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Albright: I Don't Know Why
usahog Offline
#1 Posted:
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From one of his OWN!!!

Albright: I Don't Know Why Clinton Turned Down Bin Laden Deal

Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright said Sunday that she couldn't explain why ex-president Bill Clinton turned down a deal with the government of Sudan to take Osama bin Laden into custody seven years ago. But she admitted that, "obviously, in hindsight, one would wish that some other action had been taken."

Albright feigned ignorance of the Clinton-bin Laden extradition deal during the following exchange with NBC "Meet the Press" host Tim Russert:

The Rest of the Story: (Man I'm Feeling Like Paul Harvey Here) LMAO!!!!!

http://www.newsmax.com/showinside.shtml?a=2003/2/9/124754

So anyways, I guess we can look back and BLAME 911 On Old Billy Boy Also!!!!!

Hog
usahog Offline
#2 Posted:
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( Click Here to listen to Bill Clinton admit that he let bin Laden off the hook.)

The big media cover-up has allowed New York Sen. Hillary Clinton to escape confrontation on the issue of her husband's blunder. And two weeks ago, in an interview with WLIE Radio's Mike Siegel, she tried to blame President Bush for "mishandling" North Korea and for not stopping Osama bin Laden before 9/11. (Click Here to listen to Hillary blame Bush for not getting bin Laden.)

a Must Read article!!!!
http://www.newsmax.com/showinside.shtml?a=2003/2/9/124754

Hog
cwilhelmi Offline
#3 Posted:
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hindsight is 20-20, Bin Laden hadn't done anything against the US at the time...

but if it makes you feel better go ahead and blme whomever you like...
cwilhelmi Offline
#4 Posted:
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blame not blme
usahog Offline
#5 Posted:
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where were you in 96 Cwil??

1996 I was in Kuwait... High Threat Security Alerts...
Terrorists at the time were Calling Bases in Kuwait/Saudi Arabia and telling them they were going to be Bombed... thing was they couldn't pin point which one's??? So 2 Days after we left (Tour was ended) Kuwait... the Cobar Towers Went Up... Killing AMERICANS!!!!!!! So don't tell me 20/20 and nothing going on at that time... 1993 also a failed attempt to Blow up WTC.. with Tons of Explosives and Tons of Cyanide Terrorists Tried to level the WTC the first time...the Shape of the Charge Kept (Blew Downwards instead of Up and Out)the Blast from dropping the one Building into the Other (Like the Terrorists Intentions were to do) and the Heat from the Explosion Naturalized the Cyanide... thus they Failed... So tell me Nothing was going on then??? Linked to Bin Ladin if you don't mind me adding that... so cover his a$$ But PLeassssssssssse do it with Facts....

Hog
tarheel4lyf Offline
#6 Posted:
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Booya!
cwilhelmi Offline
#7 Posted:
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In the article you posted it stated that they didn't have any proof of Osama acting against the US. The first attack on WTC was by the sheik guy who stood trial remember... Bin Laden probably had his hands in it but they didn't have proof to hold him. You should stop bitching about people who bash GWB because you TRY to do the same to Clinton all the time!!
rck_1 Offline
#8 Posted:
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Ueah but, Clinton deserves it. He doesnt have to do anything to get bashed, he`s already done it. And for all of you who live in NewYork? Man-o-Man I feel so sorry for you!!!!!
usahog Offline
#9 Posted:
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CWil,(In the article you posted it stated that they didn't have any proof of Osama acting against the US. The first attack on WTC was by the sheik guy who stood trial remember... Bin Laden probably had his hands in it but they didn't have proof to hold him. You should stop bitching about people who bash GWB because you TRY to do the same to Clinton all the time!!)

The Proof is in The Pudding!!!
I don't know where they on that posting got there Information.. maybe to lessen the Blow to Willy...
But below is your Straight Scoop
Now about Bashing Clinton... Rick, JDR, Yourself and Many Others Love to Attack GWB with unprovin BS and Lies... All I am doing is Bashing Willy with his own Screw Ups and Facts and You Guys don't Like It!!!!!
GWB is My Commander and Chief and I will Defend him and Respect Him... just as I had to for Willy while he was in Office...I Held my Tongue for 8 Yrs and seen first hand the BS... just the Other Day... GWB was getting on the Helicopter to head out.. the Marine Guard Held a High Salute... GWB walked passed him with his Pet in his Hand... unloaded the Pet on the Chopper and stepped back to the Marine and Held His High Salute Back to the Greeting Marine... Never Once!!!! One Damn Time did Clinton Ever give more then a Wavering Salute to show the Press!!!! While he was in Office....(Now I must go forth and Pull up the Info on the Economic Structures of the Fed Funding to the States for the Schooling) and also pull up the differential Pay to On and off base Housing... so you can understand that the Post Rick Tried to Smeer GWB with was Liberal Burocratic BS as what he always Posts... rk_1 I'm Glad you Agree on the Clinton Issue...
Enjoy
Hog

Al Qaeda (Arabic for "the Base") became synonymous with international terrorism after being identified as responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks against the United States. Despite on-going American-led military operations in Afghanistan to dismantle the group's infrastructure and training camps, and an international coalition effort to uncover, eliminate and jail its operatives worldwide, independent cells connected to the terrorist network continue to carry out attacks against American and allied targets.

Al Qaeda began as the Afghan Service Bureau. Also known as MAK (from its Arabic name Maktab al Khidmat lil Mujahidin al-Arab), this organization was founded in Peshawar, Pakistan in 1984 by Osama bin Laden — who came from a prominent Saudi family that had moved there from Yemen in the 1930s — and his mentor, Sheikh Dr. Abdullah Azzam (a Jordanian Palestinian), to cater for those foreigners — especially Arabs — fighting alongside the Afghan resistance in their ongoing war against Soviet occupation forces. MAK established guesthouses and training camps for these foreign fighters, also distributing some $200 million in Middle Eastern and Western (mainly American and British) aid to those involved in the anti-Soviet effort in Afghanistan. By 1988, MAK — whose leaders worked closely with Pakistan's Inter-Services-Intelligence agency — had evolved into al Qaeda. Azzam, by then the group's spiritual leader, was murdered in a bomb attack a year later in Peshawar along with his two sons. This left bin Laden (who had previously split from Azzam over differences as to how MAK/al Qaeda should evolve and was suspected by some to have been behind his murder) firmly in charge of al Qaeda which he then proceeded to reshape into his own vision. Unlike Azzam, bin Laden saw al Qaeda as an international force, and had no compunction about targeting enemy non-combatants. Often using funds from his own inheritance (once estimated by Swiss sources at $250-300 million), bin Laden established more training camps and an extensive social and logistical infrastructure under the protection of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.

At these training camps, and through a series of videotaped missives that were distributed throughout the Muslim world, bin Laden called for the establishment of a pan-Islamic Caliphate — an ancient system of government based on Islamic law (Sharia) under a sole leader called the Prince of Believers. He also encouraged other terrorist groups throughout the Muslim world, often issuing statements in which he praised individual terrorist attacks — without claiming direct responsibility for them.

At first, bin Laden's principle opponents were the secular, and often corrupt, governments in the Arab world, especially those in Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Such "Non-Islamic" regimes and other influences, such as Westerners and non-Muslims, were among the group's first targets. More specifically, bin Laden and other top Qaeda leaders have called for the "liberation" of the three holy places of Islam: Jerusalem, Mecca and Medina. They are further incensed by the U.S. military presence in the Middle East, especially in Saudi Arabia, and by the cooperation (albeit often tacit) Arab governments afford the United States on issues concerning the Middle East.

During the 1990s, bin Laden's mandate to wage jihad (holy war) increasingly encompassed American targets, both civilian and military, which he views as ultimately responsible for what he considers the secular, debased state of the Arab world. In February 1998, bin Laden issued a religious ruling (fatwa) from the newly formed umbrella organization "The World Islamic Front for Jihad Against the Jews and Crusaders," which called on all Muslims to kill U.S. citizens and their allies. Meanwhile, al Qaeda continued to infiltrate and merge with a number of major Islamic terrorist organizations from around the globe. It is this international, semi-corporate amalgamation of terrorist cells, which grew to include nearly any Muslim affiliated terrorist group with a grudge against the United States or its allies, that authorities are currently trying to stop. The very nature of this terrorist network makes this a Herculean task.

While al Qaeda has tended to be highly selective in its recruitment, allowing only the most capable and committed operatives to become fully-fledged members, its call to jihad is an order to all Muslims. Although the network of terrorist cells has an established leadership and command structure, direct approval from the top is not necessarily needed to commit an act of terrorism in al Qaeda's name. Militants operating within the al Qaeda structure are divided into small, independently operating cells. These cells may receive orders and financial support from top Qaeda lieutenants or they may raise funds and plan operations on their own. Training manuals obtained by the U.S. government show that al Qaeda has trained operatives in warfare ranging from assassination and suicide bombings to the use of chemical weapons and explosives.

Prior to the attacks on September 11, al Qaeda was identified as being responsible for a series of attacks in the past decade, including the bombing of the USS Cole off the coast of Yemen in 2000; the simultaneous bombing of American embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya in 1998; the destruction of the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia in 1996; an assassination attempt on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak in 1995; and the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993.

Most recently al Qaeda has been linked to a string of attacks around the world, including the bombing of two nightclubs in Bali, Indonesia, an attack on U.S. soldiers conducting exercises in Kuwait and the destruction of an Israeli-owned hotel and an attempted strike on an El-Al jetliner through the use of surface-to-air portable missiles — both in Kenya. Citing these recent attacks, CIA Director George Tenet warned U.S. officials in late October 2002 that though progress had been made to shut it down, the al Qaeda network was still operating and pursuing efforts to attack American interests.

One problem in the pursuit of Qaeda militants has been their ability to move and regroup outside of Afghanistan. For instance, al Qaeda is believed to be currently operating under the same infrastructure and leadership command in the Mirim Shah area of northern Pakistan that it used in Afghanistan. Other recent reports suggest al Qaeda is even attempting to move back to its former strongholds across the Afghan border.

While the al Qaeda network has certainly been dealt a serious blow by military operations in Afghanistan and joint efforts by governments worldwide, these same efforts have caused al Qaeda to diversify into even smaller cells around the world. These cells, though possibly currently limited in their ability to carry out "spectacular" large-scale terrorist attacks (albeit perhaps temporarily so) are, by the same token, more difficult to detect and eliminate. They can operate totally independently, organizing strikes according to their own whims and timetables and without the type of communication traffic that often warn authorities of impending attacks.

The same is true on the financial front. International measures to dam the flow of terrorist funding have been fairly successful in the formal financial sector. While millions of dollars in assets connected to terrorism have been seized or frozen, this has only served to drive al Qaeda to diversify. For example, the group has exchanged currency for gold and diamonds, which are easier to hide and smuggle across borders, and increased its reliance on informal money transfers, known as hawalas, that are virtually untraceable. Cells are also able to raise funds independently through legitimate and illegitimate businesses, drug smuggling, and other petty crimes.

The U.S.-led offensive against al Qaeda is enjoying some success. According to the CIA, since the Sept. 11, 2002 attacks over 3,000 al Qaeda militants have been arrested, with more than one-third of the group's top leaders killed or captured. The organization has also lost its main training camps in Afghanistan as a result of the year-long allied campaign there — although a recent UN study claims that new smaller Qaeda bases are being established in the country. While bin Laden and his chief lieutenants remain at large, al Qaeda has suffered a degree of disruption in the past year. However, such successes notwithstanding, as seen, the group remains active, and according to the UN have been linked to at least seven terrorist incidents between Aug. 9 and Nov. 28, 2002 alone. These incidents occurred as far a field as the Philippines, off the coast of Yemen, Kuwait, Indonesia, Russia, and Kenya, showing that bin Laden's organization, often working in conjunction with its regional nodes and franchises, retains an operational capacity and a global reach. As such, the threat of attacks by al Qaeda on U.S. interests abroad is still a primary concern of U.S. officials. The likelihood of another strike on American soil also remains high.
rck_1 Offline
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HOG, As an active club member (USMC). I think our views on things including Clinton are probably one in the same. :o) You get`n itchy fingers yet??? I am!!
usahog Offline
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LMAO rk_1

they Been Itchy for a many Years now... LoL

Drop Me an Email sometime!!!
usahog at hotmail dot com
There's no such thing as Retired nor Former Marine!!!!

I personally think Clinton should have finished this Mess the first time Saddam Broke the first UN Resilutions... but he didn't and GWB is catching the Cr@p for it....ahhh well they can Sling Cr@p at me also... I used to work for a Hog Farmer and Play Baseball!!!

Hog
cwilhelmi Offline
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Did you read that before you posted it? The only thing it mentions that happened before Clinton could have detained him was the 93 WTC attack which we placed the blame on the blind sheikh. So once again, how could Clinton have known all the other **** was going to happen.

Are you serious that you held your tongue for eight years while Clinton was in office?? I find that very hard to believe. I don't like Clinton very much either but I find it ludicrous that you would try and place blame on him for 9/11. Do you really think al queda would go away without bin laden? As your post states the cells act on their own and it seems quite naive to assume none of these horrible things or different horrible things wouldn't have happened just because OBL was detained. Maybe the al queda reaction to him being detained would have been far worse that 9/11...

The point is what's done is done; we need to learn from it and make sure it never happens again by never forgetting what atrocities were carried out against our great nation.
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Yes I Kept my Mouth Shut.... at the time he was I didn't open my Opinion up until the Elections Race in 2000... and it is on this Forum and the rest is history...

that one thing??? wasn't enough for him to Act?? that wasn't the only time Cwil... they were also mixed in with the Somolia "Black Hawk Down" deal and the Administartion knew that at the time... but that was also another major Terrorist Group connected to Al Quida and the War Lords in Somalia...

back to one Thing tho... it only took GWB 1 thing to convince him to act Now... its Ironic to isn't it.. the one thing WTC in 2001? if it would have been takin care of in 1993 there wouldn't have been a 911

I Said it and History will back it up... If there Hadn't been a Pearl Harbor there Wouldn't have been a Heroshima!!!!!!!!!

Willy was Lacking and this Great Nation Suffered for it.. and is still going to Suffer!!!!!!

Hog
cwilhelmi Offline
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If there was so much evidence why did GWB wait until 9/11 then? Why didn't he act as soon as he took office? Apparently he needed 9/11 to act against al Queda as well...

I you say you didn't speak out against Clinton until 2000 after I asked the question then I believe you. I wasn't questioning your integrity, nothing to question bro, I know your a stand up guy, even if we disagree regularly!!
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Do you really think that was his first agenda? GWB I mean...

Do you really think if he would have went out after the Al Quida and the OBL he would have the Backing of the American People and Congress??

Hog
cwilhelmi Offline
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Sorry, but you walked right in... If he wouldn't have had backing then how would Clinton have had backing?

Maybe if it was right after the 93 attacks, but those did not garner near the attention of the US public as 9/11 did. There wouldn't have been the same support for action as there was after 9/11.
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Prior to the attacks on September 11, al Qaeda was identified as being responsible for a series of attacks in the past decade, including the bombing of the USS Cole off the coast of Yemen in 2000; the simultaneous bombing of American embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya in 1998; the destruction of the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia in 1996; an assassination attempt on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak in 1995; and the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993.

Under any one of these Atrocities Clinton would have had Backing... remember ALMOST ALL through Clintons Administration there was a Republican Controled Congress and House....

I do not feel I walked into anything... GWB did not want to come into Office and Toss off the Gloves... he was establishing policy's and setting up Gov. at the time 911 had happened...
Yes he knew OBL was a Threat, Yes He Knew Saddam has been a Threat,but in the aftermath of 911 and the America's Response Was Yes lets Kill the B@stards... 1 year later.... the Killing the B@stards is still going on... Again I say " It's a War on Terrorism" and Saddam as is OBL and about 50 (50 is Exaggerated but close)other Terrorist Org's out there... and Now the American Public is feeling it in the Pocket Books.. along with the Other Aftermath of 911, He did not know that he couldn't count on Millions of Americans NOT to back him, Nor did he Not Know that the UN an established World Council also Would NOT Back him in the Efforts to keep America a Free country.. rid of the Fears that face the Nation today... many turned there heads away from the War and also Away from the Military that Supports them to view there rights to turn away....

So Yes Had Clinton Taken a Stance as GWB has... he to would have more Honor and Respect... than what actions he did take and Demorilized himself and this Nation...
He, Mr Clinton Has to answer for this... and someday he will!!!!!

Hog
cwilhelmi Offline
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I guess we'll have to disagree... have a good night...
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You Also Cwil...

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