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tailgater Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Jan 18 2003, 5:48 PM EST
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The majority of those opposing the probable war with Iraq are the same ones who claim Bush "knew" about the sept 11th tragedy yet did nothing.
Exactly what was the "smoking gun" back then?
SteveS Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Jan 18 2003, 7:07 PM EST
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Interesting point, 'gater ...

And, speaking of "it seems to me" ... what do you make of the fact that it seems so many of those who are opposed to the looming war with Iraq on the grounds that "it's all about oil" and talk as if we should be functioning independently of any reliance on middle-east oil are the same people who are opposed to exploring for oil in Alaska or off any of our coastlines ??? .... I mean really ... what the hell are they thinking ??? ... or ARE they thinking ??? ... in their fanciful dreams, do they envision some fairy godmother waving a magic wand and producing oil by magic ??? This would be, one is left to suppose, the same fairy godmother who will prevent Sadaam from utilizing his weapons against us or anyone else he takes offense with ...

I saw a fellow on Market Street in downtown SF yesterday who was distributing leaflets calling on people to "Stop The War With Iraq" ... I asked him what plan of action he advocated ... he absolutely amazed me by saying that the CIA has "people" who could sneak into Iraq and assassinate Sadaam and just tiptoe out of town without anyone noticing ... I told him he was delusional and a lot less than realistic ... as he began an anti-Reagan/Bush/Cheney/etc rant, I told him that luckily for him, there were people with a great deal more sand in their ass than he had who were realistic enough to go and take care of business in order for him to continue to enjoy the right to spout stupidity on the street corner ... before he could reply, another protester walked up, carrying a large placard saying something about it all being the fault of beings from the "seventh galaxy" ... I told the first guy "here comes someone who might be sympathetic to your bull****" and walked away in disgust ... it's no damn wonder everyone in the country thinks SF is some gigantic bowl of granola ... our fruits, nuts and flakes are so prominently visible ...
Mr.Mean Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Jan 18 2003, 7:51 PM EST
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The comment from one protestor (protester, protestant,prostitute, prognosticater,???) on the radio was "We should just love each other".
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Jan 18 2003, 9:38 PM EST
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Mr.Mean

that's just bull s**t.

tell me steve, what's wrong with trying not to go to war?
xrundog Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Jan 19 2003, 5:39 AM EST
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Well, we SHOULD just love each other. Problem is, many people have no love to give. I wonder if Saddam isn't a creation of our middle east policy from way back. Still, he must be dealt with now. I do not like the idea of sneaking around and killing people in the dark. Isn't that what the bad guys do? If it needs to be done, wade in and hit him fast and hard. As has been said before, it IS about oil. But that's not ALL it's about. Perhaps we created the problem. If that's true, it's up to us to solve it.
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#6 Posted: Sun, Jan 19 2003, 8:14 AM EST
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xrundog

good insight.

do WE have to put the bell on the cat?
xrundog Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Jan 19 2003, 11:58 AM EST
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Rick, Who else?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Jan 19 2003, 2:09 PM EST
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if it has to be done, only us.
jamesconnors Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Jan 19 2003, 6:22 PM EST
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well....it does have to happen... we have reasoned and gave countless chances...by ridding iraq of saddam it wll also stop funding to al-queda and other millitant muslum groups. it would be good if we could avert war but...we no longer can. war is the only option.
Mr.Mean Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Jan 20 2003, 12:12 PM EST
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Rick, can you explain your "that's just bulls**t" comment please.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Jan 20 2003, 5:31 PM EST
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Mr.Mean

not directed at you. directed at the "we should just love each other" folks. i should have been clear.
Mr.Mean Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Jan 21 2003, 1:12 PM EST
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I knew that. I don't love anybody and look how well I'm doing.
southernsupreme Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Jan 22 2003, 2:39 PM EST
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If our president stopped all the B.S. and announced to the world that our check book was now closed.Imposed large tarrifs on all imported goods .Ejected all non U.S. citizens from the country ( as he should in a real time of war) people may take him more seriously.
justforfun Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2003, 6:49 PM EST
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BBD: Buchanan lost the election.
SteveS Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2003, 7:16 PM EST
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In response to:
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Author: RICKAMAVEN Date: 01/19/2003 02:38 AM

tell me steve, what's wrong with trying not to go to war?
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Nothing
In fact, I have the clear impression that's exactly what the primary effort IS right now, even though there is a very clear build-up to what may be an inevitable necessity ...

What I am opposed to is an "avoid war at ALL costs (or any cost) ... I'm opposed to those who take advantage of freedom to oppose and and all efforts to RETAIN that freedom ... to those who sneer at and "dump" on our military for the simple reason that they ARE our miltary ...

It is incumbent on us to "put the bell on the cat" for the very simple reason that we alone are capable of doing so and the job is one that must be done for the greater good of all humanity ... many of our citizens were opposed to intervention in Europe in the late 30's and somehow believed that "Fortress America" could just ride out the events that were happening "over there" as though they had no impact on us ... one would suppose (or hope) that the lessons of that time could have been more aptly learned, but that is apparently and unhappily, not the case ... we're all citizens of a small, blue planet and what must be done has seldom been more clear. One might hope that we could do a little better job of supporting those select few on whose shoulders getting the job done will fall.

It seems to me that a few marches in support of our forces are in order ...






jjohnson28 Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2003, 9:04 PM EST
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Good answer Steve and I might just add because of 8 years of no action,it is the right thing to do.
southernsupreme Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Jan 25 2003, 4:03 AM EST
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justforfun: And that is the problem,I wish he had won,some recent disasters may have been avoided. we (america) spend so much time being a citizen of the world that we have forgot he the old saying 'charity begins at home" .
My concern is that if/when all H@ll breaks loose that
our economy will be devistated because we have made ourselves dependent on imports, we are no longer self-sufficient.
We should have a strong miliary and be able to take what ever action we deem necesary with out a$$ kissing
the U.N or any one else for that matter.
We should also be able to manufacture the items we need for daily living, we dont.
All the other countries are aginst us, we are about to take action they do not approve of, why would they not
do the same to us as we have done to others? Why would they not embargo usa goods (oops i forgot we dont make any thing) well, what would prevent them from withholding goods to us? that seems to be the approved way the global economy handles those who do not go along.
Im not a complete isolationist, just help me understand how we can be a "super power" ,protect our
country, if we dont protect our borders and manufacture what we need to live.
(forgive the many spelling errors, its early and Ive not hit he humidior yet.)
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