and MSNBC than Trump as president. They both benefited financially. Anybody who watches the majority of their political content from either source cares more for spin than they do for knowledge. I challenge anyone to take in multiple resources of media to get different perspectives, and challenge what you believe. As much as people bicth about the left and the echo chamber on MSNBC and CNN, Fox and CigarBid are just as echoey on the right. All of us have played a role in chasing out 98.2% of the voices of the left from Cbid. Are we now better for it? Nope. You’ll never learn anything new if you surround yourself with people who agree with you all of the time. There aren’t any sources without a bias, but with some due diligence, you can find some with a limited bias. Which helps expand your view and get to understand nuance and different perspectives. It isn’t a zero sum game. One person isn’t right and the other person has to be wrong.

Raiding Mar A Lago. 100% in favor of it. From my understanding, he knowingly left the WH with documents he shouldn’t have. And wtf is this “he was negotiating the return of the documents”. You don’t negotiate chit. You shouldn’t have them. If, by total accident, you inadvertently found them in you procession at home, you find the fastest and securely available source to get them back as priority 1. Biden did it too?! IDGAF. He shouldn’t have done it either. Comparing your political messiah to your political devil only sets you up for a low bar of moral equivalency and is intellectually lazy. If we were in first grade, it still wouldn’t hold water with the teacher.

Punch for punch? An eye for an eye? That is where we are as a country. How are you enjoying it? We are getting, sicker, angrier and we’ve never had this level of Death By Despair in our history. We are on a decidedly unhealthy track. Having Weekend at Bernie’s or 15 Diet Cokes a Day Guy doesn’t help us get better.
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#39 Posted:
Joined: 09-02-2022
Posts: 1,035
8trackdisco wrote:
The Insurrection or Non Insurrection. In short (for me) is you don’t have discuss how many operatives were there, or how much video there is of this or that, if he didn’t light the initial fuse. The root cause was him saying We are going to march on the capitol. He doesn’t do that, none of the other stuff happens. And he reveled in it. It’s all a Scarface like power kick for him. Not only did he start it, he chose not to stop it.

Do I trust of government? Easy one. No. Period.

Was the Russia Hoax paid for by Hillary? I don’t know or care. Hillary is at the top of the least trustworthy politicians ever. She is America’s Rasputin. I want five autopsies on her from five different, unrelated sources to prove she is actually dead.

Schiff? A guy who I watched once or twice and makes my blood boil, so I don’t know.

Media? Nothing was better for Fox and MSNBC than Trump as president. They both benefited financially. Anybody who watches the majority of their political content from either source cares more for spin than they do for knowledge. I challenge anyone to take in multiple resources of media to get different perspectives, and challenge what you believe. As much as people bicth about the left and the echo chamber on MSNBC and CNN, Fox and CigarBid are just as echoey on the right. All of us have played a role in chasing out 98.2% of the voices of the left from Cbid. Are we now better for it? Nope. You’ll never learn anything new if you surround yourself with people who agree with you all of the time. There aren’t any sources without a bias, but with some due diligence, you can find some with a limited bias. Which helps expand your view and get to understand nuance and different perspectives. It isn’t a zero sum game. One person isn’t right and the other person has to be wrong.

Raiding Mar A Lago. 100% in favor of it. From my understanding, he knowingly left the WH with documents he shouldn’t have. And wtf is this “he was negotiating the return of the documents”. You don’t negotiate chit. You shouldn’t have them. If, by total accident, you inadvertently found them in you procession at home, you find the fastest and securely available source to get them back as priority 1. Biden did it too?! IDGAF. He shouldn’t have done it either. Comparing your political messiah to your political devil only sets you up for a low bar of moral equivalency and is intellectually lazy. If we were in first grade, it still wouldn’t hold water with the teacher.

Punch for punch? An eye for an eye? That is where we are as a country. How are you enjoying it? We are getting, sicker, angrier and we’ve never had this level of Death By Despair in our history. We are on a decidedly unhealthy track. Having Weekend at Bernie’s or 15 Diet Cokes a Day Guy doesn’t help us get better.



^ Well said 8... Herfing
MACS Offline
#40 Posted:
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Posts: 79,796
I've been saying for years FOX is not right wing. AT ALL. They are just less leftist than the rest of them, so it seems that way.

Any news channel on mainstream media just irritates the sheit out of me. I do not watch any of them.
Farticus Offline
#41 Posted:
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Posts: 20
The only way I would ever vote for Biden is if Trump or the freakish Vivek is the Republican nominee. If the Republicans are dumb enough to run either of them they deserve to lose.

Then again I don’t think the cops shot Ms. Babbitt in the face for no reason but the cops that killed George Floyd were just doing their job. I’m craaaazzzzy.

I am also FARTICUS
RayR Online
#42 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
Posts: 8,895
Farticus wrote:
The only way I would ever vote for Biden is if Trump or the freakish Vivek is the Republican nominee. If the Republicans are dumb enough to run either of them they deserve to lose.

Then again I don’t think the cops shot Ms. Babbitt in the face for no reason but the cops that killed George Floyd were just doing their job. I’m craaaazzzzy.

I am also FARTICUS


Farti, anybody who would vote for Biden under any circumstances is craaaazzzzy!
Farticus Offline
#43 Posted:
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Just about as crazy as nominating the only person that would drive anyone to vote for Biden.

I am FARTICUS!
DrafterX Offline
#44 Posted:
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Posts: 98,555
I'm amazed by people who choose their personal hatred of a man over God and Country... Mellow
Farticus Offline
#45 Posted:
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Better than someone who worships a man who is godless and horrible for our country.

I am Farticus!

DrafterX Offline
#46 Posted:
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I heard Biden supporters hit their puppy-dogs in da mouf... and stuff... Mellow
RayR Online
#47 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
Posts: 8,895
Farti is trying to make a fallacious argument by only appealing to our emotions to arouse fear. Fear is the mind-killer, persuasion by only appealing to emotion destroys reason.
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