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RICKAMAVEN Offline
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Bill Moyers on Patriotism and the Flag



I put the flag in my lapel tonight. First time. Until now I haven't thought it necessary to display a little metallic icon of patriotism for everyone to see. It was enough to vote, pay my taxes, perform my civic duties, speak my mind, and do my best to raise our kids to be good Americans. Sometimes I would offer a small prayer of gratitude that I had been born in a country whose institutions sustained me, whose armed forces protected me, and whose ideals inspired me; I offered my heart's affections in return. It no more occurred to me to flaunt the flag on my chest than it did to pin my mother's picture on my lapel to prove her son's love. Mother knew where I stood; so does my country. I even tuck a valentine in my tax returns on April 15.

So what's this flag doing here? Well, I put it on to take it back. The flag's been hijacked and turned into a logo -- the trademark of a monopoly on patriotism. On those Sunday morning talk shows, official chests appear adorned with the flag as if it is the Good Housekeeping seal of approval. And during the State of the Union, did you notice Bush and Cheney wearing the flag? How come? No administration's patriotism is ever in doubt, only its policies. And the flag bestows no immunity from error. When I see flags sprouting on official lapels, I think of the time in China when I saw Mao's Little Red Book on every official's desk, omnipresent and unread.

But more galling than anything are all those moralistic ideologues in Washington sporting the flag in their lapels while writing books and running Web sites and publishing magazines attacking dissenters as un-American. They are people whose ardor for war grows disproportionately to their distance from the fighting. They're in the same league as those swarms of corporate lobbyists wearing flags and prowling Capitol Hill for tax breaks even as they call for more spending on war.

So I put this on as a modest riposte to men with flags in their lapels who shoot missiles from the safety of Washington think tanks, or argue that sacrifice is good as long as they don't have to make it, or approve of bribing governments to join the coalition of the willing (after they first stash the cash). I put it on to remind myself that not every patriot thinks we should do to the people of Baghdad what bin Laden did to us. The flag belongs to the country, not to the government. And it reminds me that it's not un-American to think that war -- except in self-defense -- is a failure of moral imagination, political nerve, and diplomatic skill. Come to think of it, standing up to your government can mean standing up for your country.

What do you think?

-Bill Moyers
eleltea Offline
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Joined: 03-03-2002
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It is okay in America for socialists to have opinions. It's nice that Moyers is wearing a flag in his lapel. Not many people will see it and get his anti-government message. I think he means against the Bush government, though. If it were a Clinton government, the bigger the better, right? We need less government no matter who is in power. I don't own a flag lapel pin.
jamesconnors Offline
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Joined: 11-02-2002
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moyers is a peice of sh*t...he always has been and hasnt changed a bit!!!wearing a flag on your lapel is the same as wearing a baseball hat to the ball game of the team you want. you dont have to wear the hat to root for the team but it shows a little team spirit if you do!
Charlie Offline
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Joined: 06-16-2002
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Bill Moyers is not my idea of an ideal American!

Charlie
justforfun Offline
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Joined: 03-06-2002
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Bill, Bill, Bill. How selectively convenient to only notice our political leaders wearing the flag lapels during this time of decision (or should I say indecision - on the part of Iraq), when the mention of war permeates the airwaves. Did you fail to notice that they (GWB and DC) were wearing it on a daily basis post 9/11. Guess that just didn't grab your attention then as it didn't crutch your tenuous and specious thoughts. You truly typify the meaning of the LIBERAL MEDIA. Shame on you, I thought YELLOW journalism died.
sumguy Offline
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Joined: 12-23-2002
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I guess I'm in the minority here but I find some truth in Bill's statement. I've got no problem with people wearing the flag. I have one that I wear on my lapel at times. But I think we need to really examine our motives for displaying it. I'll get myself flamed but here goes. To become a truly great nation we must begin to abaondon this entire concept of America as Number 1. This alienates us from the rest of the world and teaches our children there is type of competition going on. It creates an "us versus them" mentality. These illusions of separation are not healthy and run counter to the moral truths all the great masters have tried to teach us.

This next decade is going to be a tough one for the kids. It doesn't matter if we go to war or not. We've alienated the entire world and the effects of this have not even begun to be felt yet. It's going to take more than a victory in Iraq or Afghanistan to protect our peaceful way of life or begin to improve the world. Yes, it is up to us to improve the world. That's part of the responsibility you get when you are the greatest nation on earth. To those who are given much, much is expected. This is just the way it works. We cannot make good on this responsibility with an "Us versus Them" way of thinking.

I do love this country. Not because it's the best but because it gives me the freedom to say that it's the best and also to say that I think we can still do much better.

Reccommended: Bill Mahr - If you ride alone you ride with Bin Laden.
eleltea Offline
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Don't worry. When China wakes up, we will be able to proudly say we're number 2. Maybe you'll feel better. It will be another thousand years before we can convince China, however, to stop crowing about being Number One, if ever. Unless, of course, Africa wakes up.
tarheel4lyf Offline
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Who's Bill Moyers?
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