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usahog Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 12-06-1999
Posts: 22,691
Note: this is rather long but worth reading, I had to copy and paste because it came from a site you half to log into....
MILITARY UPDATE: 'Outraged' Colonel Day Promises Supreme Court Appeal

Lawyer and war hero Col. George "Bud" Day was confident of victory last March following oral arguments on behalf of elderly military retirees before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in Washington, D.C. From their questions and remarks, a majority of judges seemed as angry as Day that 1.5 million retirees, many of them World War II and Korea War veterans, had seen the government renege on promises of free lifetime medical care. But the court that sounded so sympathetic months ago delivered a resounding blow to retirees Nov. 18. In a 9-to-4 decision, the judges affirmed a 1998 district court ruling that recruiter promises of free lifetime healthcare were not backed by statute and therefore were not binding.
Day said he was "outraged" by the decision against clients William Schism and Robert Reinlie, Air Force retirees who began their careers in World War II. More than 20,000 other retirees, age 65 and older, have made cash donations to the lawsuit, hoping that Day has a chance to turn it into a class action if his two named clients win on appeal.
"After having won it at oral argument," said Day, "I'm astounded to find that it went south." He promised an appeal to the Supreme Court.

The lengthy majority opinion by Judge Paul R. Michel acknowledged "moral claims" of the plaintiffs, but rejected every legal argument on their behalf, arguments that a three-judge panel of the same court had embraced last year. On petition from the government, the appeals court had ordered its earlier decision set aside and heard new arguments before the full court.
The new ruling concludes that no law or service regulation ever authorized free, unconditional lifetime medical care for retirees. If recruiters promised such benefits, even at the direction of service leaders, the promises are invalid because they were not backed by statute.
Day argued that even if no law spelled out a retiree's right to free lifetime care, recruiters made that promise, the services encouraged them to do so, and Congress appropriated the money over several decades. That was a contract. It wasn't until June 7, 1956 that Congress linked retiree medical care to the availability of space in service hospitals. Those who entered service before that date, and completed full careers, had an "implied" contract with the government for lifetime care, Day argued.
In 1996, when the military shifted to TRICARE, a managed care program, space available for many service elderly disappeared. Schism and Reinlie sued for breach of contract, seeking $10,000 apiece, the ceiling on claims under the Little Tucker Act. But the appeals court has ruled that whatever recruiters promised in the way of pay and benefits was not binding unless supported by statute.
"Congress -- and only Congress -- can authorize the benefits that a retired federal employee ... is entitled to receive," wrote Judge Michel. And Congress never authorized free, lifetime care, he said.
Even if contract law did apply, Michel wrote, recruiters lacked authority to promise free lifetime care because the benefit wasn't backed by law or service regulation. Access to care was always conditional in some way, said the court. After June of 1956, only "space available" care was guaranteed.
The majority opinion is wrong, Day said. If the court needs a statute in order to rule in favor of retirees, he said, it has one in the Little Tucker Act, which allows claims against the government for breach of contracts made by its agents. If the court is swayed by references to "space available" care, it should understand that promises of free lifetime care came earlier, as many World War II veterans were entering service.
Dissenting from the majority were the same three judges who ruled unanimously in favor of retirees in February 2001. Two had military backgrounds. The original trio was joined by a fourth judge who once worked as an Air Force civilian patent attorney.
Writing the dissent was Chief Judge H. Robert Mayer, a West Point graduate and Vietnam combat veteran. The military had promised lifetime medical care for more than 50 years, he wrote. Congress knew it and appropriated the money to provide that care. Yet the court majority, said Mayer, now "countenances the government's breach of the implied contracts and its taking of the rights vested in these retired servicemen."
The majority opinion noted that passage of TRICARE-for-Life two years ago reinforced the argument that Congress had not passed a law before providing retirees with lifetime care. But Mayer countered that statements made by lawmakers during the debate over TFL confirm that promises of lifetime care had been made and broken.
"The government has deprived the retirees of their vested rights," Mayer concluded, "and they are entitled to recover."
Judge S. Jay Plager, a Korean War veteran, joined in Mayer's dissent but filed comments of his own too. "Perhaps the problem," he wrote, "is that, with the demise of compulsory military service, too few of our citizens today have the experience of knowing firsthand what the military is about."
Is that a swipe at the court majority, with eight of nine judges having no military background? Day, a Medal of Honor recipient, believes that it is.
"He's saying, 'You bunch of dumb *****. If you had been in the military, you'd have had a clue what went on'," Day surmised.
If military experience decides this issue, an appeal to the Supreme Court might not fare well either. Only three of nine justices are service veterans.
usahog Offline
#2 Posted:
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What the shame is and what they do not go on and tell.. is most of these appointed Judges were appointed by our Buddy Billy Boy.. the appropraited Moneys that was put back for the Veterans funds along with many other Funds was being depleted by the Clinton Administration to try and keep this country on a rise instead of dealing with the real issues at hand...Rick you like to surf and look up information... why don't you research what these two Veterans are in need of long term care for??? maybe there files got misplaced or sent to the wrong section to be filed because of some Misfit who didn't give a **** about his job or being in the Military for God and Country!!!

Laterzzzz
Hog
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
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usahog

on the nose. used and abused. military personnel are disposable. i wonder if the government will start charging rental costs for wheel chairs for paraplegics.
usahog Offline
#4 Posted:
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http://www.centcom.mil/News/Stories/Operation%20Enduring%20Freedom/10_02/10_02_16/10_02_16.htm

Rick..
Disposable,used and abused... Only because there are folks like yourself out there that feels we don't need a Military and our tax dollors shouldn't be going there to support it...
everyone is Disposable in this world...you stated you were Jewish... are you so pissed off at America because it took us to long to enter WWII? and many of your kin folk had lost there lives because of a Dictator Like Saddam Hussain wanted the Jews Iniholated? (sp) same will happen to Isreal if givin the Chance Saddam would launch a strike against them in a heartbeat.. but this is not in your back yard so therefor you do not care and protest against it? we have been over in that region since the end of the gulf war.. the reason Bush Sr did not finish the Job is because after the Liberal Media made the "Highway of Death" look like a American Slaughter adventure.. the Commander and Chief at that time felt it was best to call a ciece fire.. little did the American Public no or care was the remaining Iraq troops fleeing from Kuwait were on there way up to join with the Republican Guard who were trapped in Basara (sp) and had the pictures and videos not been out and American Military not been looked at like the bad guy... Saddam Hussain would not be in power and Gen. Swartzcof would not been retired so soon!!! and We would not be spending as much time in that region... by the way for the Record... the Egytians (sp) were the one's who did not bring back any Prisoners off that Highway... they were the ones let go up that road!!! I have also had the Honor to meet and talk with Kuwaiti POW's and the true story of what the Iraq's who people like yourself want to protect..did to them while in captivity..but the only Echo I can hear is you saying So what it wasn't ME....

Enjoy the Artical on that Site... there's a True American!!!!

Laterzzzz
Hog
DrMaddVibe Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,513
Hog, you hit on some good points, but I gotta remind you that the reason we didn't go after Saddam during the Gulf War was because it wasn't an objective. THE objective was to liberate Kuwait from it's occupation by Iraq.
CJBully Offline
#6 Posted:
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That case is a shame, but guess who appointed the judge?
Paul R. Michel
Circuit judge; born February 3, 1941, in Philadelphia, PA; son of Lincoln M. Michel and Dorothy Kelley; educated in public schools in Wayne and Radnor, PA; B.A., Williams College, 1963, J.D., University of Virginia Law School, 1966; married Sally Ann Clark, 1965 (divorced, 1987); children, Sarah Elizabeth and Margaret Kelley; married Dr. Elizabeth Morgan, 1989; Second Lieutenant, U.S. Army Reserve (1966-72); admitted to practice: Pennsylvania (1967), U.S. district court (1968), U.S. circuit court (1969), and U.S. Supreme Court (1969); assistant district attorney, Philadelphia, PA (1967-71); Deputy District Attorney for Investigations (1972-74); Assistant Watergate Special Prosecutor (1974-75); assistant counsel, Senate Intelligence Committee (1975-76); deputy chief, Public Integrity Section, Criminal Division, U.S. Department of Justice (1976-78); "Koreagate" prosecutor (1976-78); Associate Deputy Attorney General (1978-81); Acting Deputy Attorney General (Dec. 1979-Feb. 1980); counsel and administrative assistant to Senator Arlen Specter (1981-88); nominated December 19, 1987 by President Ronald Reagan to be circuit judge, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit, confirmed by Senate on February 29, 1988, and assumed duties of the office on March 8, 1988.
http://www.fedcir.gov/judgbios.html#Michel

those damn liberals...LMAO!

usahog Offline
#7 Posted:
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Had to reaserch and post a little more in depth on that one since your post CJ.
Opinion for the court filed by Circuit Judge MICHEL (Reagan), in which Circuit Judges LOURIE (Bush Sr.), CLEVENGER (Bush Sr.), RADER (Bush Sr.), SCHALL (Bush Sr.), BRYSON (Clinton), LINN (Clinton), ****** (Clinton), and PROST (Bush Jr.) join.
Dissenting opinion filed by Chief Judge MAYER (Reagan), in which Circuit Judge NEWMAN (Reagan), Senior Circuit Judge PLAGER (Bush Sr.), and Circuit Judge GAJARSA (Clinton) join.
here is the whole case:
http://www.ll.georgetown.edu/federal/judicial/fed/99opinions/99-1402.html
and here's the judges bio's
http://www.fedcir.gov/judgbios.html

I love to do my homework LMAO!!!
and who said anything about Liberals here?? what was stated in the original post was that all the dessenting Judges had at one timed Served there Country in the Military and that we need more like that!!!
Enjoy
Laterzzzz
Hog
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