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What does this one Symbolize to you Part 2
usahog Offline
#1 Posted:
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Just curios as to your views of this Flag? and what it Symbolizes to you?

Hog
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plabonte Offline
#2 Posted:
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Actually this is the first time I've ever seen that flag. I have no idea what it symbolizes.
jdrabinski Offline
#3 Posted:
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I don't know what it symbolizes, but something tells me it symbolizes something that will later embroil me in a depressing conversation that leaves me completely demoralized.

So, get the demoralization process started and tell us, hogboy.

John
xibbumbero Offline
#4 Posted:
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Is this the Liberian flag? X
Tobasco Offline
#5 Posted:
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Hog, I've never seen this one either. I'll take a guess on this.

Lets see now... hmmm...ok...uh...alright, this is a flag for Robin Hood & his merry men? Hehe!

Tell us, inquiring minds want to know!

Mag
E-Chick Offline
#6 Posted:
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Pirates of the Caribbean?
plabonte Offline
#7 Posted:
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Is this a Tamba Bay Bucaneer flag?
plabonte Offline
#8 Posted:
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er...that should say Tampa
rck_1 Offline
#9 Posted:
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Its a band for a new Buccanero line?????????????
Spiny Norman Offline
#10 Posted:
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Appears to be a Calvery guidon though I'm not sure which unit.
Spiny Norman Offline
#11 Posted:
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OK, It's one of several used by Custer and the 7th Calvery.




Let the debates begin!
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#12 Posted:
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if you turn your head slightly from left to right, you can make out the horses.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#13 Posted:
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i just started going through all the flags i could find on the web, and half way through my search, i realized eddie izzard is right, if you don't have a flag, you don't have the land.

does anyone know why we have flags?
jjohnson28 Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 09-12-2000
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Yes Custer,answer was cut and pasted but I did know it was Custers flag to begin with.

This flag was the personal headquarters flag for General George Custer. It was made by his wife Libby. The original was lost at the battle of the Little Bighorn. It is believed that this flag was made of silk but no authentic documentation has been found to prove its dimensions. The flag was carried by a sergeant who rode directly behind the General.
usahog Offline
#15 Posted:
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Spiny and JJ Both are Correct... nice cut and past Bro LOL....
Now Why did I pick this Flag? the Debate can Begin... what do you think of this Man, Gen. George Custer
Little Biogoraphy:
Custer, George Armstrong

Custer, George Armstrong, 1839-76, American army officer, b. New Rumley, Ohio, grad. West Point, 1861.

Civil War Service

Custer fought in the Civil War at the first battle of Bull Run, distinguished himself as a member of General McClellan's staff in the Peninsular campaign, and was made a brigadier general of volunteers in June, 1863. The youngest general in the Union army, Custer ably led a cavalry brigade in the Gettysburg campaign. He fought in Virginia in the great cavalry battle at Yellow Tavern and in General Sheridan's Shenandoah Valley campaign. Made a divisional commander in Oct., 1864, he defeated (Oct. 9) Gen. Thomas L. Rosser at Woodstock. After dispersing the remnants of Gen. Jubal A. Early's command at Waynesboro on Mar. 2, 1865, he was in the advance in pursuit of Lee's army beyond Richmond. Custer received the Confederate flag of truce, was present at the surrender at Appomattox Courthouse, and was promoted major general of volunteers. His record (he had also been brevetted a major general in the regular army), considering his youth, was one of the most spectacular of the war.

The 7th Cavalry

In the reorganization of the U.S. army after the war Custer was assigned to the 7th Cavalry with the rank of lieutenant colonel, and he remained the acting commander of this regiment until his death. In 1867 he was court-martialed and removed from command for leaving his command at Fort Wallace, Kans., without permission, but in Sept., 1868, he was reinstated, mostly through the efforts of Sheridan, with whom he had always been a favorite. In the massacre of the Cheyenne and their allies at the battle of the Wa****a (Nov., 1868), he was accused of abandoning a small detachment of his men, who were annihilated. He served (1873) in Dakota Territory and in 1874 commanded the expedition into the Black Hills that led to renewed hostilities with the Sioux.

In the comprehensive campaign against the Sioux planned in 1876, Custer's regiment was detailed to the column under the commanding general, Alfred H. Terry, that marched from Bismarck to the Yellowstone River. At the mouth of the Rosebud, Terry sent Custer forward to locate the enemy while he marched on to join the column under Gen. John Gibbon. Custer came upon the warrior encampment on the Little Bighorn on June 25 and decided to attack at once. Not realizing the overwhelming numerical superiority of the Native Americans, most of whom lay concealed in ravines, he divided his regiment into three parts, sending two of them, under Major Marcus A. Reno and Capt. Frederick W. Benteen, to attack farther upstream, while he himself led the third (over 200 men) in a direct charge. Every one of them was killed in battle. Reno and Benteen were themselves kept on the defensive, and not until Terry's arrival was the extent of the tragedy known. The men (except Custer, whose remains were reinterred at West Point) were buried on the battlefield, now a national monument in Montana. Custer's spectacular death made him a popular but controversial hero, still the subject of much dispute as to his actions and character.

Bibliography

Custer wrote My Life on the Plains (1874), and his wife, Elizabeth Bacon Custer, 1842-1933, who devoted much of her life to upholding his memory, wrote Boots and Saddles (1885), Tenting on the Plains (1887), and Following the Guidon (1890). See also biographies by F. Hunt (1928) and J. Monaghan (1959, repr. 1971); C. A. Windolph, I Fought with Custer (as told to F. and R. Hunt, 1947); W. A. Graham, The Story of the Little Big Horn: Custer's Last Fight (1959); E. I. Stewart, Custer's Luck (1955, repr. 1971); E. S. Connell, Son of the Morningstar (1984); J. D. Wert, Custer (1996).

Hog

Robby Offline
#16 Posted:
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He was slaughtered, but that's exactly what he was seeking to do. He and his troops were essentially "a hunting party". Sioux to be them...
tarheel4lyf Offline
#17 Posted:
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did you say his wife wrote Blazing Saddles?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#18 Posted:
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Hog, Hog, Hog...If you're gonna mention the man, at least do those of us that served on his fine post the favor of mentioning it!

Strong rumor has it that he didn't want to go back to Ft.Riley and that the massacre was really a way to mask the fact that he moved out west!

For those that want to know...True happiness IS seeing Ft.Riley in a rear-view mirror!
usahog Offline
#19 Posted:
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Doc, I Mentioned him because I thought this would bring up a good debate since the Last Flag I posted went almost Entirely through the Civil War... and the Clarification to this Day on Why the Civil War Happend or the Meaning of it... is still Blured by the tunnel vision of only one thought coming to mind and people Not being able to Broaden there scope... seems the more years that pass the more narrow the mind gets about what actually Occured there... So here's another one to think about and see if it can scurry up a debate...

on the Other Hand I don't ever recall reading about Custer at Ft. Riley now you have me surfing again LoL

Hog
xaigoxx Offline
#20 Posted:
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it obviously requires censorship. Screw the rights and freedom of whoever wields this flag. I think the black panthers are adopting this flag.. so its racist. BBBBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
usahog Offline
#21 Posted:
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Are the Black Panthers even still around???
I thought they dis banned when one of the leaders went to Washington? and then became a US Senator...
Wow I'll have to surf that out....

Hog
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#22 Posted:
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jjohnson28

so much for his wife's ggod luck charm.
xaigoxx Offline
#23 Posted:
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lol. yea the black panthers exist
usahog Offline
#24 Posted:
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Yes Rick.. and you asked me in another post about the Indian's not having a Flag... they(The Indians) Adopted that one at Little Big Horn!!!!!

along with Custers Ring Finger...

Hog
DrMaddVibe Offline
#25 Posted:
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Hog...http://www.riley.army.mil/view/article.asp?id=600-2002-05-07-61116-23
DrMaddVibe Offline
#26 Posted:
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Also worth noting...
http://www.riley.army.mil/view/article.asp?id=687-2002-05-07-63548-63
usahog Offline
#27 Posted:
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Doc,
I do recall that happening to Custer.. and he did that Often as I have read and seen on documenturies (sp) I just didn't know what base he was at...

I am waiting to see the debate here....

IMO Gen. Custer was a Loser...and he used Human Life to try and Gain his Fame!!!!

Hog
DrMaddVibe Offline
#28 Posted:
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National Geographic had an article and a show detailing how Custer's lust for political power was his downfall.

Check out the book "Archaeology, History, and Custer's Last Battle: The Little Big Horn Reexamined".

In this book, it's detailed that this was a massive ass-kicking. Custer used tactics that won him medals during the Civil War, but the indians relied on captured weapons and sheer numbers to destroy him. They "lured" him in a well devised trap after they found out the size of his force. Custer made a juge tactital error in dividing his unit. The other force was called in, but hesitated and was cut down before they could reach Custer. It's hinted in this book that he was used as a pawn for Washington to "step-up" Manifest Destiny, and to get rid of a political rival.

Very interesting reading.
usahog Offline
#29 Posted:
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I have seen that... also A&E has had allot on Custers events Biography and that....

I'll have to dig up another Flag this one seem's to have flopped LoL

Thanks for your Inputs Doc...

Hog
RobertParrott Offline
#30 Posted:
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USAHOG,

Read the book The Creature From Jekll Island by G. Edward Griffin, for some insight as to why the Civil War happend. This book is also good, Tragedy and Hope by Dr. Carroll Quigley.

Tragedy and Hope is VERY dry reading but still interesting. The Creature... is hard to put down.

If anyone has an intrest in history, (and not the history that has been rewriten for the US educational system) these two books are great. Once you read them both, you will see the big picture.

Robert
usahog Offline
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Thanks Robert... I'll look that one up!!!

I have some old History books dating back to the 50's... I refrence them allot.. it is amazing to hold the History books of today to those that taught American Youth back through the 50's... actually it is Sad... Sad that they change the History's or just leave it out to Be "Politically Correct"
When I was out in Virgina visiting all the Battlefields.. I was at "The Wilderness" and talking to a Gentleman there that had lived there all his life.. he was maybe in his 60's. he said ya know they were trying to put a Disneyworld/land out here in Virgina, I told him no I did not know that... he say's Yep and it almost caused another Civil War... this Land is Sacred, Many a Men Fought on Both Sides for what they Felt was Right...and Many Men Died on Both Sides trying to protect those rights.... We Virginians Flat told them... (because the Burocrats were going to allow Disney to come in here) the First Man who puts a Dozer Blade in the Ground will be shot right off his Tractor!!!!!
I wouldn't blame them Virginians... there preserving History... The Wilderness was one of the Worst Battles in American History as to how it was fought... and to this day you can still walk through that area and see the scars of the war in the tree's and the land around that area...

Thanks again for the Info Robert.. I'll look into the Creature book...

Hog
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