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Psychology of Cigars
PMoreno349 Offline
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After reading a number of posting, I was suprised by they distinctive culture that seems to have developed with the regulars who post here. There is a wealth of intelligent wit and civility. Maybe some of you more experienced cigar smokers can help me understand why cigars are so fascinating.
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For one, they have a lot of history. The art of cigar making hasn't changed in centuries, which makes them one of the few pleasures in life that is timeless. :o)
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Thanks for the reply. I was afraid that the question would seem naive, or inane. However, I am astounded by how captivated I am by reading other people's descriptions of certain cigars and comparing that to my own experience which may vary quite a bit depending on things like mood, time of day, drink, etc...
I am relatively new to cigars, having been smoking them for about 1 year.
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I've never been one to give those wine tasting labels to cigars. Perhaps I just lack the ability to taste all those hints of this and that, although I do seem to do a pretty good job with wine and food! ;o)

For me I can tell the difference between good and great, strong and mild as well as dog rocket or wooden dowel! LOL!

I agree that it does have a lot to do with mood, time of day etc. Sometimes even the best cigar in the world tastes like crap if you are not into it, and some of my most memorable smokes have often been nothing too terribly expensive, just the right place at the right time, a great evening with good friends etc.
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Good answer Goose!...I agree 100%
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More Than a Cigar


Sigmund Freud, the Father of Psychoanalysis, Revered His Cigars and Defended His Right to Smoke Above All Else




by Evan J. Elkin








When Sigmund Freud's nephew Harry declined a cigar at age 17, his illustrious uncle started as if thunderstruck. He paused and then, weighing his words carefully, admonished Harry: "My boy, smoking is one of the greatest and cheapest enjoyments in life, and if you decide in advance not to smoke, I can only feel sorry for you." (Freud: A Life for Our Time. Peter Gay, 1989, Anchor Books/Doubleday.) For Freud, the decision not to smoke was surprising, even illogical. Indeed, one can hardly think of Freud, father of psychoanalysis, without thinking of cigars. He was seldom photographed without a cigar in his hand, which is no surprise, since he typically smoked 20 per day. As he wrote, analyzed patients and took his daily walks, Freud smoked continually.



The memories of those that knew him are often recalled through the haze and aroma of cigar smoke. Raymond De Saussure, a psychoanalyst who was himself analyzed by Freud in the 1920s, reminisced that the smell of Freud's cigar wafting through the consulting room provided a special sensory connection to the therapist as the patient lay on the couch during a session. Freud sat behind his patients, completely hidden from view, an arrangement that is typical of the psychoanalytic situation even today because it is thought to cultivate a regressed feeling and facilitate free association. In Freud As We Knew Him, edited by Hendrik Ruitenbeek, De Saussure recalls: "One was won over by the atmosphere of his office, a rather dark room, which opened onto a courtyard. Light came not from the windows but from the brilliance of that lucid, discerning mind. Contact was established only by means of his voice and the odor of the cigars he ceaselessly smoked."



Not everyone was as enamored with Freud's cigar smoking as De Saussure. Freud's son Martin recalled watching his mother prepare the conference table for his father's famous weekly meetings. She carefully placed an ashtray from his father's prized collection in front of each chair. He learned the reason behind all the ashtrays one evening when he returned home just as the meeting was concluding. Martin described the room as "so thick with smoke it seemed a wonder that human beings had been able to live in it for hours, let alone speak in it without choking."



But it was from the smoke-filled atmosphere of these meetings that the field of psychoanalysis emerged. In the fall of 1902, Sigmund Freud and a group of his colleagues had begun meeting every Wednesday evening in Freud's home at 19 Bergasse in Vienna. This "Wednesday Psychological Society," later renamed the Vienna Psycho-Analytical Society, was a lively forum where Freud and his inner circle discussed and sometimes aggressively debated ideas, charting new directions in psychoanalytic theory and practice. The meetings took place around a long table in the waiting area outside Freud's consulting room. The door always remained open so that members had a view of Freud's famous couch with the armchair behind it, the enormous collection of Egyptian and Greek antiquities and the books that lined the walls from floor to ceiling.



Freud originally contrived the weekly meetings as a chance to try out his latest theories on a hand-picked audience of critical young minds. Like a star performer and the patriarch that he was, Freud always waited until the group was fully assembled and Martha Freud had finished serving black coffee and cigars, before making his grand entrance. With characteristic self-confidence he presented his new ideas forcefully, as though they were foregone conclusions. His colleagues sat scribbling notes feverishly, puffing on their cigars, champing at the bit for their chance to disagree with him. The sweet smell of cigar smoke and the aroma of coffee permeated the lofty intellectual atmosphere.



For Freud and his followers the ritual and pleasure of cigar smoking were inextricably intertwined with psychoanalysis. And for Freud himself cigars were rich in symbolic value. In fact, contrary to the quote attributed to him, for Freud a cigar was never just a cigar. Cigars and smoking are central to understanding Freud's life, his work and his own personality. And given Freud's conviction that he could not work without them, without cigars there may not have been psychoanalysis.



Cigars were among other things a family affair. Freud began smoking when he was 24 years old, following in the footsteps of his father, who was himself a smoker right up to age 81. Jacob Freud typified the Austrian fin-de-siècle work ethic, toiling long hours in his fabric business and struggling to support his family. From early on, young Sigmund associated his father's smoking with his great capacity for hard work and self-control.



In his old age Freud was quoted as saying: "[cigars have] served me for precisely fifty years as protection and a weapon in the combat of life...I owe to the cigar a great intensification of my capacity to work and a facilitation of my self-control." Clearly Freud saw a connection between cigars, patrician authority and success. In a letter to a colleague, according to Freud: Living and Dying, by Max Schur, M.D., Freud affectionately referred to cigars as arbeitsmittel or "workstuff," a clever play on the German word for food: lebensmittel. Cigars, he believed, were a form of sustenance and a catalyst for his work.



In his own case at least, Freud may have been right: he had an astonishing capacity for work. He conducted a full-time clinical practice for much of his career, published hundreds of essays and books, regularly lectured at universities, served as chief editor for a number of psychoanalytic journals and maintained an enormous regular correspondence with several friends and colleagues. His staggering accomplishments are in large part due to the rigidity with which Freud organized his time.



Freud maintained a highly ritualized daily schedule that did not vary significantly for nearly 50 years. He awoke at 7 a.m. and saw psychoanalytic patients from 8 a.m. to noon. After a midday meal with his family, he walked around his neighborhood for an hour, during which time he typically visited his neighborhood tobacconist. (For much of his life Freud kept a diary in which, among other things, he meticulously recorded his visits to the tobacconist and cigar purchases.) He then made consultations and worked with patients until 7 p.m. Following his evening meal, Freud often played cards with his sister-in-law Minna Bernays, or took a walk to a neighborhood cafe where he would smoke and read the paper. At 9 or 10, Freud withdrew to his study where he did his editorial work and wrote manuscripts, correspondence and lectures until well past midnight. All the while he smoked. Cigars were so deeply woven into the fabric of Freud's daily ritual that he literally smoked them from the time he awoke to the time he went to bed.



Obtaining good cigars, however, was no easy task. In turn-of-the-century Vienna, the Austrian government maintained strict control over the tobacco industry, and so Freud's cigar options were quite limited. According to The Diary of Sigmund Freud 1929-1939: A Record of the Final Decade, translated by Michael Molnar, Freud usually smoked a cigar called a trabucco, which was small, relatively mild and considered the best of those produced by the Austrian monopoly. But he complained that they were inferior, preferring the Don Pedros and Reina Cubanas, which he could get during his vacations in the picturesque Bavarian town of Berchtesgaden. Freud also enjoyed Dutch Liliputanos, and when old age limited his travel, he frequently recruited friends and colleagues to bring him his favorite cigars from across the border.



Though it was somewhat unorthodox, even by the somewhat less rigid standards of the early practice of psychoanalysis, Freud frequently received boxes of cigars as gifts from his patients. In January 1931, hoping to surprise him with a supply of cigars, Freud's friend Max Eitingon traveled to Berchtesgaden, located Freud's tobacconist there and ordered several hundred of Freud's favorite Don Pedros. The tireless efforts of his friends to keep him supplied with his preferred brands began to resemble a sort of espionage operation, complete with border crossings and clandestine meetings in remote mountain villages.



If Freud inherited his passion for cigars from his father and inspired his patients to keep him supplied, he also endeavored to instill a love of smoking in his disciples, colleagues and the young men in his family. Hans Sachs, a member of Freud's inner circle, once remarked that "[Freud] was so fond of smoking that he was somewhat irritated when men around him did not smoke. Consequently nearly all of those who formed the inner circle became more or less passionate cigar-smokers," according to Freud, Master and Friend by Hans Sachs, (1944), Harvard University Press.



For Freud, cigars conferred a special insider status, symbolic membership in a community. This was the community of psychoanalysis, but it was also a community of men, and becoming a cigar smoker was an integral part of its initiation rites. His disappointment in his nephew's refusal and his anxiety when his colleagues did not smoke reveal a man highly invested in the ritual value of smoking and highly attuned to the role that sharing a cigar with a friend or colleague plays in cementing social bonds.



Freud's 50-year relationship with cigars was not, however, without storm. When Freud was in his late 30s, he began experiencing symptoms of cardiac illness. His physician-friend Wilhelm Fliess attributed his problems to excessive smoking and hypersensitivity to

nicotine. He urged Freud to give up cigars. Fliess' warnings and the suggestion of a connection between his heavy smoking and poor health concerned Freud, but, in spite of his anxiety, he never significantly modified his consumption of cigars. Some physicians felt that Freud's heart problems may have been congenital. Others hypothesized that his difficulties were essentially psychosomatic and had nothing to do with cigar smoking. Whatever the cause of Freud's heart problem, it ultimately proved not to be life threatening.



The lesson learned from this early period of illness was that Freud was not likely to cooperate with any efforts to modify his cigar smoking. Freud's response to being advised not to smoke cigars was nothing short of oppositional. Freud wrote in a letter to Fliess after being advised him not to smoke: "...I was deprived of the motivation which you so aptly characterize in one of your previous letters: a person can give something up only if he is firmly convinced that it is the cause of his illness...For the first time I have an opinion that differs from yours on some matter....You have been so absolute and strict in your smoking prohibition, the merit of which is all relative...." In this not so subtly hostile response to Fliess it is clear that he was patently unwilling to deprive himself of the thing that gave him the most pleasure in life and which he felt facilitated his incredible capacity for work.



In 1923, when he was 67 years old, Freud's cigar smoking again became a source of difficulty in his life. After nearly 40 years of what by any estimation was an unusually heavy cigar habit, Freud developed a leukoplakic growth in his mouth, which later turned out to be cancer of the soft palate. Freud was himself a doctor and although many of his friends were also physicians, he waited years before showing anyone the growth in his mouth. He feared that smoking would, as he put it, "...[be] accused as the [cause] of this tissue-rebellion." The physician who finally treated the growth naturally advised Freud to quit smoking cigars. Once again, in the face of potentially grave medical consequences, Freud was resistant, even rebellious about abstaining from cigars for any substantial length of time.



Why, in the face of strong warnings from Fliess, several other doctors and his own common sense, did Freud continue to smoke cigars? The notion that the warnings of Freud's doctors should or could have discouraged him from smoking misses the critical role cigars played in Freud's psyche. Freud's moods and his capacity for work, the most important thing in his life, were dependent on cigars. He simply could not fathom giving them up. Those who knew him can attest that Freud was inconsolable when he could not smoke.



During one brief period of abstinence urged by Dr. Fliess, Freud wrote in a letter to him: "I have not smoked for seven weeks since the day of your injunction. At first I felt, as expected, outrageously bad. Cardiac symptoms accompanied by mild depression, as well as the horrible misery of abstinence. These wore off but left me completely incapable of working, a beaten man. After seven weeks I began smoking again...Since the first few cigars, I was able to work and was the master of my mood; before that life was unbearable."



Freud's tone in this letter to Fliess seems hysterical, a smoke screen, as it were, to divert his doctor away from the issue at hand. For the content of the letter was that he had failed to comply with his physician's orders. How could Fliess insist that Freud continue his abstinence after hearing the "magical" effect cigars had on Freud's mood?



But Freud would not have appreciated this or any interpretation of his ambivalent behavior toward smoking. On the one hand, Freud pioneered our understanding of the way people employ psychological defense mechanisms when faced with intolerable thoughts and feelings. But his very own inability to modify his smoking habit illustrates a basic mechanism in human psychology that Freud termed "knowing and not knowing," where an individual, faced with rational understanding, may still be unable to act appropriately.



He knew he could not give up cigars and sought desperately to rationalize his choice to continue smoking. After suffering through a brief period of abstinence due to swelling in his mouth, Freud wrote to colleague Sandor Ferenczi: "Yesterday I smoked my last cigar and since then have been bad-tempered and tired....Then a patient brought me fifty cigars, I lit one, became cheerful, and the affection [swelling] of the palate rapidly went down. I should not have believed it had it not been so striking...." While he could analyze the defense mechanisms of his patients brilliantly, when it came to cigars, Freud's capacity for self-knowledge broke down.



There was another reason why Freud was compelled to continue smoking in the face of his doctors' prohibitions. Sigmund Freud, always the master of his own life, now faced the ultimate loss of control: a diagnosis of cancer. To defy his physicians and continue to smoke permitted Freud an appearance of control over something beyond his control and against which he was helpless. With each cigar, he was able to repeatedly observe his own survival and to experience his own freedom to do as he wished in the face of repeated warnings that he was harming himself, which undoubtedly he was.



Freud was not the only one conspiring to deny the potentially adverse effects of his cigar smoking. Those who were close to Freud struggled with the same conflict. In reading Freud's correspondence, it is clear that a number of his colleagues and friends continued to supply him with cigars even at times when he was most strongly advised not to smoke. In 1931, Max Eitingon, a friend of Freud, heard that he had given up smoking. Yet despite this, Eitingon purchased a supply of Don Pedros and Reina Cubanas. In a letter, he persuaded Freud to accept the cigars. His friends could neither bear to see him suffer the effects of abstaining from cigars, nor admit that he was terminally ill.



Freud is generally considered to have been quite open to analyzing his own psychological makeup. Early in his career he published what he called his self-analysis and The Interpretation of Dreams using his own life and dreams to illustrate psychoanalytic principles. But his inability to give up smoking remained an intentional blind spot. Freud's admitted addiction to smoking always remained a source of extreme defensiveness and was not mentioned at all in his self-analysis. It was a part of himself that he felt was no one's business.



And yet Freud had a partial understanding that his own penchant for cigars was significant for psychoanalysis. In letters to colleagues, Freud hinted that he had the beginnings of a theory of addiction in which he posited that addictions like smoking were secondary substitutions, akin to "withdrawal symptoms," from addictive masturbation in childhood. Freud even hinted that he felt his own addiction to smoking may have had this psychological origin. However, he never published his theory, and his abortive attempts at a theory of addiction may be the result of his ambivalence about examining his own addiction to smoking.



Perhaps Freud's defensiveness about his cigar smoking--and the enormous pleasure he derived from it--was understandable. It was both ironic and inevitable that Freud, the man who taught the world to appreciate symbolism, would be subject to all the clichéd interpretations of his cigar as a phallic object. Even today, banal cigar jokes haunt Freud's image.



Freud adamantly insisted that cigars were a part of his life that was to remain insulated from the observing eye of psychoanalysis. The famous quote captures this sentiment: "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." This is not the only time Freud felt compelled to protect himself from the the prying eyes and sharp minds of his colleagues. In the early 1920s, Sigmund Freud created a minor scandal by suggesting in a memorandum to the members of his inner circle that he believed in mental telepathy and that he had himself conducted tests that convinced him of the existence of such phenomena. In his own defense Freud stated that "...my adherence to telepathy is my private affair like my Jewishness, my passion for smoking, and other things, and the theme of telepathy--inessential for psychoanalysis."



Freud worked and smoked up to the very end of his life at age 83. One of the last photographs taken of Freud in the year prior to his death shows the stately psychoanalyst sitting at his desk in his new office at 20 Maresfield Gardens in London, where he moved after escaping Nazi-occupied Austria in 1938. The 82-year-old Freud was dressed in full suit and tie, cigar in hand, working on the manuscript of his final book, the controversial Moses and Monotheism.



Up until the very end of his life, Freud had four patients in psychoanalysis and did not disband his practice until two months prior to his death. In his final days, although he was no longer able to work, Freud requested that his bed be brought to his study so that he could be near his books, his desk and his prized antiquities.



Before he died, on his brother Alexander's birthday, Freud bequeathed him his most prized possession: his stock of cigars. In the letter he wrote: "Your seventy-second birthday finds us on the verge of separating after long years of living together. I hope it is not going to be a separation forever, but the future--always uncertain--is at the moment especially difficult to foresee. I would like you to take over the good cigars which have been accumulating with me over the years, as you can still indulge in such pleasure, I no longer."
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Holy Cow Slim! Is there gonna be a test later? Im one beer past being able to hold my attention on one thing long enough for that book. LOL
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I am NOT reading your post Slim!!...Cut and paste the condensed version (or Cliff's notes..not you Cliff3d)..LOL
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LOL! I don't expect anyone to read it (though it's pretty good) ...

I was just going for the 'cut-n-paste' record here ... ;-)
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OK..I did read more than half of it (skimmed it..Call me Mr. Evelyn Wood) and it's pretty interesting!
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DING-DING-DING!



We have a WINNER!
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Slimboli

copy copied to my write (remember that old program) program, enlarged fonts and made them bold.

to be read tomorrow evening outside with a partagas exquisito and i might read it aloud to my birds.

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yo slim, was that part of your doctoral thesis? i apologize for not getting past the 3rd sentence because my ADD kicked in...lol
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I bet Gonz is happy he didn't ask about War and Peace!
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You guys are too funny ... LOL! I've got to admit, that was just total bandwidth robbery ...
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[Freud] was an early advocate of cocaine, used it himself, and touted it to his associates, one of whom demonstrated that it could be used as a local anesthetic. Sales of the drug immediately took off, and an industry was born. In other words, not only did Freud give us psychoanalysis (and psychiatry in general, I venture to say), we can also thank him for the crack epidemic. Quite the career. What could this guy possibly have done for an encore--invented the atom bomb?



Freud wrote his famous paper "On Coca" in 1884, when he was 28. In it he described the history and effects of cocaine and spoke glowingly of its therapeutic benefits. A penniless young physician on the make, Freud thought cocaine would be his ticket to fame and fortune. He was partly right--both Merck & Company and Parke, Davis & Company, the leading makers of cocaine-based pharmaceuticals, paid him to write about their products.



By modern standards "On Coca" is a joke. Freud uncritically cited articles about cocaine that appeared in a magazine published by Parke, Davis--essentially paid advertisements. He gushed about "the most gorgeous excitement" the drug produced. Chances are he wrote the article under the influence. Evidence: (a) Cocaine enables users to work like maniacs. (b) The delivery of cocaine for research purposes arrived in late May, and the article was completed on June 18.


"On Coca" received wide notice, but the guy who really put cocaine on the map was Carl Koller, a Vienna surgeon with whom Freud was friendly. Freud had noticed that cocaine numbed the tongue when ingested (nobody snorted or smoked it in those days) and suggested that cocaine might be useful as a local anesthetic. Experimenting on animals and then on himself and an associate, Koller found that cocaine rendered the eyes insensitive to pain. A report presented on his behalf at a medical meeting in September 1884 galvanized the medical world--as the only effective local anesthetic, cocaine opened up vast new fields for surgery. Soon everyone was experimenting with the drug. Struggling to keep up with demand, pharmaceutical companies developed industrial production methods, and from there it was but a short step to Medellin.



Although Freud minimized the dangers of cocaine in his articles, the potential for abuse was evident from the outset and was greatly multiplied as techniques for purifying and administering cocaine improved. One early victim was Dr. Ernst von Fleischl-Marxow, who suffered from tumors of the peripheral nerves and had become a morphine addict while attempting to ease the pain. Freud thought cocaine might cure the addiction and sent some to his friend. Soon von Fleischl-Marxow was consuming a gram of cocaine a day, and he developed a classic case of "cocaine psychosis," thinking that snakes were crawling over his body. He hung on for another few years but eventually died in agony. Numerous other cases of cocaine toxicity also came to light. Freud defended the drug as late as 1887 but eventually repented and stopped using cocaine both personally and professionally. However, some profess to see the influence of cocaine in his theory of dreams, introduced a few years later.



Freud never became dependent on cocaine. Some say that's because he didn't have an addictive personality, but the more likely explanation is that he was already addicted to something else, namely nicotine in the form of his famous cigars. Freud smoked 20 a day even though they began giving him chest pain and shortness of breath while he was still in his 30s. In his 60s he developed cancer of the jaw and soft palate and eventually had 33 operations, resulting in the complete removal of his jaw and the substitution of a prosthesis. His friends begged him to stop smoking but Freud continued to puff away even after his health had so deteriorated that he could no longer work. Despite chronic pain and the frequent inability to speak or swallow, he persisted in his use of cigars until his death from oral cancer in 1939 at age 83. Crazy, eh? No question, the guy should have seen a shrink.

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... at least I stayed 'on topic' ... LOL!
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PMoreno349...For me the allure of smoking cigars is the incredible range of tastes and textures,ie. amount of smoke, aroma, etc. that different brands and styles within brands can be had with cigars. Being a 3rd class citizen (cigerette smoker) I had usually picked up a 5 pack of cigars at the grocery store and thought I was enjoying a "good" cigar. Then a friend gave me a couple of his cigars and "WOW" what an incredible difference.

Now I have a "footador" (footlocker converted to a humidor), a 100 qt. igloodor, an acrylic humidor that I built, 2- 300 capacity humidors, and several smaller humidors full of a very wide assortment of cigars.

It is really nice to go into the "ROOM" and try to decide "What do I feel like having now?" Or deciding which to take to the poker room to smoke while playing in the tournament. Or which to give to a friend to see if they can really enjoy something other then the dog-rockets that they think are really good. (Dam, so many "gars and so little time)

Then when I was 3 years old....No I guess even the story of my life wouldn't be as long as Slim's post...

Anyway, that is my story and I am sticking to it....69
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I appreciate all of the input. I promise to read the long posts when I get a break (I am actually quite interested).
Goose..I have had about the same experience as you with food and wine. About 20 years ago, I was a waiter in a nice resturant in the Napa Valley (where I was raised). My comments are made in the context of having consumed a lot of good wine. I find cigars much more interesting than wine. More dimensions to smoking a cigar.
69...Your description of you collection is exactly what I am talking about. What makes someone build a shrine to cigars in their home? I agree completely, "So many cigars, and so little time."
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Good article LLT,kinda made my nose run and put down my cigar momentarily. X
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...thanks for the intriguing question and responses. Freud's student and later detractor, Jung, also enjoyed cigars. I believe he favored yard-work rather than drawing-room brands.
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A shrine...Hhhmmm..didn't really think of it that way but you could be right. Actually it has become more of a neccessity then anything else. I suppose that I started out like everyone else. Trying to find "my" cigar. So you pick up some of these and some of those and lo and behold they both taste, for want of a better term, good. But then you read or hear someone talking about another cigar so you get some of those and before you know it you have a CC bill to CBID for $200 and you need to store those cigars and it is a shame (not to mention blasphemy) to let them just sit in the backroom like a cheap box of cigars at the drugstore. Now you have 2 or 3 small humidors and you think (and the wife says) that is enough for now.

JESUS, CBID has a box of XXXX and the bid is incredibly low. I will just throw out a bid and if I get it great and if I don't then "Oh well". Oh Oh, I got them and I also got the other box too. Now I need an igloodor and hope the wife ain't home when UPS comes.

And I guess you could say that part of the blame could be laid directly at CBID's doorstep. If you have ever gone to a cigar shop here in Washington and bought just a few "quality" cigars it would cost you $20-30 for just 2 or 3. Now you can get a box from CBID for about the same price (or a little more) what do you do? You pull the trigger and BAM you got another box of cigars to store. (Am I addicted to cigars or to CBID and the chance to win a bid?) What a delemma to be in.

Anyway, that is my story and I am sticking to it...69
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69...Your last post almost made me fall out of my chair, LOL.
I think you are living my life. Almost like a CBID support group (refer to discussion topic).
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I need an igloodor
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STOP ME BEFORE I BID AGAIN...69
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From the sound of it, Rick has a house-idor. I truly wonder who among us has THE most sticks in their collection at this very moment? Do you dare to count? Hmmm...
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I am interested in hearing a ballpark number
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And another thing, I wouldn't relate your cigar purchases to your woman's shoe purchases. From a woman's standpoint, I'd compare your sticks to their sticks...lipsticks that is. It's a more realistic comparison.



My SHOES avg. $150.00 per pair while my LIPSTICKS avg. $12.00 each. Probably still slightly higher than your avg. per stick price but closer by comparison. Unless wifey poo is shopping at the Payless shoe store!



And just like in Fubar69's story of trying to find his cigar...we woman can never seem to find the right shade of lipstick either. I suppose for all of us, it's a lifelong mission!
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I apologize for posting this here guys! I musta got lost along the way in this huge thread. I should have posted in the "I lucked out!" thread...

But to keep with the screw up, I should add that IF she hassles you about yet one more box from CB, just waltz over to her cosmetic drawer or wherever she keeps her 'stuff' and start handling each and every cosmetic in there...SHE'LL SHUT UP IMMEDIATELY...TRUST ME...
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Adding up the costs of our cigars would be like adding up the cost of catching a salmon once in a while or going hunting and getting a deer (again once in a while, especially in Wash.).

The total costs involved far outweigh the actual costs of going to Safeway and buying the same amount of fish or meat.

But it is the thrill of the chase or in E-Chicks case the agony of Da Feet.
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69 - Your cigar dimentia sounds similar to mine, only your further along. I had three humi's when I got my first 100qt coolerdor 2 months ago, and now due to my continual purchases I need another cooler. I need to know if I can ask Cbid to stop taking my bids, maybe that'll help! Nah, I'd probably just create a new login and use a different cc. Such is life... chris
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The allure of cigar smoking also has to do with ritual. You must have a humidor to reach into and pick out just the right smoke for the occation. You must have a cigar cutter to get that perfect clip. You must have the right lighting implement to get just the right burn going. You roll the cigar in you hand and sniff as it begins to burn and then you take that first puff and nirvana happens. If more than one of you are around it becomes a shared experience which only serves to inhance the ritual. I'll bet all of you have a similar ritual that you perform each time you light up!
Fubar69 Offline
#33 Posted:
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Sammydaddy...that sounds like the ritual we had back in college. Just a different brand ;-)

Can I get an AMEN
SteveS Offline
#34 Posted:
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Yeah, Sam ... what you said ... I agree completely ... even posted on the subject once, asking the others about their rituals, but it drew a light response ... perhaps it'll do better now with certain distractions being less prevalent ...
jjohnson28 Offline
#35 Posted:
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Amen brutha Fube fffffttt..._ere...(cough)(cough)(cough)
PMoreno349 Offline
#36 Posted:
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AMEN.

Sam, I think you really hit on something important. I am there.

Anybody read Carlos Castaneda?
cigarsmoke Offline
#37 Posted:
Joined: 07-14-2002
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OH, I feel your pain. As a newbie who has gone crazy on the cb auction board I have gone from a 50 count humidor half full to 4 50 humis and 2 300 hums not to mention the jars and 15-25ers I have filled up and now have tuperware to boot. My wife just shakes her head and says that one belongs on the golf course. (At least she lets me smoke in the house.) I have also bought 2 ionic air dumeflachies and got the hepa going too. My real problem is I need to smoke more so I know what I want to smoke. I have bought more than 1000 gars in the last 90 days. But it is fun. I am going to get in the football pot but it will be my luck that I win the damn thing and have to store mor gars. OH, well life is good and I am happy. John
PMoreno349 Offline
#38 Posted:
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John... That is quite a story. It put a smile on my face. Glad to see you are smiling too.
PMoreno349 Offline
#39 Posted:
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No wait. smiling.... Is that your picture on the CBID box I just recieved?
Palama Offline
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Interesting….
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