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RICKAMAVEN Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 6:54 PM EST
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to bid on cigars i know nothing about and bid by the foot? it takes 4 6" cigars to make 2', but only 3 8" cigars to make the same 2'.

just posing a question.
Tobasco Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 7:03 PM EST
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Sorry, Maybe its too late. What the hell are you talking about? Im confused, drunk, or tired.

Mag
eze Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 7:21 PM EST
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It's simple if you keep the bidding to toros, robustos, and churchills. But in Canada bidding by the foot is confusing (metric system) as is purchasing them (conversion rates). But after looking into this I've found cigars by the centimater divide nicely into canadian currency. Therefore, the euro-dollar is the only currency to avoid. I hope this clears things up for you.
SteveS Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 7:22 PM EST
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I think I understand ... Rick is telling us he considers a unit of measure when making his bids .... he's adding the length of the cigars to see how many feet of cigar smoking pleasure he gets per dollar spent ... by that reckoning, a 25ct box or bundle of 8" cigars would have 33.3% more smoking potential than a 25ct box or bundle of 6" cigars and would merit a similar increase in ones bid for them ... by that formula, if one is willing to bid, say $51 for the box/bundle of 6" smokes, one should be willing to bid $68 for the 8" smokes ...

I must confess that's a strategy I've not only never used, but one I've never considered ... it IS food for thought, though I don't think i'm likely to put it into practice ...
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 7:46 PM EST
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SteveS
you have got it except, as they say, you have the decimal in the wrong place. if rick is going to bid on a box of 25 cigars at $11.00 he would pick the 8 X 52, rather then the 6 x 50, and that's not even taking into consideration guage.
Tobasco Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 7:58 PM EST
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Rick

Dont you mean a box for $5. Dont start dreamin about those $11 boxes yet. They are way over your budjet! Hehe! :>)

Mag
CJBully Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 8:37 PM EST
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I guess if you're bargain hunting it makes alot of sense. It's sort of like buying bulk generic food.
efm Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 8:42 PM EST
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Rick, there's a box of El Productos on auciton for about two bucks. Do the math, it's the best deal.
rookie139 Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 8:53 PM EST
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Go to sleep already...Too late to figure out what the heck Rick is talking about..LOL
Tobasco Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 8:56 PM EST
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I think Rick buys his, from someplace like a rock quary, where a tractor scoops them up, & drops them in the back of your pick up truck!! Hehehe!!

Mag
rayder1 Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 9:43 PM EST
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Rick and I share in one thing. We are cheap bastids.

I have my share of good stuff, but the bulk of my humi filler runs .45-.50 per stick (and a lot of them are good cigars on lucky winning bids).

Must run the the tribal heritage eh Lantzman?
cruiser Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Jan 30 2003, 1:46 AM EST
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I gues this is Ricks way to wakeup the little EINSTEIN in us. Amen
Lowman Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Jan 30 2003, 3:52 AM EST
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I like bigger cigars also but if I don't know anything about the 'gar, I may start off with a smaller one. Like SteveS said "8" cigars would have 33.3% more smoking potential" BUT what if they are "dog rockets"?? I only smoke a few a week and have different sizes based on where and when I will smoke.
"The bigger the better" is not always for me.

Just my 2¢

Low
Sonny_LSU Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Jan 30 2003, 4:54 AM EST
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Quality not quantity. If I haven't tried something, I do my research, then bid. I don't perpetually blow smoke, so I don't need bulk. But, if you do, it makes sense.....especially dealing with cheapies.
eleltea Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Jan 30 2003, 5:15 AM EST
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Rick, you dunderhead. You need to bid by cubic inch! Factor in the diameter of the cigar or you could be taking a financial beating! For figurados, you will need to use Calculus 101, but you will be surprised by the hundreds of dollars you will stop being screwed out of if you make the effort!
Charlie Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Jan 30 2003, 5:53 AM EST
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You can get a large quantity of tobacco in cheap cigars but who knows what it will be like to smoke? This is all too confussing, and as usual Rick has created mayhem whether intentional or not! Way to go Rick........I am sure nobody will give you a run for the money if you elect to bid on Bad Frogs, Lone Wolves and other cigars from the animal kingdom!

Charlie
wouldestous Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Jan 30 2003, 6:56 AM EST
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what elel said, sorta. for each bid i multiply the length of the cigar by the ring gauge to generate a dimensionless 'tobacco factor' describing the amount of tobacco per cigar. i can then take this 'tobacco factor' and compare it to other interesting lots up for bid. in this way i can determine how much i should bid for each lot so as to preserve a good smoke-to-price ratio.
wouldestous Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Jan 30 2003, 6:59 AM EST
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furthermore, as elel pointed out, you need to factor in the diameter change for figurados or you will end up bidding for a bunch of tobacco that is not there! some figurados can be described by integral calculus but i find that some of the really extreme figurados can only be described approximately by a non-linear differential equation using a statistical 'best fit' method.

hope this helps, rick!
laxman Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Jan 30 2003, 7:12 AM EST
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Wow--my girlfriend thinks I'm a dork just because I post on a cigar forum and look at cigars all day. Wait until she reads this!! Thanks for making me look good guys! Hahaha

Adam
Charlie Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Jan 30 2003, 7:37 AM EST
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You are welcome!!! Still do not understand the theory of cigar bulk in bidding, but will study it some more!

Charlie
jluv97 Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Jan 30 2003, 7:49 AM EST
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OK...Here are the formula's to determine price per cubic inch.

For a traditional (round) cigar:
((ring / 128 x 3.14159)((ring / 128 x 3.14159) x Length x Quantity) / cost

For a box pressed cigar:
(ring / 32 x length x Quantity) / cost

I am working on one for pyramids and torpedos.
Smoker06 Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Jan 30 2003, 7:55 AM EST
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Don't forget to include the amount of cigar you throw away, the nub. For a normal, straight cigar, it's just a matter of changing the length measurement of the cigar since the equation is linear. Whole new ball game when considering figurados.
jluv97 Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Jan 30 2003, 7:56 AM EST
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OOPS I am off on that.

Traditional:
(pi * (ring/128)^2 * length * qty) / cost

Double torpedo:
(2/3 * pi * (ring/128)^2 * (length/2) * qty) / cost
huttman78 Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Jan 30 2003, 9:12 AM EST
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when buying cigars i have used this when comparing cigars of the same brand and the prices between the sizes. a 2 dollars dif bet a torp and toro isn't worth it most of the time. also size is good when thinking about how much time you have to smoke it. heft or weight is also important. i like a heavy cigar not a cigar which is 1/2 filled and a light weight smoke. i don't find a huge difference in taste between a torp and other sizes generally, i do however, almost always favor a torp.
huttman78 Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Jan 30 2003, 9:12 AM EST
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when buying cigars i have used this when comparing cigars of the same brand and the prices between the sizes. a 2 dollars dif bet a torp and toro isn't worth it most of the time. also size is good when thinking about how much time you have to smoke it. heft or weight is also important. i like a heavy cigar not a cigar which is 1/2 filled and a light weight smoke. i don't find a huge difference in taste between a torp and other sizes generally, i do however, almost always favor a torp.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2003, 12:14 AM EST
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jluv97

wouldn't [(ring/128)squared x pi x length x number of cigars divided by cost] be a bit simpler?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2003, 12:20 AM EST
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jluv97

sorry i didn't read your correction and i couldn't find the ^ on my keyboard until just now.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2003, 12:21 AM EST
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oh and eleltea, that does not take into consideration how tight or loose the cigar is rolled.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2003, 12:41 AM EST
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eleltea

i think one only needs calc if we are dealing with change of rate of puffing, for figurados in particular.
eleltea Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2003, 3:58 AM EST
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You are correct, Rick. But factoring in the weight will fix that. The crooks that sell cigars on the internet do not tell you how much they weigh, but they cannot keep you from weighing them on arrival!Typically stogies are sent out 'wet', so what you are mostly paying for is water. You can foil these ganifs by reducing the cigar to 0% humidity before putting it on the scale. Yes, I mean by smoking it and weighing the ashes. If you don't wish to burn your butt, so to speak, just factor it in based on the ash weight for the rest of the cigar length. Now, armed with the (mean) diameter, the length, the weight at 0 humidity, we are prepared to calculate the best buy. It turns out to be the Opus X A size. Rush your local tobacconist!
eleltea Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2003, 4:02 AM EST
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Ok, ok, Rick, the Opus X part was just a lame joke, but rest of the post waqs serious and should help you to get the best of all possible buys on some possibly smokeable cigars.

[Note to self: no trades with Rick]
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