Picked up a bundle of 25 of these here for an excellent price. I tried these when they first came out and found them harsh. I lit up one OTT last night not expecting much. I was really suprised. Dark, sungrown wrapper, full-bodied with some kick, but without the previous harshness. The draw was a little too tight. I suspect some drybox time would take care of that. Overall a very pleasant suprise. At the price you can get these here, I'd recommend that the other "Los Cheapos" give these a try.