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CJBully Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 3:50 PM EST
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http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war.html
jjohnson28 Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 9:54 PM EST
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tarheel4lyf Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 3:28 AM EST
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Was that supposed to be funny?
joelmitre Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 4:35 AM EST
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One word:

asinine
usahog Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 5:41 AM EST
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Warped
jdrabinski Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 5:47 AM EST
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Three words:

unpleasant but true

John
Charlie Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 5:51 AM EST
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OK?

Charlie
eleltea Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 5:58 AM EST
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Sarcasm is the tool of the devil.

And of those without a reasoned argument.
usahog Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 6:07 AM EST
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whats to Argue here EL??

and that Site is Warped... not being sarcastic
I'm stating how I viewed that site... My Thoughts

Hog
osage Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 6:30 AM EST
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SICK!
CJBully Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 6:42 AM EST
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Why is it:

a) warped?
b) sick?

Because it describes what makes war unpleasant? And picks on the "war on drugs"? It may be truthful and unfunny (it wasn't meant to be funny) but it is not warped.
usahog Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 7:04 AM EST
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well if you View it that way, then you must be Warped also???

Hog
CJBully Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 7:14 AM EST
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I'm not the one looking all proud posing for a picture with a plane loaded with ordnance. Btw, Was it destined for a civilian or military target?
usahog Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 7:23 AM EST
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No that would have been me... Proud to be a defender of Peace... and also Proud to be doing my job so people like you can keep on posting like yourself...

my Job is to uphold the Costitution of these United States... and Protect the people there Of...With Life Liberty and the Persute of Happiness...

I'm sorry you are so disgruntled and all CJ...I can't help if Life has tossed you a Curvball or something...
all I can do is try and keep the Enemy from your back door...

as far as the Mission I am not entitled to devulge that Information in Public... if you'd like to get together over a couple beer's and Cigars we could possibly talk about some of these things???

Have a Nice Day
Hog
usahog Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 7:25 AM EST
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Thats Constitution Not Costitution... Sorry for the Typo

Hog
joelmitre Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 7:53 AM EST
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Hog, I'm with you.

CJ, I'm glad you have your opinion (truly, not being a smart a$$). More importantly, I'm proud that you, I and the rest of the Americans in our nation have the right to express our thoughts freely. Like Hog, I too am a soldier, and I've sworn an oath to defend and support our constitution with my life, so that we all have the right to express ourselves freely. CJ, I am genuinely curious to know if you were/are a member of the US Armed Forces? I’m not asking to start an argument, I’ve just heard a lot of varying opinions on this topic of discussion, and I was curious if the majority of those who share your thoughts were prior military or not. I, by no means, place myself above those who have not served (just to clarify), I’m just curious.

rayder1 Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 11:50 AM EST
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It is sort of like reading Dennis Miller without thought, wit or a reasonable use of the work "fu__".

The only intelligent thing I can garner from this site is that the writer is in support of the use profanity in in lieu of making a point.

Mr.Mean Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 12:16 PM EST
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Hmmm. Interesting thought process that brokenly addresses results but not the cause. Kind of like bitching with no solution.
jdrabinski Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 1:24 PM EST
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Mr. Mean,

Dude...it is a COMIC, not a policy paper. That's why there is no 'solution' to the issue.

No one has yet said why this comic is 'warped.' Please explain.

And I can't remember the last time this country was invaded, so protecting 'my' liberty is surely up for debate. You are protecting the freedom of oil billionaires, my friend usahog, and sadly they see your life as disposable. Opponents of this war, whether you see it or not, actually have you and your life in mind. We think your life is worth more than the interests of oil barons.

If you care, I come from a decorated family of veterans. WWII and Vietnam, all decorated for heroism, all loyal and brave soldiers and officers. And they all think this war is insane. Patriotic to the core, these vets fear for their brothers and sisters in the military who are being used to promote the wealth-building interests of the few. The military is not for the elite and their interests; the military is for the people and OUR interests. They aren't served in this war.

My point: opposition to the war is a way of saying you are worth more than mercenaries for billionaires. You are, and we oppose you being used by them.

And PLEASE don't tell me that this war in Iraq is about al-qaeda. That is a joke. Those guys are a threat to Sadaam Hussein's power, not natural allies. Hussein is a secular dictator, not a fundamentalist religious leader. Thus, there is a natural antagonism.

You aren't protecting our freedoms in Iraq. Iraq is a poor, third-world dictatorship on the other side of the world. I hardly see the threat. We should be fixing our economy and finding jobs for the millions of unemployed.

John
Sonny_LSU Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 1:37 PM EST
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AHHHHHHH......BEVIS AND BUTTHEAD GROW UP!

What brain-child wrote that thing? My lab could come up with better material than that!
usahog Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 1:44 PM EST
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John... The comment about that site being Warped is just what I said... WARPED... as in if the person who set the site up wanted to rant about something thats fine... but the Profanity word after word and the Sexual Induendo and other Crap on the site could have been set aside and as I stated if CJ likes sites like that and wants to Defend a site as such then I also Feel he is Warped also... I don't think I need to Explain my personal feelings any longer... the two of you seem to enjoy trying to pull them through the Mud anyway so Have at it...
as far as sitting down and discussing Issues... or going Riding with you Sure... I would be interested in something like this... but I can tell already our Beleifs (sp) differ Emensly....

Hog
jdrabinski Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 5:03 PM EST
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Hog, you'd run my commie ass off the road in an instant! Just kidding.

Hey, I agree that the site pushes the envelope to make a point, but the issues he is dealing with are pretty damn outside the envelope. We all respond in different ways, and it seems that the cartoonist feels pretty beaten down by the whole thing. And responds with cynical despair. But he is responding to what he sees--and I agree with him--as a pretty cynical situation.

My point: dude, it is ALL ugly all around.

John
CJBully Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 6:14 PM EST
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joel,

I, like many others, served my country. I learned enough in the military to know that "collateral damage" (code speak for civilian deaths) is part of the equation. I'm not a big war fan per se (soldier vs. soldier), but sometimes it may be unavoidable. I do have a severe dislike and hatred for the machines and weapons used to target innocents and civilians. Innocent people always make up the most deaths in any conflict and and that is very ugly statistic. If you believe that civilian deaths are just "collateral damage" than you can not be considered a civilized human being IMHO.
usahog Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 6:32 PM EST
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That is true it is Ugly... but we have givin peace a chance...the UN sanctions that are in place since the end of the Gulf War.. have failed... Saddam just like North Korea has disobeyed the policy's set in front of him... what you get to see and read in the News is not the whole facts and what the US and other Intelgence Agency's around the world know is in the Protection of the American Citizens... allot of non Believers and Anti War Activists can rant and rave and believe what they want about this just being over Oil... but there Wrong and I am not one who would risk the lives of my Family members to wait the Outcome and see if this is all farce... time after time after time Saddam has proven himself to be another Hitler... No one Cares because its not at there Front Door... Well Brother let me just say... I for one don't want to wait for this to be at my Front Door!!!! the Bio Chemical Threats are there with Saddam and with Osama and the Al Quida... in 1993 the World Trade Center Bombing.. they found traces of Syanide Gas and the Blast was suppose to disperce that as far as it could all over the City and Kill whoever it could... these people do not care about Human Life... Especially American Cowboy Infadels Life's...

as far as Riding and hitting the Open Road, I wouldn't do any harm to anyone...I am not that type of person

I try to live by the Moto "I Don't Trouble Trouble Less Trouble Troubles Me"

Sitting down and BS'ing over a few Cigars and Brews is conversational... not a poker game... we don't have to toss our Knives and Guns up on the table and Hollor Anti Up!!!!
as far as me changing your views I doubt that is possible.. and as far as you changing mine.. well you should know better....

enjoy your evening!!!

Hog
tailgater Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 6:44 PM EST
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John,
Boy are you full of yourself.
It's OK to be against this and any other war. But to suggest that you have better insight than our government as to what is in the best interest for anyones life (other than your own) is either severely misguided or simply idiotic.
Being a pacifist from a military family has obviously left some scars.
IMHO...
jdrabinski Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 7:30 PM EST
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tailgater,

I didn't say I was a pacifist. I said I don't support this war. That doesn't mean pacifism. And, no, I don't bear any scars from my family. Quite the opposite: these folks instilled a sense of independence and not wavering from your beliefs. If that's a scar, I'll take it. They are also against this war.

Further, I didn't say I 'knew better' than anyone else. What I was trying to do was point out that being anti war in Iraq was not anti-military personnel. The opposite, actually, is true.

Hog, you know I was kidding, I hope, about your running me off the road. Just a joke. And you are right. Cigars and beer are the great cement across political lines.

John
rayder1 Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 9:48 PM EST
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I still think it was written by Dennis Miller on crack.
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