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anyone want to do some surfing??? I am going to find out who these Clown's were who did this... talk about a waiste of Taxpayers Time and Money... these Congressmen/women don't know Diddly Squat about the United States Constitution... and it shows Below... the funny thing is.. We voted them in... but guess what... we can also Vote them Out... I bet they even did this on Our Dime.. instead of taking personal time off to try and Rape the People of the US...

The U.S. District Court has thrown out a lawsuit filed by six members of Congress and three unidentified members of the military and their families that would have barred the United States from any attack against Iraq without a declaration of war by Congress. In blocking the suit U.S. District Judge Joseph Tauro rejected the contention that the president must have congressional authority to order American forces into combat, saying that "case law makes clear that the Congress does not have the exclusive right to determine whether or not the United States engages in war." Congress has not formally declared a war since World War II.

Enjoy your Tax Dollars at work

Hog

No I am saying I will find out who these Congressmen/women are and post them as such... they are using your's mine and everyone else's tax dollars to virtually protest to what our Constitution gives the rights to our President and these Congressmen/woment the power to do.. but not drag it through a court system /Probably on our Dime.. when they should be working Other Issues on Our Dime!!!!
then lets see if they get voted in next time!!!!
Plus I/we don't know these are all democrats

I'll find the info on this one... Who they were!!!

Hog

Lawmakers and Military Families File Suit Against Bush's Authority to Wage War in Iraq

Washington, DC, Feb. 13-Rep. Jim McDermott, along with a coalition of U.S. soldiers, parents of soldiers, and other members of Congress, filed a lawsuit this morning against President George W. Bush and Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld. The lawsuit, filed in Boston, seeks to prevent President Bush from launching a military attack on Iraq without the consent of the U.S. Congress. Congressman John Conyers of Michigan, the ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee, is lead plaintiff on the suit.

In October, Congress passed a resolution that gave the President authority to ensure that Iraq does not pose a threat to the United States and complies with United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq. Many members of Congress-including many who voted in favor of the resolution-say they were not voting to give President Bush the right to declare war. They were voting to enforce inspections and disarmament, steps currently in progress.

"I doubt my colleagues intended to cede their constitutional obligations to this administration in direct violation of our duties to the people of this country," McDermott said.

The suit challenges the authority of the President to wage war against Iraq without a clear declaration of war by the U.S. Congress.

According to Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution, "Congress shall have Power...[t]o declare War." It is on this basis that the plaintiffs have filed suit. Included in the court papers are citations of historical records showing that the authors of the Constitution clearly did not want U.S. presidents to have authority to declare war, as European monarchs had.

Plaintiffs include several parents whose sons are already in the Persian Gulf-including a set of parents living in Washington State-and three members of the Armed Services. Charles Richardson, cofounder of Military Families Speak Out and parent of a member of the National Guard, said, "The President is not a king. If he wants to launch a military invasion against Iraq, he must first seek a declaration of war from the United States Congress."

In addition to the complaint, plaintiffs will seek an immediate hearing on the issue.

"The members of Congress must be the ones to declare a war if there is going to be one," said McDermott. "This is not George Bush's decision, and just because he says it is does not make it so. The people of this country are constitutionally protected from being forced to war without a hearing. Congress must give the people that hearing."

Other plaintiffs are Reps. Dennis Kuchinich (D-Ohio), Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.), Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-Texas), and Jose Serrano (D-N.Y.).

Now to find out when and what time they did all this... Time to see if there playing games on our Tax Dollars!!!!!

http://lawcrawler.findlaw.com/scripts/lc.pl?entry=attack+against+Iraq+without+a+declaration+of+war+by+Congress&sites=gov

Laterzzzz
Hog

i hope it works out for us, the usa.

"""Hog, you are saying that the Chief Commanding Officer, of the Military, of the United States of America, may lose the authority to declare war? """

According to the Constitution, the President never had the authority to declare war.

Responsabilities of the Congress.
Article I, section 8. Clause 11:
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

Responsabilities of the President.
Article II, section 2, Clause 1:
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;

(The applicable bit part being the last 10 words.)

These are the checks and balances that the Founding Fathers put in place to prevent any one branch of our government from having too much power. What these litigants are attempting to do is to use the court system as it was intended to be used to make these decisions. Damn good use of the tax dollars IMHO.

Responsibilities of the Congress.
Article I, section 8. Clause 11:
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

Responsibilities of the President.
Article II, section 2, Clause 1:
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;


Being somewhat a scholar on the subject of the English language and its uses as pertaining to legal documents and even literature, my question is why are the words what they are? Why does it say the word WAR in the congressional duties and yet fail to say WAR again n the Presidential duties? Instead it says, "when called in to actual service." Seems to me the authors could have said, "When called to war" or some such thing just as easily. I say this only because it seems to imply that the forefathers knew there might be cases in which military action is needed without the express declaration of war by congress. This seems to be the way it is interpreted today. Another thing, does this War on Terror constitute a real declaration of war? I thought that it did but maybe I am wrong. I post this only because I want your opinions on the wording as well. I do not me to offend or upset anyone. Let me know what you think. Mike

Spiny Thank You!! mkraus47 Thank You also!!!

Spiny for looking this matter up further, And Mike for asking the simple Question about the War on Terror that was Declaired and Signed off on almost 1 1/2 yrs ago...
Spiny this Very same Matter is sitting on the Senate Floor and also in the House...they are hashing this out since the first Initial start up of troop build-up in the region around Iraq...there wasn't a need to drag it across the haul into the court systems to find out the President did have the Athuarity to do exactly what he has been doing all along... bringing the matters before Congress and Senate the Only Thing he held back is the Intel things that are Top Secret to the security of this Nation... and I Commend the Administration for that...
What I see is these Congressmen are pissed off at the decision they made some months back and now want to change there mind and there roll in events unfolding... thus WAISTING OUR TAX DOLLARS!!!!!!!!

Hog

Fact is he is doing something to keep these Terrorists off our streets and on the Run... and these Congressmen don't like it now...

Fact is when Clinton... on the Day of His Impeachments were to take Place Launched Strikes at Bagdad and Saddam Hussain and all these Senators and Congressmen who Now think its a bad Idea were all for it when the same things were going on then as now... only worse... it happened on US Soil and Many Lives were Lost... Only back then when the heat was off Clinton his War ended...

Same Senetors Different President

Hog

They Were controlled by the GOP back then also... and like I said Same One's Jumped on the Bandwagon to launch strikes at Saddam for failing to follow through with UN Sanctions.. ON THE SAME DAY HIS (Clintons) Impeachment Proceedings were to Take Place... and NOW the SAME Democrats are tossing Crap at Bush and His Administration... Amazing how much of a Bad A$$ Saddam was when Clinton was on a Hot Seat... but Now he's a Flower Child!!!!

Give me a Break... it's time for some Real People in the Government!!!!!

Hog

LMAO @ Spiny!!!!

I Love Ya Bro!!!!! Now can I have yer Bud Light???

LMAO!!!!

Hog

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Hog