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Civilian Denounces Military Pay Raises
usahog Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 12-06-1999
Posts: 22,691
Subject: Washington Times, denouncing the pay raise(s) coming

I think this Airman's response to the Washington Times should be printed in all newspapers across America. Especially now when the President is calling up more Reserves and National Guardsman. Get this response out to everyone you know. It's time the Jane Fonda's & Shaun Penn's, and Cindy Williams' of this country wise up and support the troops that defend them.

Noel Pritzl
1st Vice President USDR


Military pay article

On 12 Nov, Ms Cindy Williams (from Laverne and Shirley TV show) wrote a piece for the Washington Times, denouncing the pay raise(s) coming servicemembers' way this year -- citing that the stated 13% wage was more than they deserve.

A young airman from Hill AFB responds to her article below. He ought to get a bonus for this!

"Ms Williams:

I just had the pleasure of reading your column, "Our GIs earn enough" and I am a bit confused. Frankly, I'm wondering where this vaunted overpayment is going, because as far as I can tell, it disappears every month between DFAS (The Defense Finance and Accounting Service) and my bank account. Checking my latest leave and earnings statement (LES), I see that I make $1,117.80 before taxes. After taxes, I take home $874.20. When I run that through Windows' Calculator, I come up with an annual salary of $13,413.60 before taxes, and $10,490.40 after.

I work in the Air Force Network Control Center (AFNCC), where I am part of the team responsible for the administration of a 5,000-host computer network. I am involved with infrastructure segments, specifically with Cisco Systems equipment. A quick check under jobs for Network Technicians in the Washington, D.C. area reveals a position in my career field, requiring three years experience with my job. Amazingly, this job does NOT pay $13,413.60 a year, nor does it pay less than this. No, this job is being offered at $70,000 to $80,000 per annum. I'm sure you can draw the obvious conclusions.

Also, you tout increases to Basic Allowance for Housing and Basic Allowance for Subsistence (housing and food allowances, respectively) as being a further boon to an already overcompensated force. Again, I'm curious as to where this money has gone, as BAH and BAS were both slashed 15% in the Hill AFB area effective in January 00.

Given the tenor of your column, I would assume that you have NEVER had the pleasure of serving your country in her armed forces. Before you take it upon yourself to once more castigate congressional and DOD leadership for attempting to get the families in the military's lowest pay brackets off AFDC, WIC, and food stamps, I suggest that you join a group of deploying soldiers headed for AFGHANISTAN, I leave the choice of service branch up to you. Whatever choice you make, though, opt for the SIX month rotation: it will guarantee you the longest possible time away from your family and friends, thus giving you full "deployment experience."

As your group prepares to board the plane, make sure to note the spouses and children who are saying good-bye to their loved ones. Also take care to note that several families are still unsure of how they'll be able to make ends meet while the primary breadwinner is gone -- obviously they've been squandering the vast piles of cash the DOD has been giving them.

Try to deploy over a major holiday; Christmas and Thanksgiving are perennial favorites.

And when you're actually over there, sitting in a DFP (Defensive Fire Position, the modern-day foxhole), shivering against the cold desert night; and the flight sergeant tells you that there aren't enough people on shift to relieve you for chow, remember this: trade whatever MRE (meal-ready-to-eat) you manage to get for the tuna noodle casserole or cheese tortellini, and add Tabasco to everything. This gives some flavor.

Talk to your loved ones as often as you are permitted; it won't nearly be long enough or often enough, but take what you can get and be thankful for it. You may have picked up on the fact that I disagree with most of the points you present in your op-ed piece.

But, tomorrow from KABUL, I will defend to the death your right to say it. You see, I am an American fighting man, a guarantor of your First Amendment rights and every other right you cherish. On a daily basis, my brother and sister soldiers worldwide ensure that you and people like you can thumb your collective nose at us, all on a salary that is nothing short of pitiful and under conditions that would make most people cringe.

We hemorrhage our best and brightest into the private sector because we can't offer the stability and pay of civilian companies. And you, Ms Williams, have the gall to say that we make more than we deserve?

Rubbish!
jd1 Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 02-14-2001
Posts: 3,118
Great post Hog!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,489
He hammered out every point and nailed her to the floor with her own words!

jpf Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 02-03-2003
Posts: 5
Amen
xrundog Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 01-17-2002
Posts: 2,212
Didn't hear a peep from her when her congressman voted himself a raise. She is ignorant of the facts.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,489
Schmeel,schmozzle, hossenfeffer incorporated...

Stick to the lame-o tv shows Cindy! Thinking things out sure isn't your strong suit!
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
usahog

good post.

remember that woman had a short career, where she made a ton of money and she hasen't worked since. i think that show ended 10 or so years ago. she knits and sews
and apparently speaks. hopefully she knits well.

she's a ding.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
x

i know you know better. the pay raises are automatic unless voted down. with this system in place, no one ever votes for a pay raise.
xrundog Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 01-17-2002
Posts: 2,212
Maybe the Military should use the same system. Then nobody would gripe and the Military would not be at the mercy of congress.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
i go with that, now tell congress.
Charlie Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 06-16-2002
Posts: 39,751
Cindy Williams should join the peace drives with other "celebrities" such as Marty "U Mean I am Not really President" Sheen, George Clooney, Sue Sarandon, Babs and her followers!

You mean they do not remember the bitch? Oh, too bad, maybe she can requalify for Hollywood Squares!

Charlie
Mr.Mean Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 05-16-2001
Posts: 3,025
Ignorance is bliss. And she is ignorant.
BMW Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 3,010
There's something besides Pepsi in her Milk.

Barry
joelmitre Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 10-23-2002
Posts: 79
Great post USAHOG. Hearing what 'Shirley' said is troubling, but I certainly appreciate the Airman's comments! I would point out to Ms. Williams that actors and actresses are not overpaid, right???
Charlie Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 06-16-2002
Posts: 39,751
Does anybody recall seeing her in anything in last 10 years?

Charlie
usahog Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 12-06-1999
Posts: 22,691
Thanks all... I thought it was worth posting... since there are allot of Military members on this site and also Many members shipped out already... I do believe this was from 2001 though and I am trying to locate the entire artical from Wash. Times.. My Liberal Sister wants to see the Artical rather than in an email as I had sent it to her VIA E-mail...in away I don't blame her seeing how she hates GWB and Loved Clinton... so when I find the total Artical I will post that again also... I think I read it in the AF Times back when the WTC center was hit so I'll search there site because I keep drawing Blanks on WP site...
as far as Cindy Williams and the Rest of the Washed up Actors/Actresses they do these Ployes to the Media just to get there name out there and maybe get some media Attention to themselves... maybe they'll get noticed.. if she has taken up sewing then I would have been more Blunt in my Commentary artical back to her... see I'f you all haven't noticed I'm not so Politcally Correct and I'm also not an English Major...
But I can get pretty Bar Room Philosophical (sp) LMAO!!!!

Laterzzzz
Hog
joelmitre Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 10-23-2002
Posts: 79
Hog, I did a little research on Snopes.com, and discovered that 'Cindy Williams' is not the actress from Laverne and Shirley. And I was enjoying ripping her so! Here's an exerpt of the article I read:
"Back in January 2000, a different Cindy Williams -- one who is a senior research fellow at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and was once assistant director for national security in the Congressional Budget Office -- contributed an op-ed piece to The Washington Post (not the Washington Times) in which she criticized a proposed 25% pay increase for military personnel (on top of a 4.85% raise that had just been enacted). In her article, Ms Williams maintained that claims that servicemen in the military suffered a 13 percent "pay gap" relative to the private sector were inaccurate, and that military personnel were already well paid compared to the average American."

Peace Out-Joel
usahog Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 12-06-1999
Posts: 22,691
Thanks Joe... I think that was the same artical I had read a few years back... but I don't recall it being clear back in 2000 damn time fly's LoL


Hog
usahog Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 12-06-1999
Posts: 22,691
that link also gave me the link to the actual letter...
http://web.mit.edu/ssp/db21/GIs.html

and the whole story...
http://www.snopes.com/military/gipay.htm

and thanks again Joe for the link... now I can use it to check Ricks Posts also LMAO!!!!!

Hog
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