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Tobasco Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Dec 1 2002, 6:14 PM EST
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This months cigar afficianado had a article on what the stars or famous peoples favorite smoke is. Montecristo #2 was mentioned a few times. Any of you had one? Whats your opinion. Mag
jazzman Offline
#2 Posted: Sun, Dec 1 2002, 6:21 PM EST
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ISOM or Dominican?
justforfun Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Dec 1 2002, 6:28 PM EST
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What is ISOM? I figure it has to be the Cuban #2 and not the Dominican (CA only rated the latter at 86)#2. I just bought some of the latter at 7.09 a stick. I'll let you know my thoughts once I get to them.
Tobasco Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Dec 1 2002, 7:00 PM EST
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I would have to check. I assume Dominican because some of these famous people were politicians. Im thinking they would be smoking legal montes. Maybe Im naieve. Mag
cwilhelmi Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Dec 1 2002, 7:03 PM EST
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They're talking about the cuban version, the dominican doesn't compare!
defcon Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Dec 1 2002, 7:08 PM EST
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Gotta be the cuban and it is up there with the davidoff special T I smoked as my favs with the PAM up there as well
Tobasco Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Dec 1 2002, 7:40 PM EST
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Ive seen websites that sell the cuban montes but I always chicken out at the last second before I click the last button to order for fear of getting busted. Are the sites safe? Mag
xibbumbero Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Dec 1 2002, 7:45 PM EST
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They are XLNT. X
CJBully Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Dec 1 2002, 9:17 PM EST
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Mag,

send me an e-mail re: "is it safe?".

[email protected]
Charlie Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Dec 2 2002, 5:26 AM EST
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Montecristo #2 is the very, very best of ISOM's (my opinion) and they are the standard to judge other ISOM's by!

Charlie
SteveR@CigarBid Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Dec 2 2002, 6:07 AM EST
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From my experiences with Montecristo:

Dominican: mild, 1 dimensional, boring
ISOM: harsh, unbalanced, disappointing

You can smoke a real cigar for half the price!
Slimboli Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Dec 2 2002, 6:09 AM EST
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... that is, unless you have tried a Saint Luis Rey 'A', a Trinidad Fundadores, a Ramone Allones Gigantes, a Diplomaticos No. 4 or 5, just to mention a few that have consistantly received higher ratings in taste tests ... ;^)
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Dec 2 2002, 6:48 AM EST
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#5
the perfect cigar.
cigarz Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Dec 2 2002, 7:27 AM EST
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I got busted,and a nasty letter from Customs along with a chance to get my cigars if I submit a form with $200 and "just cause" to why I should received these potentially illegal items. I made a sale to this site (Madrid Spain) several times before 9/11 with no problems. I believe they are checking most overseas shipments now. This site sends the cigars without labels and no identifying origin markings.
Anybody had recent dealings with importing Cubans???
Z
Mr.Mean Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Dec 2 2002, 10:30 AM EST
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Milder than expected,very complex though, and quite a good experience was my first #2. I have a fake sitting the humi now that I imagine will compare with I.am.steve's experience.
SteveR@CigarBid Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Dec 2 2002, 11:32 AM EST
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Hey now, I got mine from a legitimate source :)
Berry C Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Dec 2 2002, 11:57 AM EST
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The ISOM #2 is a GREAT cigar if it is given to you, and a good cigar if you must pay for it. I like the ISOM R&J churchill the best of all cuban cigars that I have smoked.
CJBully Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Dec 2 2002, 12:00 PM EST
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I've got to agree with Charlie, although I smoked a RyJ CDL #1 last night and WOW! The first time that I've ever tasted the hint of citrus and then a lil floral but further down lots of spice and cedar. I'm prowling the net as I write...
Mr.Mean Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Dec 2 2002, 12:17 PM EST
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LOL @ i.am.steve! I'm not discrediting your source, I just now by the looks of this gifted "beauty", it's going to be a treat!
jdrabinski Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Dec 3 2002, 5:10 AM EST
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I too got 'intercepted', but there was no harsh letter. Written on the package, where the contents section said 'pencils' (ha ha ha!), was 'liar liar liar.' The **** took my cigars! Five Cohiba Siglo IV included. My source just resent them and everything was fine. Don't buy from a source that won't resend. I am happy to share a couple of reliable sources, if you want to email me: [email protected] (I get so much spam, I don't care if they read the @ sign. I've given up).

RE: Montecristo #2, I made the mistake of starting smoking cigars with this cigar. Makes it difficult to go on without being a millionaire. Now, the Padron 1926 Series matches up very nicely...bought two last week. Get them if you can.

j
jamesconnors Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Dec 3 2002, 12:50 PM EST
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whats better the isom monte#2 or an opux x double corona?
Slimboli Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Dec 3 2002, 1:46 PM EST
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... that's like asking, 'whats better ... a blonde or brunette?

... all a matter of personal taste!
Intel Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Dec 3 2002, 1:54 PM EST
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I agree with Rick #5 is an amazing smoke
justforfun Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Dec 3 2002, 4:33 PM EST
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Tried a Dominican #2 yesterday. Was mild and nice. Nothing extraordinary.
rayder1 Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Dec 3 2002, 10:43 PM EST
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I'm staring at a whole humidor full of great cigars from several places, made by different manufacturers. Not an ISOM in the lot. For the price of 6 or 7 of these cigars, I too can buy a single Cuban cigar.

Or

I can enjoy what I got, for what I paid for them. Maybe one day, Castro will die and we will find it in our hearts to lift the embargo.

Then, I will probably bid on a few 5 packs from Cbid at a reasonable price. Then I will be better informed. I just can't stomach blowing a few to several hundred dollars on a handful of smokes to take a chance at disappointment...providing they get here at all.

I think I might have tried a few ISOM's while on a cruise, looked good, tasted good, but not guaranteed they were real.

Sounds like the Montecristo #2 Cuban is the preferred cigar of the elite. When Castro rests in peace and they lift the embargo,I will buy one and smoke it to honor his passing.
CJBully Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Dec 3 2002, 11:32 PM EST
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cigarz,
If the smokes had no scars, marks, or tattoos id'ing them as ISOM's, how did the federales justify their capture? I'm not a tobacconist nor am I a botanist but to me all leaf looks the same. Could our government now be doing DNA testing on the smokes coming across the border?
Slimboli Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Dec 4 2002, 3:53 AM EST
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CJBully --- FYI, there are some very distinguishing ways to tell if a cigar is Cuban, even without it's band.

If the cigar is not a figurado, or a curly-head, have a close look to its head. You will see a fine spiral line making two and a half turns (the trademark triple-cap), that corresponds to a piece of wrapper leaf cut in a half-moon shape (named "pañuelo"), that is twisted at the very end of the cigar, and covered by another piece of wrapper leaf with a circular shape (named "casquillo").

This kind of finishing is done to keep the wrapper from unraveling when cutting the head of the cigar (provided you do not cut the cap completely!). Most counterfeits and domestic cigars do not have this characteristic "pañuelo" finishing, but only the "casquillo".

Also, All Cohíbas (except the new Pirámides) are parejos, i.e. no irregular shapes ... but there are two of them with a clear differentiation; Lanceros and Coronas Especiales caps are finished with a "pig tail" (curly heads).

Cohíba Lanceros are the most counterfeited Cuban cigars. Their format (7 1/2" x 38) makes them very difficult to manufacture, even for the best rollers with the best tobacco leaves, so a bogus is much more difficult to make... and to smoke!. False Lanceros have generally a so tight draw that makes them nearly impossible to be smoked.

I'm sure the customs people are well trained in looking for the 'red flags' that determine whether they are Cuban or domestic ...
CJBully Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Dec 4 2002, 5:14 AM EST
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Thanks Slim for setting the record straight. I've figured it was probably something on that level...
dhofer22 Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Dec 4 2002, 9:39 AM EST
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FAV. to me is Ashton aged maddie(any number)
rayder1 Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Dec 5 2002, 6:47 AM EST
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I think Customs takes a box...samples one or two. If they are dog rockets, they let them through. If they taste up to par with Cubans...they send out the note to the recipient.

I think in the long run, they have some phenominal herfs.

We need to recruit some Custom's agents to this forum. As for politicians, they have this little case they carry called a diplomatic satchel or briefcase. It is exempt from Customs in all countries. Nice place to stuff a couple boxes of Montecristo #2 ISOM's.
cwilhelmi Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Dec 5 2002, 7:01 AM EST
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rayder1 - can the diplomatic satchle be scanned thru the x-ray or metal detector? Seems to be a potential security hazard!!
cigarz Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, Dec 6 2002, 5:18 AM EST
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CJ
I'm not sure if the US Customs agents are C. aficionados to notice the difference as mentioned above, but they probably scan all European shipments, open the suspicious ones, notice they have no bands, confiscate, send a letter to have me prove they are legal. Again it cost $200+ just to protest the confiscation. Interesting note: they were Cohiba Robustos and Diplimaticos. The bastards are now enjoying my smokes.
Z
weich Offline
#33 Posted: Fri, Dec 6 2002, 9:24 AM EST
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I've read that U.S. Customs has developed a chemical test to Cuban cigars. Supposedly they can drop a few drops of it onto a suspected smoke and wait for a reaction, the chemical works with an acid that is only present in Cuban smokes.

It is legal to have cuban cigars, if they come through legal channels. I'm sure that politicians would have no trouble finding legal sources to credit for their smokes, even if they hadn't gotten them legaly.
Tobasco Offline
#34 Posted: Fri, Dec 6 2002, 7:24 PM EST
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Well guys, I ordered a 4-pack of Cuban Montes #2 Today. I will let you know how it goes. CJ turned me on to a site that is pretty nice. $55 + $8 S+H. I will keep you posted on the progress of the order and the eventual taste test. Thanks for all the posts !! Mag
rayder1 Offline
#35 Posted: Sat, Dec 7 2002, 10:35 AM EST
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Cwilhelmi. The diplomatic immunity extends immunity from search, scrutiny and delay in travel. I don't think it is a terrorist threat, since it would be considered an act of war for an diplomat to commit an act of terrorism. But a majority of smuggled documents, results of spy operations and stolen military secrets are smuggled in and out of countries via diplomatic couriers in secured diplimatically immune satchels.

I just thought it would be a breat way to smuggle in some smokes if you are a high ranking politician.
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