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Is Shogun on FX any good?
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#1 Posted: Sat, Apr 20 2024, 6:01 PM EST
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#2 Posted: Sat, Apr 20 2024, 6:07 PM EST
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I wanted to like it, but couldn't get past the subtitles. That ruined it for me
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#3 Posted: Sat, Apr 20 2024, 6:37 PM EST
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JGRAZ wrote:
I wanted to like it, but couldn't get past the subtitles. That ruined it for me

Can't you shut those off on your tv?
Or, are they part of the show that starts later?
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#4 Posted: Sat, Apr 20 2024, 7:16 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Can't you shut those off on your tv?
Or, are they part of the show that starts later?


The first episode was primarily in Japanese. Hence the subtitles. As I understand the entire show is.
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#5 Posted: Sat, Apr 20 2024, 7:26 PM EST
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I've watched a fair amount of foreign films so subtitles ain't no big thing for me. I much rather have subtitles than badly spoken or dubbed English.

With that being said, the best use of subtitles was in the movie "The Harder They Come." Although they spoke "English", their Jamaican accents were so heavy, I could hardly make out anything they were saying. Irie!
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#6 Posted: Sat, Apr 20 2024, 7:34 PM EST
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Only two episodes in, but like it so far. Yeah, there's some reading, but you gwt used to it
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#7 Posted: Sat, Apr 20 2024, 9:31 PM EST
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I can’t hear well and the hearing aids help me to hear everything beyond TV range and it drowns out the TV. So I always have captions on or I don’t know what they’re saying.
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#8 Posted: Sun, Apr 21 2024, 1:55 PM EST
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jeebling wrote:
I can’t hear well and the hearing aids help me to hear everything beyond TV range and it drowns out the TV. So I always have captions on or I don’t know what they’re saying.

Get some profog per f'n hearing aids like the rest of us FOGs. fog
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#9 Posted: Sun, Apr 21 2024, 2:32 PM EST
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Only two episodes in, but like it so far. Yeah, there's some reading, but you gwt used to it


Daniel-san, I’mma sure you’re too young to remember the Richard Chamberlain version of “Shogun” but iffin’ you’ve seen it, how does it compare with the remake? More importantly, do they pronounce “samurai” correctly? Think

https://youtu.be/PJekDvuBXqE?si=T2ULhNM7zqIh_fs0
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#10 Posted: Sun, Apr 21 2024, 3:46 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
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Did you see the Richard Chamberlin mini series version of the story?

IMO, this one is better as the visuals are much better done.
The story follows the book better also.

Mini series Mariko was much hotter though...Wink
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#12 Posted: Mon, Apr 22 2024, 1:11 PM EST
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The visuals of the latest version are much more authentic looking and appealing...but the original version was more impactful culturally, putting a positive spotlight on Japan as it was becoming a world power again with Japanese cars overtaking American cars on the world market...it was rare to see Asian faces in prominent roles on TV and in the movies back then, although Toshiro Mifune was a recognized international film star.
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#13 Posted: Mon, Apr 22 2024, 1:46 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
The visuals of the latest version are much more authentic looking and appealing...but the original version was more impactful culturally, putting a positive spotlight on Japan as it was becoming a world power again with Japanese cars overtaking American cars on the world market...it was rare to see Asian faces in prominent roles on TV and in the movies back then, although Toshiro Mifune was a recognized international film star.




Couldn’t agree more about the cultural impact of the OR.

Would also add electronics to the influence Japan was having on the world in the early ‘80s. Two key Sony products - the Betamax (RIP) and the soon to be ubiquitous Walkman changed the way the world watched TV and listened to music. And then add the CD in 1983 and yah, Japanese electronics ruled the world for a bit.

By the time “Shogun” captured America, Mifune was already one of my all-time favorite actors so it was totally cool to see him on American network TV in a lead role.
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#14 Posted: Mon, Apr 22 2024, 2:06 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
The visuals of the latest version are much more authentic looking and appealing...but the original version was more impactful culturally, putting a positive spotlight on Japan as it was becoming a world power again with Japanese cars overtaking American cars on the world market...it was rare to see Asian faces in prominent roles on TV and in the movies back then, although Toshiro Mifune was a recognized international film star.



Palama wrote:
Couldn’t agree more about the cultural impact of the OR.

Would also add electronics to the influence Japan was having on the world in the early ‘80s. Two key Sony products - the Betamax (RIP) and the soon to be ubiquitous Walkman changed the way the world watched TV and listened to music. And then add the CD in 1983 and yah, Japanese electronics ruled the world for a bit.

By the time “Shogun” captured America, Mifune was already one of my all-time favorite actors so it was totally cool to see him on American network TV in a lead role.


You should read the book The Reckoning by David Halberstam about post WWII Japan eclipsing American auto production shown through the comparative eyes of Datsun (Nissan) and Ford Motor Company.

It is about both companies. In small part, it goes into just-in-time" manufacturing techniques (but is not technical in any way). Just how they beat us inn the long-run.

Great book!!!
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#15 Posted: Mon, Apr 22 2024, 2:16 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
You should read the book The Reckoning by David Halberstam about post WWII Japan eclipsing American autos production shown through the comparative eyes of Datsun (Nissan) and Ford Motor Company.

It is about both companies. In small part, it goes into just-in-time" manufacturing techniques (but is not technical in any way). Just how they beat us inn the long-run.

Great book!!!


Thanks! Will add this to my list of books to read.

Interesting that you mention “just in time” manufacturing ‘cause the founders of the company I retired from, American Reprographics Co. (ARC), totally used that business model when they first started their Horatio Alger success story. They weren’t ever in the manufacturing biz but used JIT ordering when they bought an auto parts business and expanded it to new heights…then, of course, sold it to a competitor at a great profit!
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#16 Posted: Mon, Apr 22 2024, 3:02 PM EST
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Palama wrote:
Thanks! Will add this to my list of books to read.

Interesting that you mention “just in time” manufacturing ‘cause the founders of the company I retired from, American Reprographics Co. (ARC), totally used that business model when they first started their Horatio Alger success story. They weren’t ever in the manufacturing biz but used JIT ordering when they bought an auto parts business and expanded it to new heights…then, of course, sold it to a competitor at a great profit!

The book sez Ford began trying it, but the Japanese mastered it.

Fast, easy read for a thick paperback. Ever read anything by Halberstam?
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#17 Posted: Mon, Apr 22 2024, 3:48 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
The book sez Ford began trying it, but the Japanese mastered it.

Fast, easy read for a thick paperback. Ever read anything by Halberstam?


I put in a library request for the book already.

And no, don’t think I ever read anything by him. Perhaps the book / his style will motivate me to read more by him.
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#18 Posted: Mon, Apr 22 2024, 3:54 PM EST
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I don’t really care for the “Kelly & Mark” show but my wife does so anyway, Hiroyuki Sanada was a guest this morning so I actually paid attention to his interview. Learned that he was a child actor and since, he’s been in a few movies that I’ve seen. Gonna make sure I watch the series at some point in time.
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