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General Hawley's message
smithbw Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 09-01-2001
Posts: 2,444
For those who don't know about General Hawley, he's a newly retired USAF 4-star general. He commanded the USAF Air Combat Command [our front-line fighters and bombers]. The Command headquarters is at Langley AFB, VA. General Hawley is now retired and no longer required to be politically correct. His short speech is very much to the point.

"Since the attack, I have seen, heard, and read thoughts of such surpassing stupidity that they must be addressed. You've heard them too. Here they are:

1) "We're not good, they're not evil, everything is relative." Listen carefully: We're good, they're evil, nothing is relative. Say it with me now and free yourselves. You see, folks, saying "We're good" doesn't mean, "We're perfect." Okay? The only perfect being is the bearded guy on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. The plain fact is that our country has, with all our mistakes and blunders, always been and always will be the greatest beacon of freedom, charity, opportunity, and affection in history. If you need proof, open all the borders on Earth and see what happens. In about half a day, the entire world would be! a ghost town, and the United States would look like one giant line to see "The Producers.

2) "Violence only leads to more violence." This one is so stupid you usually have to be the president of an Ivy League university to say it. Here's the truth, which you know in your heads and hearts already: Ineffective, unfocused violence leads to more violence. Limp, panicky, half-measures lead to more violence. However, complete, fully thought-through, professional, well-executed violence never leads to more violence because, you see, afterwards, the other guys are all dead. That's right, dead. Not "on trial," not "reeducated," not "nurtured back into the bosom of love." Dead. D-E --Well, you get the idea.

3) "The CIA and the rest of our intelligence community has failed us." For 25 years we have chained our spies like dogs to a stake in the ground, and now that the house has been robbed, we yell at them for not protecting us. Starting in the late seventies, under Carter appointee Stansfield Turner, the giant brains who get these giant ideas decided that the best way to gather international intelligence was to use spy satellites. "After all, (they reasoned,) you can see a license plate from 200 miles away." This is very helpful if you've been attacked by a license plate. Unfortunately, we were attacked by humans. Finding humans is not possible with satellites. You have to use other humans. When we bought all our satellites, we fired all our humans, and here's the really stupid part. It takes years, decades to infiltrate new humans into the worst places of the world. You can't just have a guy who looks like Gary Busey in a Spring Break '93 sweatshirt plop himself down in a coffee shop in Kabul and say "Hiya, boys. Gee, I sure would like to meet that bin Laden fella. "Well, you can, but all you'd be doing is giving the bad guys a story they'll be telling for years.

4) "These people are poor and helpless, and that's why they're angry at us." Uh-huh, and Jeffrey Dahmer's frozen head collection was just a desperate cry for help. The terrorists and their backers are richer than Elton John and, ironically, a good deal less annoying. The poor helpless people, you see, are the villagers they tortured and murdered to stay in power. Mohammed Atta, one of the evil scumbags who steered those planes into the killing grounds (I'm sorry, one of the "alleged hijackers," according to CNN-they stopped using the word "terrorist," you know), is the son of a Cairo surgeon. But you knew this, too. In the sixties and seventies, all the pinheads marching against the war were upper-middle-class college kids who grabbed any cause they could think of to get out of their final papers and spend more time drinking. At least, that was my excuse. It's the same today. Take the Anti-Globa l-Warming (or is it World Trade? Oh-who-knows-what-the-hell-they-want demonstrators) They all charged their black outfits and plane tickets on dad's credit card before driving to the airport in their SUV's.

5) "Any profiling is racial profiling." Who's killing us here, the Norwegians? Just days after the attack, the New York Times had an article saying dozens of extended members of the gazillionaire bin Laden family living in America were afraid of reprisals and left in a huff, never to return to studying at Harvard and using too much Drakkar. I'm crushed. I think we're all crushed. Please come back. With a cherry on top? Why don't they just change their names, anyway? It's happened in the past. Think about it. How many Adolfs do you run into these days? Shortly after that, I remember watching TV with my jaw on the floor as a government official actually said, "That little old grandmother from Sioux City could be carrying something." Okay, how about this: No, she couldn't. It would never be the grandmother from Sioux City. Is it even possible? What are the odds? Winning a hundred Powerb all lotteries in a row? A thousand? A million? And now a Secret Service guy has been tossed off a plane and we're all supposed to cry about it because he's an Arab? Didn't it have the tiniest bit to do with the fact that he filled out his forms incorrectly- -three times? And then left an Arab history book on his seat as he strolled off the plane? And came back? Armed? Let's please all stop singing "We Are the World" for a minute and think practically. I don't want to be sitting on the floor in the back of a plane four seconds away from hitting Mt. Rushmore and turn, grinning, to the guy next to me to say, "Well, at least we didn't offend them."

SO HERE'S what I resolve for the New Year: Never to forget our murdered brothers and sisters. Never to let the relativists get away with their immoral thinking. After all, no matter what your daughter's political science professor says, we didn't start this. Have you seen that bumper sticker that says, "No More Hiroshimas"? I wish I had one that says, "No More Pearl Harbors."
usahog Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 12-06-1999
Posts: 22,691
Hey Whats the Gen. Address?? I got this for him "No More Pearl Harbors." I'll bet he even smokes Cigars???
wonder if he'd like to find a Great Place to get his Cigars and maybe even join in on the Forums....
LOL

Hog
usahog Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 12-06-1999
Posts: 22,691
well I just looked.. Mine Say's "If there Hadn't been a Pearl Harbor.. there wouldn't have been a Hiroshima"
with the H-Bomb in the Background....


Hog

eleltea Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 03-03-2002
Posts: 4,562
Thank God someone out there can see the truth through all the b.s.

Good thing he is retired. too, or some of our more enlightened legislators would try to have him fired.
usahog Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 12-06-1999
Posts: 22,691
True EL..

Did you read Stormin Norman's Latest words??? he's Retired also LoL!!!!

they retired him when he said "I'm Not Done Yet!!!!"
I wish they would have let him Finish... we wouldn't be hearing the B!tchin Today if they would have....

Hog
penzt8 Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 06-05-2000
Posts: 1,771
The problem is these guys never speak up while they're still on active duty. They just tow the company line so they can keep getting promoted. They were General Officers with many years of experience. If they couldn't figure out a way to present their opinions on matters of national security then they shouldn't have held their positions. They get paid to lead and sometimes that means taking an unpopular stance.

It's easy for them to sit back now and throw out all these comments but it has little if any effect. Kind of the way all the ex-presidents come forward and give opinions on things. They had to chance to change things but didn't do it.
uncleb Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 11-13-2002
Posts: 1,326
Bravo Penz. good comment.

Of course, now you will feel the wrath.
Charlie Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 06-16-2002
Posts: 39,751
They are military and they are not supposed to dictate how we carry out our diplomacy and world relations, only act as Military when and if needed!

Charlie
penzt8 Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 06-05-2000
Posts: 1,771
I agree that at my prior level (enlisted E-7) my job was to do what I was told by the officers I worked for. That never stopped me from engaging in debates about the tactics we used to do our job. As a senior NCO it was my job to sometimes explain things to some young lieutenant or captain. That doesn't mean you question every order you're given but when time and circumstances permit you discuss the merits of the decisions that are being made.

The final decisions rested with them and obeyed the orders but they routinely got my opinion. Because of my position I routinely was asked for my advice by senior officers. I gave them MY opinion, not my boss's opinion. If the Colonel wanted my boss's advice he'd have to go ask him. Maybe that's why I never made it past E-7.

These Generals have the same obligation to educate and advise the lawmakers and other civil servants that make up the national defense network. They routinely get to appear before Congress and have plenty of opportunity to express their views.

I remember watching a senate hearing about military recruiting and retention a few years ago. All of the services were having recruitment and retention problems. Except for the Marine Corps. The other services were there to testify that they needed more money to entice people to join or stay. They needed better housing and benefits.

The Marine Corps Commandant stood alone in his testimony. He didn't complain about housing and day care and the other programs. He just wanted one thing. He wanted his troops to be equipped with the best equipment available. The marines were training and fighting with antiquated weapons and equipment and he told Congress they deserved better.

He probably wasn't real popular with the other guys that were testifying but he spoke about what was important to him and the Marines and didn't just go along with the others who were complaining about pay and benefits. That's leadership.
eleltea Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 03-03-2002
Posts: 4,562
Penzt8, have you heard of General Douglas McArthur and Gen George Patton? They both got knocked down pretty hard for speaking up and they were both 100% correct, just not 100% politically correct.
penzt8 Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 06-05-2000
Posts: 1,771
Yeah,

There are probably a few others that went against the establishment. and ultimately things were better because of it. Military service isn't suppose to be about being politically correct and advancement at the risk of personal integrity. One of our military mottos has always been "service before self". Sometimes you have to sacrifice yourself to help others. Unfortunately too many senior officers begin to think politically.

These guys are generals already. They've got their retirements secured. So what are they really risking? A couple more years of service.
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