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jazzman Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 2:35 PM EST
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I'm pretty sure I've been stiffed on a trade. I'ts been over 2 months since i sent my end and he hasn't responded to my e-mails for over a month. I'd hate to see him burn anyone else. Have I given him enough time?
BMW Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 2:41 PM EST
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Let's beat him with large chunks of dead rotten beaten horse flesh!

I think 2 months is a considerable amount of time, unless he's in a coma or something.

Barry
CulleyJC52 Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 2:50 PM EST
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More than enough time, whats the scum-buckets handle????
xrundog Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 2:58 PM EST
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You have been more than patient. 2 months is enough time to do whatever must be done to hold up his end. Or anything else!
Tobasco Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 3:17 PM EST
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Jazz, You got stiffed! Two months is plenty of time. Heck I feel guilty if I do a trade and I wait just a week to send. Sorry.

Mag
CJBully Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 3:19 PM EST
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Off with their head!
eze Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 3:27 PM EST
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Maybe your cigars are on backorder.
jreddoch Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 3:39 PM EST
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Out him!
Spiny Norman Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 4:14 PM EST
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Out him, draw and quarter him. Makes no differance to me.
xibbumbero Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 4:34 PM EST
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Lets burn the ****,hanging is too good for him! X
jdrabinski Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 4:47 PM EST
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Damn...two months? I felt bad today saying I couldn't send out my end of the trade until tomorrow. Then again, I am deeply affected by the proverbial 'Catholic guilt' thing, so perhaps I am a poor measure.

Tell us who he is, both to protect future traders and (though less so) because human beings love gossip.

John
joelmitre Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 4:51 PM EST
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I'd have to agree with John. It's too bad, but the 10% rule holds true. Unfortunate, but the guy has stiffed you.
jazzman Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 4:57 PM EST
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You talked me into it... His handle is "craney" --he gave me a Houston address. His name is Chris. Sound familiar to any of you Houston herfers?
jazzman Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 5:01 PM EST
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I didn't know this guy when I agreed to the trade. He actually e-mailed me and proposed a trade. I should have known something was fishy...
jjohnson28 Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 5:05 PM EST
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Sorry you got hosed. Never heard of him.
BMW Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 5:08 PM EST
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jazzman,
I did a search for this guy and came up with nothing. I think I am familiar with who most of the posters are that are from the Houston area and he dosen't sound familiar. I was just going to ask how you two got connected.

Sounds like a troll.

Barry
wbslngr Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 5:19 PM EST
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troll? - what is troll?

Maybe we can make a black list that we can look to and add if people screw one of us over.
Tobasco Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 5:39 PM EST
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Jazz, just curious. What did you send him?

Mag
eze Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 5:39 PM EST
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Give out his mailing address. I'll send him an envelope full of my ass hair and toe nail clippings. Maybe some one else can mail him some used toilet paper. We can redefine the term "junk mail".
CanyonDVM Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 5:43 PM EST
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Anyone doing this should spend the rest of their life allowed only to smoke White Owls, drink instant coffee, and "read" old Penthouse mgazines!!!
osage Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 5:54 PM EST
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After the great experience that I had with the Xmas Cigar Exchange (received way more than I sent),it really sucks to hear someone would do this to you.
xibbumbero Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 6:18 PM EST
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There's a guy on HP named Mcraney,I wonder if it's him? X
xrundog Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 6:28 PM EST
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Hope you didn't lose too much Jazzman. Lesson learned: Don't trade with a handle you haven't seen before. I've been posting here about a year. Pretty much fall into the hopelessly addicted category. I have never met any of you and yet....it would bother me to be vilified here. It's a strange internet phenomenon. I guess it's not so strange to be honorable though. At least I hope not.
emgjet Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 7:48 PM EST
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Jazz: Thanks for letting us know who he is...I hope others did not suffer the same bad luck. Hope you didn't lose much.
Ed
wouldestous Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 8:54 PM EST
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jazz- sorry to hear it. you sent followup emails asking WTF, right? ive done numerous trades on different boards and have only once been disappointed. every other time ive gotten at leeast what the deal was for and usually more. email me; madpeoples*yahoo and ill send you some stuff to make it up.

x- mcraney on hp is also an old regular at cf. he is in the midwest somewhere, i think, not texas.
ken9810 Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 9:03 PM EST
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I thought the same thing as X as soon as I read 'craney'.No matter,post his name and address here and on H.P.,which unfortunately had an influx of lurking wackos go active after JR shut down.But two months,man are you waiting for this guy to return your credit cards too?

And ask for references.No one has asked me for one in over three years,still I'd respect rather than take offence someone who did so today.
wbslngr Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 2:46 AM EST
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Anyone like the blacklist page idea that I suggested?
jazzman Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 5:45 AM EST
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I sent an assortment for him to try--nothing great. His end was supposed to be 10 Arture Fuente Curly Head Deluxe Maduros...No great loss. Learned a great lesson. Don't trade with strangers unless you do a background check first...
THL Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 6:31 AM EST
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I'm in the process of transacting my 1st trade right now. I have no background to check. My trade partner will make out very well. Sometimes you should take the chance. I think a "Blacklist" of known offenders is cool though. The only problem is who will maintain it?
wbslngr Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 6:50 AM EST
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I could maintain it. I could make out a form like we had for the cigar exchange and I can make the form post to a webpage for us to see and use.
Charlie Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 9:25 AM EST
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Great idea!!!

Charlie
Mr.Mean Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 10:33 AM EST
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The Gestapo of cigar trading? This could get ugly.
Sonny_LSU Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 11:10 AM EST
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Send him a certified letter that has legal overtones...bluff if you don't have a friend who is an attorney.
Todog Offline
#34 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 1:08 PM EST
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I'm sure after he reads this, he'll call the bluff!
Sonny_LSU Offline
#35 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 1:15 PM EST
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Todog, shhhhhhhh!!!! It's a secret!
Dishman Offline
#36 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 4:09 PM EST
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I have a cousin in N.Y. (aka "The Praying Mantis") who will gladly solve this problem for you. He is real handy with a cattle prod, lol. Seriously, put him/her out there for all of us to get a piece of.
GetYourOwn Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2003, 8:15 AM EST
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First I was gonna say 10 curly heads aint that big of a deal. But you have been smoking those Bad Frogs.

Sorry for your loss.
plabonte Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2003, 8:23 AM EST
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Why don't you post his mailing address. Then we can all send letters telling him what we think of him.

Plus if anyone lives or visits the area they can pay him a visit.
Slimboli Offline
#39 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2003, 4:14 PM EST
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Here is a list of bad traders from another cigar forum, that one guy set-up in his 'profile' ...

http://members.cox.net/ormazd/ScumbagPage.htm

Make sure you have your sound on ... this is too funny, and pretty clever!
Smoker06 Offline
#40 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2003, 5:31 PM EST
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Jazz, don't feel bad about "outing" a guy under these circumstances. Just post the facts and so others can beware. It's the right thing to do. Also, I'm sorry to hear you got stiffed. It's not worth the effort of retaliation with lawyers and stuff, but e-mail me for some advice. baumfr aol com

X - I seriously doubt it was McRaney.
xibbumbero Offline
#41 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2003, 5:36 PM EST
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It was just a thought not an accusation. X
Smoker06 Offline
#42 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2003, 5:40 PM EST
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I knew that X. From what I've seen, you're a pretty "stand-up" guy yourself. Peace!
rayder1 Offline
#43 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2003, 5:44 PM EST
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Slim...that was agreat link. Man...one of those guys was so bad someone even did a web page on him. Hope he stays away from this forum.
xibbumbero Offline
#44 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2003, 7:57 PM EST
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Thanx Smoker,I stood up when I read that,LOL. X
E-Chick Offline
#45 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2003, 7:58 PM EST
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Good info Slim (nice to see you around)...

Boy, I'd sure hate to get on that guy's bad side (the one who is linked from the site that you posted)...
Steve*R Offline
#46 Posted: Mon, Jan 20 2003, 6:35 PM EST
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Before you ever publish anyone's name and address on a public forum, check with the forum's sponsor. They may wish not to have their forum used for that purpose. If there is a mistake, issues of slander and/or libel may surface.
eze Offline
#47 Posted: Mon, Jan 20 2003, 6:58 PM EST
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Libel..schmibel. He's getting a sandwich bag full of ass hair and some used sanitary napkins.
rookie139 Offline
#48 Posted: Tue, Jan 21 2003, 11:05 AM EST
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Agree with others here...The scumbag isn't McRaney...He lives near me (not Texas) and from what I've heard, a respected member of "another" board...Haven't met him though but know several that have
Charlie Offline
#49 Posted: Tue, Jan 21 2003, 11:50 AM EST
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Keith, as usual you are the voice of reason!!!! Out the ****!!!

Charlie
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