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Dog Rocket Definition?
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jerrya Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 12:52 PM EST
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Being new to Cigars, I've heard the term "dog rocket" used on this forum frequently. I realize its basic translation would be a bad cigar. Looking for opinions for the single most factor that would make you classify a cigar as a dog rocket.....ie. uneven burn, bitter, strong bit, no taste, bad draw, or any other etc.
Spiny Norman Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 12:56 PM EST
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Anything distributed solely by another company.
Spiny Norman Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 12:56 PM EST
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or a Lone Wolf.
tarheel4lyf Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 12:58 PM EST
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as the immortal SteveS would say:

it would be a matter of personal preference. What one man would consider the a "dog rocket", another may love as an everyday smoke. The real key is to find what it is that you like or dislike, and smoke the one you like.

How did I do, Steve?
xrundog Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 1:02 PM EST
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If you light up, take a few draws and say "Damn! That tastes like crap!" It's a dog rocket.
Spiny Norman Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 1:18 PM EST
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So true Tarheel. I was giving my definition. None of the ones I mentioned would I try and smoke again.
P.S. I think Steve would be proud.
Mr.Mean Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 1:31 PM EST
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I think xrundog hit on the canine head.
BMW Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 2:16 PM EST
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The up side to a dog rocket is the "rocket". I love a good projectile.!

Barry
cayman2b Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 2:31 PM EST
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To me it is very simple......

I'am I receiving pleasure from smoking this tobacco....

If not- why the H#ll is it in your mouth- spit it out and move on.. JMHO..

*** well- on second thought.. when I was young I smoked dog rockets to repel insects while laboring
burying telephone cable in BFE Michigan! guess most everything has a purpose for someone..
tailgater Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 2:49 PM EST
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IS BFE anywhere near EBF?
And why is it never W, N or S????
CulleyJC52 Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 2:53 PM EST
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I have a Lab that distributes huge dog rockets I have to scoop everday, therefore, my definition is a cigar makes that makes me want to throw up, need I say more.
Iron Bar Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 3:00 PM EST
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Dog Rockets= 80% of the cigars sold on cigarbid.com

Now don't get me wrong, the other 20% make CB well worth it!
CulleyJC52 Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 3:07 PM EST
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Who could ever get Iron Bar wrong, I'm sure Gonz, Slim and others will appreciate this comment. God what an, #)%(^*$, oh never mind, not worth the time.
wouldestous Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Jan 14 2003, 9:01 PM EST
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what xrun said. also a tasteless cigar would be a rocket. if it lacks taste, why smoke it?
SteveS Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 5:02 AM EST
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Tarheel ... Spiny's right, you done good ... LOL ... between you and xrundog, you've got it pegged ... any cigar that tastes like crap is a dog rocket ... and since taste varies from one of us to another, no two of us have identical opinions on which cigars are dog rockets and which are not ...
Sonny_LSU Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 5:09 AM EST
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x is right on.....if it taste like crap = dog rocket. There are some supposedly good cigars that I classify as DR, but that is simply a personal preference.
Charlie Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 5:29 AM EST
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Dog Rocket equals a wide and varied assortment of poorly made and cheapass cigars! While all cheap cigars are not dog rockets, if the ad in the catalog says "used to sell for 150 to 225 bucks per box during the "Cigar Boom" or "Sign of the Times and forced to liquidate" chances are it could be a dog rocket!

And while Iron Bar's statement about 80% may seem a little harsh, I am sure that there are many dog rockets sold by all cigar outlets! I would rate Thomas Hinds, Hamilton House, Lone Wolf (one of worst, because they were such a big splash during the boom-of course that splash was in the toilet bowl), JR Knockoffs, Thompson Cigars, Professor Sila, and OHMYGOD-Bad Frogs as dog rockets that I have had the displeasure to sample!

Charlie
CJBully Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 5:37 AM EST
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Charlie,

re: the "boom", it looks like the pendelum is swinging the other way! Some of the major retailers are lowering their prices!
jd1 Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 6:59 AM EST
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CJ,
I've not seen it at my local tobacconists, which is why I buy most of my sticks from Cbid or other online retailers. Every local retailer is still living in the boom in Arizona. Considering some of the prices I've paid for high-end sticks online, most local retailers have these marked up over 100%. I still support my local shops, but only on sticks I cannot get elsewhere like Padron 64s and OpusX.
bud451 Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 8:14 AM EST
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I think Iron Bar's statement is 80% true.
Mr.Mean Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 9:59 AM EST
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I think his statement is 20% true.
snowwolf777 Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 10:08 AM EST
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I think he's 100% full of it. I have found precious few cigars that are true "dog rockets" ... so very bad that I have to pitch it before it's smoked. The rest fall into my own categories. Basically I don't mow the yard while wasting a good smoke like a Hemingway Signature. And I don't go to a nice steakhouse with a Hamilton or a Lone Wolf. Come to think of it, I don't mow the yard with these either. Anyway I love CBID. It's given me access to try a huge variety of cigars - good, bad and indifferent - for not a lot of $$. And this forum's first class, too.
Mr.Mean Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 10:29 AM EST
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It's just his opinion. Whatever number you come up with is your opinion. That's the deal about cigars, it's your opinion what is good and what is bad.
5augie5 Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 10:33 AM EST
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I think Ironbar may have a more descriminating pallat than most high brows, but I do agree that you can find your share of dog rockets at cbid. I think I've tried most of them, but at least I'm not paying over a bucka stick for'm. And there have been some very pleasent surprises among the low priced lots. Thats part of the fun for me, plus I have plenty of cigars to pan off on my mooching golfing buddies.

As far as a definition, when I try one and it sucks, then age it for a few months and it still sucks, then let it sit for another few months and I still think it sucks....I define it as a dog rocket and put the rest in my garagador, and on Sat. morning I put a few in my golf bag for the aforementioned golfing buddies!
bud451 Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 11:12 AM EST
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Good point. At least at CB it's a cheap lesson in dog rocketry....hell, I consider myself a dog rocket scientist because of CB!
SteveS Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 11:17 AM EST
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I don't agree with 5Augie5 when he says he thinks Ironbar might have a more discriminating palate than the "high-brows" here ...

a), I don't agree at all that this group is in any way comprised of "high-brows", and b), there are a great many in this group who have some demonstrably well-developed palates ...

My opinion is that in making the far-off-the-wall statement that 80% of what CBid sells are dog-rockets, what I think Ironbar has demonstrated is a less discriminating mouth ...
kaikai1102 Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 12:06 PM EST
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IMHO, Coming across cb/ci sites was the second biggest thing to happen to me since the first visit to the cigar shop. For a newbie like me, it's the perfect place to experiment and find what pleases MY individual palate. In the short 2 month span that I've been samplin, I can tell you that the onyx reserve torbusto is my fave so far and that I think the box of bootlegger figurados I've got are dog rockets. But isn't that what makes our "hobby" so wonderful? I know theres a *@$*load of cigars out there just waiting to be sampled by me. Ladies and Gentlemen, let the journey begin...uh, anyone like bootleggers? heh, heh...
Iron Bar Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 2:50 PM EST
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Well I'm so flattered that so many of you have so much to discuss about my opinion. Thank you!

First things first though: Cully, pull your head out of your ass will you? Just while you post here OK? Thank you.

Secondly, perhaps 80-20 was a bit harsh, but there's no denying that cbid sells alot of crap. So what?! One mans' trash is anothers' treasure. I don't begrudge a person like cully for smoking Curly Heads and Ras Tafari. Big deal.

Do I have a more discriminating palette? Maybe. Probably. I've smoked enough crap cigars in my time and life is too short to smoke any more. Cheers.
Dishman Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 4:14 PM EST
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Price does not always reflect if a cigar qualifies as a "dog rocket". That being said, if you have to suck so hard that your eyes implode chances are you have got yourself a piece of canine excrement. Of course all of the things you mentioned are grounds to consider one such also.
CulleyJC52 Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 5:46 PM EST
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Iron Head/Pea Brain/@$#% for Brains

My post was meant to point out that you are so full of yourself. I am so sorry your Kmart closed and your out of work, but, this is not the way or place to try to regain your self esteem.

People like you that are so full of themselves are so ignorant to the extent they cannot perceive how STUPID they sound with their unthoughtful, shoot from the hip, comments.

Enough said, out of here, see you all next week and look foward to reviewing Pea Brains next six days of thoughtless comments when I return.
jd1 Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 6:52 PM EST
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LMAO at bud451!!
efm Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Jan 15 2003, 8:42 PM EST
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If you want to understand the concept of dog rocket at a primal level which transcends language go downwind and spark up a Victor Sinclair.
eleltea Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2003, 1:53 AM EST
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If it tastes like canine projectiles to you, then it's schnauzerwurst.

Trade it with someone whose taste is different. If it is notoriously bad, package it carefully and ship it to Rickamaven so he can Acidize it.
Iron Bar Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2003, 6:33 AM EST
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LOL @ Culley!!! You never cease to provide heaps of entertaining albeit childish comments.

As I said before Cully, stop stimulating yourself and go stimulate the economy.
Smoker06 Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2003, 5:53 PM EST
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Guys, a dog rocket is purely a personal thing. My dog rocket may not be your dog rocket. Here's how I define it -- a dog rocket is a cigar that I would rather give away than to smoke myself. Notice I said, give and not trade. Because they are, IMO, so bad I couldn't accept anything in exchange for them. The primal example of the dog rocket to me is -- Espinoza.
jerrya Offline
#36 Posted: Fri, Jan 17 2003, 10:26 AM EST
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Great read......"The Origin of the Dog Rocket"
http://www.cigardiary.com/cigars/dogrocket.php3
HEOJKM Offline
#37 Posted: Wed, Jan 22 2003, 9:46 PM EST
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Amen.
ken9810 Offline
#38 Posted: Sun, Jan 26 2003, 5:13 PM EST
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Finck Senators for a machine made,Don Mateo for a handroll. If you would like to experience an exotic dog rocket,just post the words "Dog Rockets Reviewed" at any cigar BB.
daveyg2 Offline
#39 Posted: Thu, Jan 30 2003, 8:56 PM EST
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Victor Sinclairs are fuggin horrible. The Sinatra is terrible too. I have smoked a dog rocket or 1000,and i do believe it is a matter of opinion. There are some though (very very few) that are a matter of fact. Some expensive cigars are terrible and some cheap azz cigars are great. Majorly subject to interpretation.

daveyg2
captainfudgie Offline
#40 Posted: Wed, Feb 5 2003, 1:07 PM EST
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If you say "I think i'll put out this stogie and go help my wife with the laundry", then you know it's a rocket!!
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