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Vatican Issues Guidelines for Same-Sex Blessings
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Declaration confirms Pope Francis’ recent statement ending the Vatican’s ban on blessing same-sex relationships


WSJ

ROME—The Vatican on Monday published guidelines for priests blessing same-sex relationships, permitting such ceremonies but stressing that they must not imply that the unions are the equivalent of heterosexual marriage.

The eight-page document from the Vatican’s doctrinal office confirms and elaborates on a letter by Pope Francis released in October, which ended the Vatican’s ban on blessing same-sex couples. The shift is the latest sign of the Catholic Church’s greater openness to LGBTQ people under Pope Francis and one that is likely to further disturb conservatives.

Catholic priests in some countries, such as Germany, were flouting the ban and calling for change. The pope’s letter and Monday’s guidelines supersede a 2021 Vatican statement that prohibited blessings for gay couples on the grounds that God “cannot bless sin.”

Catholic clergy may “join in the prayer of those persons who, although in a union that cannot be compared in any way to a marriage, desire to entrust themselves to the Lord and his mercy, to invoke his help, and to be guided to a greater understanding of his plan of love and of truth,” said the document, signed by Cardinal Victor Manuel Fernandez, head of the doctrinal office.

Since Cardinal Fernandez took over his post in late summer, the doctrinal office has issued several statements promoting Francis’ relatively lenient approach to moral teaching, including one affirming that transgender people may be baptized.

Monday’s declaration underscores the Vatican’s distinction between same-sex unions and marriage, which the church teaches can only be a union between a man and a woman. The blessing of a gay couple “should never be imparted in concurrence with the ceremonies of a civil union, and not even in connection with them. Nor can it be performed with any clothing, gestures, or words that are proper to a wedding,” the Vatican said. The document also states that such blessings should be spontaneous and not included in the official liturgy.

Pope Francis has long taken a conciliatory approach toward LGBTQ people, without formally changing church teaching. He endorsed civil unions for same-sex couples in a 2020 documentary film, alarming many conservatives.

Catholic priests in Germany and some other northern European countries have for years held ceremonies to bless same-sex couples. The issue has contributed to the deepening polarization between progressive and conservative wings of the global church. In March this year, Germany’s liberal Catholic bishops defied the Vatican ban by voting in favor of adopting formal ceremonies to bless same-sex relationships.

Conservative prelates have warned that the issue could precipitate a schism, or a permanent split in the church, pointing particularly to current tensions in the Anglican Communion. Conservative Anglican churches, including some in Africa that include nearly half of the world’s estimated 100 million Anglicans, have broken off relations with Anglican churches that espouse liberal teaching and practice on homosexuality, including the Episcopal Church in the U.S.

In February, a dozen leading Anglican archbishops, mostly from the global South, called for a break with the Church of England after it decided to allow the blessing of same-sex relationships.
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With a Deadline Looming, the United Methodist Church Breaks Up
A quarter of the denomination’s churches have left, as the faith divides over L.G.B.T.Q. policies.

NYT

With 17,000 members, White’s Chapel Methodist Church in Southlake, Texas, offers multiple worship services each weekend along with the kind of attractions that only the largest houses of worship can boast: a coffee shop, an indoor playground, a Christmas festival with pony rides and fireworks, and near-daily opportunities for volunteering and socializing. On Sunday mornings, a small white bulldog named Wesley, after the founder of Methodism, roams the campus with a handler, greeting admirers.

“They call this place the biggest small church,” said Linda Rutan, who was sitting with her husband near a sprawling holiday train set on a recent Sunday morning. The Rutans have attended White’s Chapel since they moved to Texas from California in 2022. “It’s so friendly,” she said, “you don’t feel like it’s a huge church.”

Until July, White’s Chapel was the second-largest United Methodist congregation in the country. The conservative-leaning church lost its status this year not because it shrank — it is growing, leaders say — but because it left the denomination.

America’s second-largest Protestant denomination is in the final stages of a slow-motion rupture that has so far seen the departure of a quarter of the nation’s roughly 30,000 United Methodist churches, according to the denomination’s news agency.

At issue for Methodists is the question of ordaining and marrying L.G.B.T.Q. people, a topic that has splintered many other Protestant denominations and which Methodists have been debating for years.

In 2019, Methodist leaders opened a window for any congregations to leave over “reasons of conscience,” in most cases allowing them to take their property and assets with them in a clean break if they received approval to depart by Dec. 31, 2023. Many conservative congregations have done just that.

“It’s the biggest denominational schism ever,” said Ryan Burge, a political scientist at Eastern Illinois University. There were eight million Methodists in the United States in 2020, according to the U.S. Religion Census. Between large-scale departures and the broader trend of decline, Dr. Burge said, that number could drop by half in a decade.

The exodus marks a calamitous decline for the broader tradition of mainline Protestantism, which once dominated the American religious, social and cultural landscape.

Now, as the deadline approaches, remaining congregations and leaders are taking stock of their losses, and looking ahead to a future in which the denomination’s footprint in the United States may continue to shrink (even as it grows overseas, especially in Africa). In Texas, a historic stronghold for United Methodists, more than 40 percent of churches have left.

“It’s significant, and it’s been at a high cost,” said Thomas Bickerton, a lifelong Methodist who is president of the denomination’s Council of Bishops. More than 7,500 congregations have left since 2019, a number that he said was slightly higher than leaders expected when they extended the offer. Next year, Methodists plan to vote on what will likely be their lowest quarterly budget in 40 years.

Officially, the United Methodist Church still forbids same-sex marriage and does not allow “self-avowed, practicing” gay people to serve as ministers. But in recent years, some leaders began defying official restrictions on the practices, and the church now has a number of openly gay clergy and two gay bishops. Many anticipate that church law could change — and spur more departures — at the denomination’s quadrennial meeting next spring in Charlotte, N.C.

That meeting was initially planned for 2020 but was delayed multiple times in response to the coronavirus pandemic. In the meantime, conservatives launched a rival denomination, the Global Methodist Church, which says it will not ordain or marry gay people. As of this fall, the new denomination said that more than 3,000 congregations had joined it.

“It’s significant, and it’s been at a high cost,” Thomas Bickerton, a lifelong Methodist who is president of the denomination’s Council of Bishops, said about the departure of many congregations. Credit...James Estrin/The New York Times

White’s Chapel is helping to launch another new denomination, the Methodist Collegiate Church, of which it will serve as the inaugural “cathedral.” Many other departing churches have opted to remain independent of any denomination so far.

The Methodist movement’s history traces back to 18th-century England, when preacher John Wesley proposed a “method” for encouraging deeper commitment to the Christian life, including small group meetings and an emphasis on holiness and service. In the United States, the faith grew quickly in the 19th century as circuit riders crisscrossed the country preaching and establishing churches. Methodists have ordained women since the 1950s, a topic that has divided many Protestant traditions but remains uncontroversial within Methodism.

After a series of mergers and schisms, the current United Methodist Church — by far the largest expression of Methodism — was established in Dallas in 1968. As of 2020, only the Southern Baptist Convention was bigger among Protestant denominations.

Historically, United Methodism has been a denomination marked by both geographical and ideological diversity. Justice Harry A. Blackmun, who wrote the Supreme Court opinion establishing the right to abortion in Roe v. Wade, was a Methodist; so is President George W. Bush, who signed the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act 30 years later. The list of 31 current members of Congress who are Methodist includes conservative Republican senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas and his progressive Democratic colleague Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts.

But the era of big-tent Methodism may now be ending, as conservative congregations exit. Mr. Cotton’s lifelong congregation, now known as Dardanelle Methodist Church, left the denomination this year and joined the Global Methodists. An analysis this summer found that departing churches were disproportionately white, located in the South and likelier to be led by male pastors.

The United Methodist Church is part of the tradition of mainline Protestantism that now tends to be broadly progressive in its theology and traditional in its worship style. In the mid-20th century, more than two-thirds of Americans identified as Protestants. Now, most surveys show less than 15 percent of the country identifies with the mainline, a group that also includes the Episcopal Church and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America.

The split is the latest in decades of divides in Christian denominations over questions about sexuality and theology. Most mainline denominations now endorse same-sex marriage — and most have seen significant shares of their churches break off into new denominations that maintain their traditions and worship styles while restoring what they describe as theological orthodoxy.

Mr. Bickerton, the bishop, said that many of the congregations that left the United Methodists seemed to be motivated as much by a desire for financial independence as by deep theological differences.

“We’ve learned this is not as much about human sexuality as we thought,” he said. “This is about power, control and money.”

That’s not the language that the leaders of White’s Chapel use to describe their decision to leave. But they acknowledge that their congregation’s dissatisfaction with United Methodism went beyond its approach to sexuality.

In Southlake, congregants were increasingly wary of the direction of the national denomination’s theology. But they were also unhappy with the Methodist policy of moving pastors to new locations every three years. Money was an issue, too. Because of its extraordinary growth, White’s Chapel paid the denomination about $600,000 annually, and had lost confidence that its money was being well spent by a remote administrative bureaucracy, said Rev. Larry Duggins, a longtime member who the church hired to help manage the separation process.

“We wanted to see, where was that money going?” said Rev. Duggins, who is now chancellor of the new Methodist Collegiate Church denomination. “We weren’t happy with what we saw.” Too much of the money, the church felt, was going to administrative overhead rather than into its core missions.

Last year, 93 percent of church members voted to leave, a decision that was formalized this summer.

For many of the members, the vote signaled that their theological and political values were increasingly out of step with mainline Christianity.

“There’s been a trend toward liberalizing a lot of things in society, not just churches,” said Bruce Krieger, who has attended the church since the 1990s. The sexuality question had become a political football, he said, where liberals in the denomination wanted to show their allegiance to a wider slate of progressive causes that Mr. Krieger and his wife — “conservative folks” — were increasingly uncomfortable with.

They voted to leave.

Sunday mornings have not changed much since White’s Chapel left the United Methodists, in Mr. Krieger’s view. The Christmas season had begun, and he was looking forward to the all-church brunch after a special service that would include a live Nativity scene — a longstanding tradition.

Some people had left after the vote, but not many, he said, and newcomers have already arrived to take their place.
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The Other Half will probably be leaving once they adopt the policy for Litterboxes in the restrooms for these Kids that want to Identify as a Cat or some chit... this is sweeping across the schools in America right now... d'oh! d'oh! Brick wall Brick wall
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The desire of power, control and money is always accompanied by accepting Satanic progressive causes.
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I did hear Victor found God and became a Catholic.

Coincidence?
RayR Online
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I did hear Victor found God and became a Catholic.

Coincidence?


If he did, he's probably a fan of the WOKE POPE.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I did hear Victor found God and became a Catholic.

Coincidence?


He just wanted to teach the altar boys how to play rugby.

And snap towels in the shower.

You know. Manly stuff.

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RiverRatRuss wrote:
The Other Half will probably be leaving once they adopt the policy for Litterboxes in the restrooms for these Kids that want to Identify as a Cat or some chit... this is sweeping across the schools in America right now... d'oh! d'oh! Brick wall Brick wall



What’s funny is that some people think you’re serious and that is happening.

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We need to get to the bottom of this and figure out if God hates LGBTQ’s as much as conservatives…..
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God hates conservatives..?? Huh
Brewha Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
God hates conservatives..?? Huh


You mean if they are ghay?
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There aren't any of those... Not talking
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Yes - they are all straight as arrows and preverbal choir boys.

But I heard some of em like choir boys…..

“Log Cabin Republicans”

Guess we know what the ”log” is…..
Maybe the “cabin” too.
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Conservatives hate lgbtq+1 huh…
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