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Tobasco Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Jan 1 2003, 12:54 PM EST
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Rich Gannon recieves MVP! It probably wont be a big deal to him, if he doesnt take the Raiders to the Superbowl. Rich Gannon is one of those Pros that doesn't look for self recognition. He does Great things & just walks off the field. This MVP award is well deserved.

GO RAIDERS!!

Mag
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huttman78 Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2003, 7:04 AM EST
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no body cares!!!
huttman78 Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2003, 7:14 AM EST
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just kidding, i agree, well deserved
SteveR@CigarBid Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2003, 8:10 AM EST
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I think the majority of the pros out there are looking for a ring rather than an MVP trophy. While it is great to receive an MVP trophy, it is even better to win at the big dance.

Basically, he won MVP for the regular season...the true MVP will shine in the playoffs. Who knows, maybe it will be him shining, proving he is and should be the MVP.
Tobasco Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2003, 8:33 AM EST
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i.am.steve,
The MVP is for the regular season. I said in my original post that Gannon deserves it, but if he doesnt take them to the "promised land" it wont mean as much to him.
Did Mark Mcguire win a ring? Did Barry Bonds win a ring? No. Its not a requirement. Maybe it should be, but it isnt now.
This does give other GREAT players a chance that arent on playoff teams(Priest Holmes).
On another thread I did say that Gannon would probably trade all his records he broke this season and his MVP award for a Superbowl ring. Thanks for the responce.

Mag
Charlie Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2003, 8:36 AM EST
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Hey not bad for a former KC Chief backup, who should have been the starter in KC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He deserves the MVP and he is of the "old school" type of player!

Hats off to Rich!!

Charlie
SteveR@CigarBid Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2003, 8:41 AM EST
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Mag, don't get me wrong...Gannon had a great season. He played extremely well, and his team backed him up just as well. I am not denying that fact. However, every player always feels something is missing without that ring. It's what they strive for, since they were kids.

He deserved it, and worked hard for it. But I am just saying, it will be interesting to see if the MVP for the regular season can continue throughout the playoffs for the ultimate goal, or if he too will feel like something is missing...
Todog Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2003, 9:50 AM EST
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I thought I was the guy who said Gannon would trade all of his records in for a SB ring.....plagiarizer!!!LOL....congrats Mag...Gannon is very deserving of the reward for his tremendous season. You know, last year, Tailgater was telling anyone and everyone who wouldn't listen, how the New England Patriots were going to the promised land long before anyone even recognized the fact that they were a great team. We know how that ended up! You and the Raiders might be doing the same thing this year! Take care, John
Todog Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2003, 9:50 AM EST
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I'm only a Bears fan...what would I know!!!!LOL
Tobasco Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2003, 11:12 AM EST
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Todog, As I recall you did say that. I agree, and did mention it to others. So I guess I said it too! You can have the copyright to it. I owe you one! Hehe!

Mag
hegemonic Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2003, 7:26 PM EST
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Not to knock Gannon, but by all rights, Priest Holmes should've been the MVP. None of it will matter when the Eagles win the Superbowl! :)
Tobasco Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2003, 7:42 PM EST
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hegemonic, Just curious. Did Priest Holmes set any records this season? I'm not sure myself.
I think that is one of the reasons Gannon got it. He almost beat the all time passing yds record, he set a new record for most 300yd games, most receptions in a season, most receptions in a row. Maybe others.
Also he never missed a game. Just my observation.
Without him on the team, the offence would go nowhere.

Mag
CJBully Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2003, 7:46 PM EST
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Mag,

What did you do when Al took the Raiders south for those dozen or so years, root secretly for the Niners?

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Tobasco Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2003, 8:03 PM EST
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CJBully, first I cried, then I was mad. Still watched all the games. Never became a 49er fan.

Now things are finally how they should be!

Did "LA Raiders" really ever sound right? Not to me.

Im Happy Again!

Mag
Tobasco Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2003, 8:06 PM EST
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PS: CJ I got them! Wink! Wink!
I'll e-mail you tomorrow with more details.

Mag
jamesconnors Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2003, 8:37 PM EST
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WHAT ABOUT EMMIT SMITH? not a cowboys fan but hey hes a damn good player and broke records this year. even though the cowboys suck! but i have a feeling parcels will take care of that
Tobasco Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2003, 8:50 PM EST
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James, dont know why I'm still awake, but here goes! Weren't Emmetts records career type of records,instead of single season types of records? I'm not positive myself, I'm not a Dallas fan. I think Emmett was awesome for his age, but I think he has lost a step. The MVP is for performance for just one season. Emmett will never be forgotten and is a no brainer for the "Hall of Fame".

Mag
cashman Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2003, 3:04 AM EST
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Mag don't listen to I.am.steve his idea of good football is watching Italian League soccer on the Italian channel. Gannon did deserve the MVP for this year. He orchestraded that high scoring offense with precision. It's amazing how some guys go through the NFL for years and then they finally land on a team and thrive, ie Steve Young.
tarheel4lyf Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2003, 6:03 AM EST
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whatever......
Tobasco Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2003, 6:18 AM EST
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Hey cashman, havent seen you around much lately. Hope you had a Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!

Mag
cashman Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2003, 7:12 AM EST
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Mag,
I've been around, my Christmas and New Year's was good, hope your's was as well. I've just been so wrapped up in the college bowl games the past couple of weeks. You're in Cali correct? Do you live near Oakland? I have a friend that lives in Napa.
SteveR@CigarBid Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2003, 7:15 AM EST
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Cash, you better back off. I heard we're getting ticketed in Europe now too.
Todog Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2003, 7:21 AM EST
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The MVP shouldn't be based on what records were broken! Rich Gannon won because his team has been successful with his great season and leadership. While Priest Holmes had a great season also, his team was not as successful and he did miss a few games due to injury. Never the less, I think he still placed third or fourth on the ballot.
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#24 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2003, 7:27 AM EST
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Todog, you're right. A "deserving" player will not win the MVP since he was not part of a successful team...it happens all the time. Either way, there were a lot of great players that played well enough to be labeled MVP. Gannon was lucky enough to have a team support his efforts.
Tobasco Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2003, 8:48 AM EST
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Thanks for your opinions guys! I dont think it was luck though on Gannons part. The last 2 pro bowls he played in he got MVP then too! That isnt luck,it is consistancy on his part. I only mentioned records because is is part of the consideration, but not necessary for nomination. Look at Baseball. Was Mark Mcguire on a good team, No. The cardinals were crappy. He got it due to him breaking only one record. He isnt even that good at defence when compared to other 1st basemen. Thats baseball I realize, but thats how it is in some sports. Record breaking is impressive so it helps make a guy stand out. Just my opinion.

Mag
cashman Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2003, 9:05 AM EST
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Ok since there are those who think Gannon didn't deserve or felt someone else did deserve the MVP, tell us who you think did. I can think of four Priest Holmes, Brad Johnson, Favre or Vick. That's right Vick, if the Falcons didn't have him they wouldn't be in the playoffs.
Tobasco Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2003, 9:31 AM EST
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Cashman,Sorry I missed your last post. I live in San
Jose. About 45 minutes from Oakland. If you ever plan to be in the bay area, let me know. Maybe we can have a smoke & drink together. Take care

Mag
Todog Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2003, 1:05 PM EST
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I think that Gannon is very deserving of the honor but an argument could have been made for Favre who had less talent to work with and a slew of injuries. This is shown with the final vote tab as Gannon had 19 votes while Favre had 15. As far as Vick is concerned, I don't think people were ready for the great season that he had and with a few more like this one, he will win a few!
Tobasco Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2003, 1:14 PM EST
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Todog. Hey you make a good point. Also Vicks career is going to be fun to watch unfold. He is something else!!

Mag
cashman Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2003, 1:56 PM EST
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Mag next time I make it to Napa, which may be either this Spring or Summer, let's try and meet up. Maybe we could meet each other half way like Oakland or Berkley or something. You can take to your favorite Raider bar and tell your boys this is the East Coaster that was giving me a hard time a while back. Good luck to your Raiders in the playoffs. Oh yeah, finally my Cowboys have a future to look forward to, Parcells is just the man to straighten out that organization. Talk to you soon. I gots a National Championship to watch. Take care.
ducati996 Offline
#31 Posted: Sat, Jan 4 2003, 5:31 AM EST
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Ok, I will chime in, take it for what it is worth. True, Rich Gannon had a great season. As mentioned in a prior posting, it is interesting to see these "average" players thrive in a different system, i.e. Gannon, Preist Holmes, Steve Young, Kurt Warner, Mark Brunnell. I don't think Steve Young frightened anyone while starting for the Tampa Bay Bucs, likewise with Gannon running the Minnesota offense. Nevertheless, Rich Gannon did put up numbers worthy of winning the MVP and is deserving of the award.

LOL, Brett Favre should get some kind of award for being one of only 8 Packers to play in every game this season. It may be a defeatist attitude, but considering the injury situation, I am just happy the Pack made it this far.
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