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Mary, Mary, quite contrary, How does your garden grow?
Jakethesnake86 Offline
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I’ve always wanted to try orchids. One day. Feel pretty damn confident I can grow them
RayR Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Anyone do succulents/cacti or orchids?


All I have is Aloe plants and a Christmas Cactus indoors right now.
I'll take the Aloe plants outside for the summer, but you have to ease them into the outdoor climate because otherwise, they will get sunburned.
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Jakethesnake86 wrote:
I’ve always wanted to try orchids. One day. Feel pretty damn confident I can grow them

Easy Peasy in the right climate or with the right non-watering. Basically,indirect sunlight and only water them like 1x every month or two depending on your climate (Arizona?). Different varieties annually bloom for long periods, on different schedules around the year.
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RayR wrote:
All I have is Aloe plants and a Christmas Cactus indoors right now.
I'll take the Aloe plants outside for the summer, but you have to ease them into the outdoor climate because otherwise, they will get sunburned.

How big are you aloe plants? What are they potted in what kind of soil??
Christmas cactus is beautiful year round as its foliage changes color.
Have you ever had an Easter Cactus?
RayR Offline
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rfenst wrote:
How big are you aloe plants? What are they potted in what kind of soil??
Christmas cactus is beautiful year round as its foliage changes color.
Have you ever had an Easter Cactus?


I don't have huge aloe plants although I've had a good-sized plant in the past that faded. The aloe I have now are the offspring of that plant and need to be repotted in larger containers. They also they have a lot of baby offshoots coming out of them so it's crowded in there.
The leaves will get a lot bigger and thicker after repotting and getting accustomed to full summer sun outdoors.
I use loose good draining potting soil or cactus soil sometimes.

No, We've never had an Easter Cactus.

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Bought a roll of snow fence stuff. That plastic fence stuff you see at constructions to try to hold back any erosion. Figured I'll use it as a trellis for the cucumbers, pole beans and peas to climb up on.

Days are getting warmer so transplanting the indoor seedlings into the outside containers is around the corner. I tried herbs from seed a couple weeks ago in pots but they haven't broken ground. I'll try another round of seeds (maybe had a bad batch) but if if they don't sprout I'll go to the nursery and buy some in the 6 pack thingies to populate the pots.
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I got 6 crook neck squash , 6 zucchini . Bunch of sunflower , 6 watermelon , 6 cantaloupe , and 6 cucumbers to grow on chain link fence all seed planted and up. 2 banana peppers , 10 gaint jalapeño spot with seed not up yet probably will have to replant. We had a hard rain I think it washed my seed away before they had a chance to come up. Also girlfriend got me a limequat tree.
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I planted my tomatoes had a wicked wind storm and think I’ve lost 2-3 of 6. I’ll replant I’m gonna hit them hard with fertilizer soon. I start with liquid nitrogen which I wouldn’t recommend unless you’re extremely careful. The nitrogen will give the plant a jump start but you wanna run about 10-15 gallons per acre. So very little. I put it in a dish soap bottle and make a small circle around the plant staying back about 6 inches from the trunk I’ll follow up with a little p and k later. Probably already have enough p residual from the sweet corn patch that was planted there last year that got a heavy dose of p rich fertilizer. Gonna plant peppers soon. Next couple weeks. It’s still very early here. Frost is still a danger. I will cover the tomatoes with baskets or buckets if frost is possible at night for the next couple weeks
Jakethesnake86 Offline
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Crook squash are my definite favorite
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I too am a bit leary of frost in my latitude. Couple more weeks or so and we should be out of the frost danger. I'm doing container garden so they will be on the deck and close to the house so they'll get some heat from the house but as of last week we still have been getting mild frost overnight a couple times a week. Hopefully we've turned the corner.

For fertilizer I would like to use compost but I don't have a compost going. Bought some organic soil for outdoor container gardening then mix in some 10-10-10 slow release fertilizer for the season. In the beginning use I'll spike the water with some nitrogen rich fertilizer to promote stalks and leaf growth. Maybe some K (potassium) rich to promote root growth. I don't like to use a lot of fertilizer as long as the soil contains it's own nutrients.

I'd like to mix some shredded leaves and grass clippings in the soil for additional organic matter that would decompose over the summer but I don't have shredded leaves or grass clippings. When it's time to cut the grass I might use the clippings for mulch. I'll sprinkle in some epsom salt in the soil. Some people say no on the epsom salt some say yes. I'm more in the yes camp. I think it's beneficial but I'm rather biased and have had good results using it plus it's a family folklore that has been handed down to me. It may not help but if used the right way it doesn't hurt.
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I think I may have mentioned that I planned to build a raised bed using cinder blocks. The plan is a 2 section bed. The front section is 16’ x 8’. On the back side I’ve got another wall of blocks creating a 2’ wide section where I’m going to plant asparagus. All the rain though has held me up because it’s been to wet to haul dirt and move it with a wheelbarrow.

Originally I was going to fill it with river silt, but I looked at some at a couple different dirt pits and no matter where I looked it was more like dirty sand than sandy dirt so I mixed that idea. Ended up getting 4 yards of garden soil mix from a local nursery Saturday. Was planning to back the trailer up ithroigh one end and shovel the dirt off the back but that wouldn’t have worked because I would have had to walk back and forth from the front to back of trailer to unload 2/3’s of it. So I parked under the driveway and ffiller my wheelbarrow in the shade then rolled it around into the backyard.

Good thing I finally got the front finished since my tomato plants were getting root bound in the pots. Later this week I’ll get the other row of blocks laid out so I can plant the asparagus. In the front I planted 4 each of the following tomatoes: San Maranzo, Brandywine, celebrity, sweet 100 cherry and Cherokee Purple. Going to plant some corn, beans, okra and whatever misc stuff I can find room to plant.
RayR Offline
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Bought a roll of snow fence stuff. That plastic fence stuff you see at constructions to try to hold back any erosion. Figured I'll use it as a trellis for the cucumbers, pole beans and peas to climb up on.

Days are getting warmer so transplanting the indoor seedlings into the outside containers is around the corner. I tried herbs from seed a couple weeks ago in pots but they haven't broken ground. I'll try another round of seeds (maybe had a bad batch) but if if they don't sprout I'll go to the nursery and buy some in the 6 pack thingies to populate the pots.



What kind of herbs were you trying to grow? How old is the seed?
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Basil, oregano, parsley, dill, thyme, chives, rosemary, cilantro, sage, lavender (I like the smell and flowers for the bees and stuff). I still gotta plant some flowers for window sill boxes but I'm not sure we are out of the woods for overnight frost.

Bought the seeds from Amazon. I sowed them in 10" pots with potting soil and watered them (moist to the touch poking in a finger) Sprinkled the seeds on the surface and lightly raked them in with a fork.. maybe 1/4" deep. Nothing has popped up. I know some take a few weeks to wake up but it's been a like 3 weeks indoors and no sign of life. Maybe seeds were faulty or maybe I'm faulty (shrug, there is a valid argument for the latter).

Normally I buy herb seedlings at the nursery but thought I'd try seeds this year. Worst case is the seeds didn't work and I'll get seedlings again at the nursery.

Once oregano, chives, lavender, thyme, sage, rosemary are established they are perennials and survive the winter as long as you provide some covering insulation like fall leaves in my region. The others, I've found, can't handle the cold or are annuals so I replant every season.
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Yeah I got some Amazon seed and they suck ass . Went local and did a lot better . Clifton seed check them out ex wife works there . They have great seed I will not deal with them due to that fact .
RayR Offline
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BuckyB93 wrote:

Once oregano, chives, lavender, thyme, sage, rosemary are established they are perennials and survive the winter as long as you provide some covering insulation like fall leaves in my region. The others, I've found, can't handle the cold or are annuals so I replant every season.


Yes, all of those will go dormant for a cold winter. I never had much luck with rosemary surviving the winter though up here and rosemary hates being indoors during the winter. It'll just die.
My oregano, chives, lavender, and thyme all came back in the spring. Once you have a stand of chives established, you'll have chives forever and they make a ton of seeds too, so you'll never have to buy seeds aqain to start more plants next season I have one stand of chives that is over 30 years old. Chives being in the onion family, their seed doesn't stay viable for long, so even fresh seed after 1 or 2 years in storage, germination will get real sketchy.

I can't say anything about Amazon seed sellers, I never bought any from them. I have bought some locally and plenty from ETSY and EBAY sellers. You can't beat the vast selection of varieties available there, stuff you will never find locally at the garden centers or Walmart.
And there is always reputable online seed companies.

corey sellers Offline
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Germination percentage matters that’s what farmers use . You will always want the highest percentage.
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Push mowed the gardens today. Still growing some grass and a few weeds even after I tilled them. Used the trimmer on the fence line as well.

Extended out the small garden from 35x25 to 70x25. Think I'm going to use that area for corn only. Hope it's enough. I forget the dimensions of the bigger garden--it's an "L" shape and significantly bigger.

Still have enough fencing to build a 50x50 sometime--but will prolly wait until next season.

Some of the plants are getting too damn big for the greenhouse thing we bought, specifically the squash and zucchini.

Tomorrow evening we're going to take then outside, for a few hours, for the first time.

That's the garden report on this cold and cloudy day.
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Tomatoes are looking rough. They got hit hard with wind 60 plus mph gusts. Shredded up. Will see if they bounce back. Might have to start over. No big deal but wanted early tomato
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rfenst wrote:
Anyone do succulents/cacti or orchids?

Yup to succulents and cacti, but it's no fair because they grow like weeds here in AZ. I have some very sizeable (overgrown) aloe stands, totem cacti, euphorbia...

Also, my jasmine vines are blooming right now and my back yard smells amazing...
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Yup to succulents and cacti, but it's no fair because they grow like weeds here in AZ. I have some very sizeable (overgrown) aloe stands, totem cacti, euphorbia...

Also, my jasmine vines are blooming right now and my back yard smells amazing...

My son's collection of succulents and cacti consists of about 100 varieties. Want some cuttings? They all fit in small plant containers and and bowls and are beautiful. I will gladly send you pictures so you can decide what you want. PM me with your email if you want anything or just want to take a peek of what we have going on.

Confederate Jasmine?
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rfenst wrote:
My son's collection of succulents and cacti consists of about 100 varieties. Want some cuttings? They all fit in small plant containers and and bowls and are beautiful. I will gladly send you pictures so you can decide what you want. PM me with your email if you want anything or just want to take a peek of what we have going on.

Confederate Jasmine?

Wow, I appreciate the offer! That is quite the collection. One day I will take you up on the poffer, but for now I have my hands full just keeping two little kids alive...



The Jasmine is Common, I think it may also be called Confederate, not sure.
RayR Offline
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Wow, I appreciate the offer! That is quite the collection. One day I will take you up on the poffer, but for now I have my hands full just keeping two little kids alive...



The Jasmine is Common, I think it may also be called Confederate, not sure.


Is Star Jasmine called Confederate Jasmine because it only grows in the Deep South?
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Jakethesnake86 wrote:
I planted my tomatoes had a wicked wind storm and think I’ve lost 2-3 of 6. I’ll replant I’m gonna hit them hard with fertilizer soon. I start with liquid nitrogen which I wouldn’t recommend unless you’re extremely careful. The nitrogen will give the plant a jump start but you wanna run about 10-15 gallons per acre. So very little. I put it in a dish soap bottle and make a small circle around the plant staying back about 6 inches from the trunk I’ll follow up with a little p and k later. Probably already have enough p residual from the sweet corn patch that was planted there last year that got a heavy dose of p rich fertilizer. Gonna plant peppers soon. Next couple weeks. It’s still very early here. Frost is still a danger. I will cover the tomatoes with baskets or buckets if frost is possible at night for the next couple weeks




Hey what kind and brand of fertilizer would you use for 70x25 growing area, dedicated to only growing corn? How much would you use and how often?

I have good soil here, not the rocky or clay soil that you would typically encounter in the mountains. It's floodplain loamy soil for the most part (sand, silt, and clay).

I'm not sure that matters for dosing the corn, but I am already starting with pretty rich soil.

Thanks in advance, Jake. My wife is making a list for the farm store, and I told her let me ask a real farmer before we buy.
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Mixing coffee grounds into soil to enhance growing conditions.

This a thing?
BuckyB93 Offline
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Yes

When I brewed and drank coffee on a daily basis, the coffee grounds were added to the garden. I even tossed in the paper filter in there. They add organic matter and some nutrients. One thing though is they are rather acidic but your soil pretty much sets the pH. I don't think coffee grounds now and again are going to move the needle. Some plants like acidic soil. Some not. For growing eating plants, I like to hoover around neutral (pH around 7)

Low pH (acidic) can be corrected with a sprinkle of lime to get closer to pH7 but a little goes a long way.
RayR Offline
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Bucky is correct, coffee grounds add organic matter to the soil and some nutrients mainly a little Nitrogen The grounds being from roasted beans like all other dead organic matter add carbon to the soil which also promotes the growth of beneficial decomposing organisms in the soil (bacteria, fungi, protozoa, insects and earthworms)
Lowering the PH of soil is not as easy as increasing the PH of soil. Coffee grounds are in no way acidic enough to impact PH.
You can lower the PH of alkaline soil long term by using elemental sulfur (S) but that takes time (sometimes years) since the sulfur itself won't affect PH, that requires the work of specialized soil bacteria that convert sulfur into sulphuric acid which is a strong acid that reacts quickly with carbonates in the soil




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BuckyB93 wrote:
Yes

When I brewed and drank coffee on a daily basis, the coffee grounds were added to the garden. I even tossed in the paper filter in there. They add organic matter and some nutrients. One thing though is they are rather acidic but your soil pretty much sets the pH. I don't think coffee grounds now and again are going to move the needle. Some plants like acidic soil. Some not. For growing eating plants, I like to hoover around neutral (pH around 7)

Low pH (acidic) can be corrected with a sprinkle of lime to get closer to pH7 but a little goes a long way.

Boiling coffee grounds actually lowers the pH a little so it’s really not much of a danger. Earthworms thrive when used coffee grounds are mixed with the soil. Compost piles do very well with coffee filters are made especially for composting and of course the coffee grounds are excellent in compost as well. This is my experience anyway.
RayR Offline
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Coffee filters are paper which is a wood product, it is mostly cellulose. Saprotrophic Fungi, which are all those fungi species that feed on dead organic matter are the main decomposers of cellulose. So coffee filters are saprotrophic fungi food and important in the composting process.

I think boiling coffee grounds is a waste of time, the organic acids in the coffee grounds are weak acids and get neutralized quickly in compost and soill.
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RayR by boiling I mean brewed. If you’re drinking coffee at home you may as well put the used grounds to good use IMHO. The compostable filters are a bit of a misnomer for the reason you pointed out. The “compostable” filters just disappear more quickly. Same with tea bags. Your point is well taken though. You are correct, sir 😎
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@robert just get a balanced fertilizer to start I run a rate of 350 pounds to an acre so it really doesn’t take a whole lot

Once the plants get a foot or so high they really want nitrogen. You’ll want to side dress with a 100 percent nitrogen fertilizer. I use liquid but you can use anything but corn loves nitrogen. You will not yield well without it. If you have good soil I’d go fairly heavy on the nitrogen

If using liquid do not get it on the plant itself (you’ll kill them)
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^ I’m just guessing at this point without knowing your specific soil but aim for 180 pounds per acre of nitrogen. That should be more than plenty for a really nice sweet corn crop.

I plant rows 30” wide and space my kernels 7 inches or so apart.

Give the corn plenty of water They recommend 2 inches a week. That number is just a rule of thumb but corn wants all the water it can drink.
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As far as brands of fertilizer it won’t matter. Just the analysis is what you’re gonna want to really look at
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If you have laying hens by any chance, chicken manure is my favorite fertilizer for corn. I run that at 2.5 tons per acre. It’ll grow corn

My parents have a dozen hens in a 12x12 building and we clean it out once a year I get enough out of there to do my garden and my mothers

I buy a lot of manure from other chicken farmers to use in my fields. I’ve spread over 400 tons this year on corn ground. Would buy more but none available
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Excuse me for the babbling.

Robert if you can get a 20 pound bag of 16-16-16 (Walmart has it)
Put that on first before you plant or before it comes up

Once they are 6-8 inches tall a 20 pound bag of 32-0-0

I Mathed a little. (I dumbed the math down to 1/25 of an acre)

That’ll get you over 163 pounds of nitrogen. If you want a tik more N you could add a little but that will get you a nice crop right there
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^ I forgot to math in the triple 16. But I stand by my statement. You won’t need more nitrogen. That’ll be over 200 pounds of nitro. Plenty. Corn will love it
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Jake I do not know what you do. Are you a farmer or did you gain this knowledge elsewhere?
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I farm Spey
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Jakethesnake86 wrote:
Excuse me for the babbling.

Robert if you can get a 20 pound bag of 16-16-16 (Walmart has it)
Put that on first before you plant or before it comes up

Once they are 6-8 inches tall a 20 pound bag of 32-0-0

I Mathed a little. (I dumbed the math down to 1/25 of an acre)

That’ll get you over 163 pounds of nitrogen. If you want a tik more N you could add a little but that will get you a nice crop right there


Hey, thanks Jake. You saved me a lot of time, and trial and error... I appreciate it.

For the 16-16-16, should I spread it around and then till it into the ground before I plant?

Is the 32-0-0 the stuff that cant touch the plant? Should I put it in the space between the individual plants within a row? How do you apply it?

I really want to do it right this year, and hopefully I can build on that for next yr. I have the space to expand.

I have an 8 foot fence around the 70x25 so hopefully with the fertilizer I'll get a big yield, bc I won't have to worry about the deer. I also bought some live traps for the smaller creatures that might sneak in...

I'm going to buy the stuff at Southern States (farm store) one evening this week. Thanks again.
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Basil, oregano, parsley, dill, thyme, chives, rosemary, cilantro, sage, lavender (I like the smell and flowers for the bees and stuff). I still gotta plant some flowers for window sill boxes but I'm not sure we are out of the woods for overnight frost.

Bought the seeds from Amazon. I sowed them in 10" pots with potting soil and watered them (moist to the touch poking in a finger) Sprinkled the seeds on the surface and lightly raked them in with a fork.. maybe 1/4" deep. Nothing has popped up. I know some take a few weeks to wake up but it's been a like 3 weeks indoors and no sign of life. Maybe seeds were faulty or maybe I'm faulty (shrug, there is a valid argument for the latter).

Normally I buy herb seedlings at the nursery but thought I'd try seeds this year. Worst case is the seeds didn't work and I'll get seedlings again at the nursery.

Once oregano, chives, lavender, thyme, sage, rosemary are established they are perennials and survive the winter as long as you provide some covering insulation like fall leaves in my region. The others, I've found, can't handle the cold or are annuals so I replant every season.


The lavender flowers can be added to salads. It’s pretty and it adds flavor and whatever specific micronutrients lavender has that you don’t get from other foods.
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Robert you can work the triple 16 in if you’d like. But just remember fertilizer always works its way down If you’re using a garden tiller yeah but don’t use like a plow and bury it a foot under the ground. I’d set my garden tiller on the lightest setting and just semi incorporate it

Yes the 32-0-0 will burn the leaves. (Liquid especially)

I’m sure you already know but if you can’t get those exact fertilizers just do the figures.

Example 10-10-10 means there’s 10 pounds of nitro phosphorus and potassium per 100 pounds of product. So you’d just need more

Ditto with the 32-0-0. (I use n-sol 32 liquid most often)

There’s 32 pounds of actual N per 100 pounds of product

You can just check out any bag of fertilizer and figure up what you need.

If you find lawn food even at like let’s say 30-0-2 (I’ve seen that blend) just use it. That little extra potassium isn’t gonna bother anything.

If you get that corn in real soon it should come off and give you plenty of time to grow broccoli or whatever you guys eat as a fall crop.

I mentioned for east math I just figured your plot into 1/25th of an acre. And used approximately what I’d try

Obviously in large scale farming you get your soil samples to know exactly what you have out the so we use some whacky blends you’re not likely to find on the shelf.

We have southern states around here too they doa little farm related applications here I just personally haven’t used them much, they’re a good company though. I use mainly growmark FS and nutrien ag
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If you use liquid which I’d almost advise you not to. We Put it in the center of the 30” row. There’s some guys trying to get it a little closer to the plant without killing it. I like the idea but I put mine in the center

With granulated we spin it on over the top. Some leaf burn will happen but the plant doesn’t seem to care it’ll get yellow speckles but responds well.

Whatever you use just turn the water sprinklers on when you’re finished applying and it minimizes burn. If you burn the leaves don’t worry too much. The plant will grow right out of it. I’ve burnt some corn pretty bad and it yielded very well
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Ok I'll work that triple 16 in with a rake, and I'll buy the granulated 32-0-0 or something equivalent to the 32-0-0. I saw the 30-0-2 on Walmart.com.

We don't have many options around here, as far as farm stores go. The Southern States is about 24 miles from me in the county over. This county doesn't even have a grocery store.Lol

Just curious, what do you guys do about the deer? Do you count the damage they cause as an operating loss and adjust your prices accordingly?

I use tall fences for my small plots, but that isn't feasible on an industrial scale.

If I put in an acre of corn, did ALL that work, I'd be afraid that it all would be for nothing.
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I’ve lost more money to deer than I care to count. If it was up to me I’d shoot them with rifles. We are overrun. If they totally destroy a farm which is fairly common insurance kicks in but it’s only enough to maybe keep you in business. I’ve tried growing grain sorghum in those areas. They don’t like eating it too much.

It’s actually awful. Not a lot you can do. Find people that like to hunt and try to keep them pushed back. I don’t mind seeing 4-5 eating on my crops but when there’s 40 out there it gets a little more than frustrating. There’s honestly just too many right in my area. I love animals and all that. I hate killing basically anything but they’re just oversized rats to me at this point
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So from an exact example.

A 60 acre farm with irrigation growing corn averages 200 bushel

You lose 5 acres to deer. You end up averaging 183

You get no insurance out of that you just loose 6000$ That’s on only 60 acres We till 1500 or so acres imagine how that adds up. Right or wrong I’m gonna start shooting them. Sick of them
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jeebling wrote:
The lavender flowers can be added to salads. It’s pretty and it adds flavor and whatever specific micronutrients lavender has that you don’t get from other foods.

I've never grown lavender. I choose it not for eating (might have to try it based on your recommendation) but for the fragrance, color and for bees and butterflies to get pollen and nectar.

None of my herbs from seed have germinated. I tried another set of seeds but to no avail. It's been another 2 weeks and nothing has broken ground. I'll probably do what i've done in past years and just by the 6 pack thingies from the plant nursery.

Still too early to put out tender seedlings. We still have overnight frost every couple days a week so far. By mid May we should be out of frost danger. Then I'll harden off (that's what she said) the seedlings with going in and out (that's what she said) outside and inside.
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Jakethesnake86 wrote:
So from an exact example.

A 60 acre farm with irrigation growing corn averages 200 bushel

You lose 5 acres to deer. You end up averaging 183

You get no insurance out of that you just loose 6000$ That’s on only 60 acres We till 1500 or so acres imagine how that adds up. Right or wrong I’m gonna start shooting them. Sick of them


Yeah. It would get expensive. I don't like them either, anymore, and you have a lot more on the line than me.

I think they should be treated as a nuisance animal in the rural areas. This county is also overrun with deer. I bet there is more deer than people. They like to hang on my flat and eat as opposed to staying on the side of a mountain.

I basically live in a meadow next to a watering hole (creek), so when they aren't eating our flowers, vegetables, or trees, they like to graze around the property.

I have yet to get a crossbow, but it's on my list. Nobody will hear the bow.
Jakethesnake86 Offline
#97 Posted:
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Great idea. Where you from Robert?
RobertHively Offline
#98 Posted:
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^

Originally the western part of Virginia, my wife is from Kentucky.

Years ago my brother and I got this land as a place to hunt. We never thought twice about this flat or the old farmhouse.

But, in the end, my wife and I needed this old place. Been working on it since November 2021.

We used to go to West Virginia all of the time to hike, camp, fish and hunt. Now we live in West Virginia and most of our time and money is spent working on this place. Lol

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BuckyB93 wrote:
I've never grown lavender. I choose it not for eating (might have to try it based on your recommendation) but for the fragrance, color and for bees and butterflies to get pollen and nectar.

None of my herbs from seed have germinated. I tried another set of seeds but to no avail. It's been another 2 weeks and nothing has broken ground. I'll probably do what i've done in past years and just by the 6 pack thingies from the plant nursery.

Still too early to put out tender seedlings. We still have overnight frost every couple days a week so far. By mid May we should be out of frost danger. Then I'll harden off (that's what she said) the seedlings with going in and out (that's what she said) outside and inside.



LOL
We have the lavender for the same reasons as you but about 5 years ago we started making tea and putting it in salads. We have heaps and heaps of it. It grows well in East Texas. Best of luck to you (and to her…she talks too much!)
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Wife came home with small plants for the garden. Scorpions, ghosts, reapers, habaneros for my tub.
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