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Dixie Chicks - A Soldiers Remarks
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smithbw Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Apr 2 2003, 8:49 PM EST
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May she also have the freedom to look for a new career. Letter from radio station website in Lubbock, home of the Dixie Chick that spewed forth about our president:

Name: LT Layne McDowell
Date: 03/15/03
Time: 01:54:49 PM

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An open letter to the Dixie Chicks: Earlier this week, while performing in London, you stated that you were ashamed that our President is from your home state. I wonder if you realized how many Americans would be listening. This American was listening. This Texan is ashamed that you come from my state. I serve my country as an officer in the United States Navy. Specifically, I fly F-14 Tomcats off carriers around the world, executing the missions that preserve the very freedom you claim to exercise. I have proudly fought for my country in the skies over Kosovo, Iraq and Afghanistan without regret. Though I may disagree wholeheartedly with your comments, I will defend to the death your right to say them, in America. But for you to travel to a foreign land and publicly criticize our Commander in Chief is cowardice behavior. Would you have so willingly made those comments while performing for a patriotic, flag-waving crowd of Texans in Lubbock. I would imagine not. How dare you pocket profits off songs about soldiers, their deaths and patriotism while criticizing their Commander in Chief abroad, even while they prepare to give their lives to ensure your own freedom of speech. Please ask yourself, what have you done to deserve that sacrifice? Do not try to justify your comments by claiming that you made them only because you care about innocent lives. Never once in our history have we committed troops to war for the purpose of taking innocent lives. We do it to protect innocent lives, even yours. If the world leaders of the late 1930's had the vision and courage of our present Commander in Chief, perhaps the evil men who caused the death of millions in WWII would have never had the opportunity to harm a soul. The potential loss of millions of lives in the future at the hands of today's evil men necessitate action. In a separate correspondence, I am returning to you each and every Dixie Chicks CD and cassette that I have ever purchased. Never again will I allow my funds to support your behavior. All you have done is to add your name to a growing list of American "Celebrities" who have failed to realize that they have obtained their successes on the backs of the American blue-collar workers such as our servicemen and women.

To Natalie Maines: This Texan, this American will continue to risk his life to guarantee your freedoms. What will you do to deserve it?











Tobasco Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Apr 2 2003, 9:30 PM EST
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smithbw, Great post. I hope those Dipsey Chicks pay for thier lack of respect.

Mag
smithbw Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Apr 2 2003, 11:33 PM EST
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Mag - Ironically my wife asked me to pick her up the latest Dixie Chick CD yesterday. You can imagine my suprise...Well, needless to say, I showed her this thread and she said "We Will Never Buy Another CD from the Chicks". They should think before they slander our Commander in Chief!

Regards,


B
radsmoke Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Apr 3 2003, 7:44 AM EST
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I see the support for free speech is alive and well on this board. Its amazing how history repeats itself, I heard this same sort of thing when anyone criticized Johnson or Nixon during Nam. If you don't want to buy their records, fine. However, to question their patriotism for criticizing Bush is nonsense.
Tobasco Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Apr 3 2003, 8:46 AM EST
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radsmoke, they can say whatever they want. Did you here us say they couldnt? If you do though, the rest of us have an equal right to respond in a legal and peaceful way.

I choose to say, that they are being unpatriotic, and that I wont buy thier records, thats my right also.

What you are saying is wrong, you cant have it both ways radsmoke.

Mag

DrMaddVibe Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Apr 3 2003, 10:23 AM EST
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Anyone know what to baste a Dixie Chick with?








Pearl Jam, if you don't know....you will!
Tobasco Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Apr 3 2003, 11:13 AM EST
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Ah yes! Pearl Jam. One of my favorite groups. They blow the Dixie Chicks AWAY!

Mag
DrMaddVibe Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Apr 3 2003, 11:31 AM EST
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Sorry to hear that Mag...

I always knew they were whinny little ungrateful bastards!

http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/music/article/0,1299,DRMN_54_1860334,00.htm
Charlie Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Apr 3 2003, 12:22 PM EST
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F--k the Dixie Chicks............I have never bought any of their trash and never will! Radsmoke, we can critize them all we want, and I choose to call them gobs of puss that do not even measure up to any of our servicemen and women.

Charlie
Robby Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Apr 3 2003, 12:44 PM EST
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"However, to question their patriotism for criticizing Bush is nonsense."

What about our free speech? I think they were UNAMERICAN!! They were on foreign soil, on the eve of a war? Or had it started yet? And were patronizing their audience. If they disagreed, they could have talked about mamma, or trains, or getting drunk, or prison, or any of the things that make country music great, "I was drunk, the day my mamma, got out of prison..." There remarks were uncalled for, unpatriotic, unacceptable, inexcusable, and I for one will exercise MY right to "change the channel" if I EVER hear another whiney peep out of their scrawny little bleached blond heads!!!!!!!

Expatriates!!!!!!!!!
Tobasco Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Apr 3 2003, 12:47 PM EST
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Wow! I didnt hear about this garbage comming from Pearl Jam! I guess they are not getting any more of my business. Freakin Bastards!!

Thanks Dr.

Mag
Robby Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Apr 3 2003, 12:49 PM EST
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I support the police, but I don't think they should prosecute cop killers... Yeah, makes a lot of sense... I’m all for the Dems, but I support tax cuts, protecting the unborn and pandering to big business. Yeah, makes a lot of sense. I support the troops, but I’m totally opposed to Bush and this war… Yeah, makes a lot of sense…
jdrabinski Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Apr 3 2003, 6:11 PM EST
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Am I the only one who thinks everyone is overreacting just a little bit on this one? Sheesh.
Robby Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Apr 3 2003, 6:16 PM EST
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John, I support you, but I don't agree with what you're saying :o)
Tobasco Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Apr 3 2003, 6:25 PM EST
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Yes John. I think you are the only one, but isnt that how you like it? :>) Welcome back.

Mag
tailgater Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Apr 3 2003, 6:41 PM EST
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Mag hit it right on the head.
It seems that it is only considered Free Speech when somebody slams our country or our President.
Criticism of these statements is an over-reaction. Or perhaps even Unpatriotic.

This is the hypocracy that is being spoon fed to our students.
Robby Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Apr 3 2003, 6:42 PM EST
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Gator, I support you, but I'm violently opposed to your spooning.
SteveS Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Apr 3 2003, 7:21 PM EST
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The letter from LT McDowell that smithbw posted speaks my thoughts and feelings as well as I could possibly hope to do ...

In a response on another thread several weeks ago, Tailgater offered a viewpoint that I found to be eloquent and if I could find it readily, I'd re-post it here ... the essence of his thoughts was that this sort of behavior could potentially offer encouragement, however slight, to our enemies and could potentially de-moralize our own troops, however slightly and that the combination of those effects could potentially serve to alter the course of a battle or even the war itself ... at the least, it could easily protract the war and cost lives on both sides ...

Comments of this sort from "entertainers" and "celebrities" are shameless self agrandizement of the highest order on their part ... it is completely fitting that their work be boycotted ... not for a short time either ... I can speak only for myself, but in my case, it will be forever ... I have added the Dixie Chicks and Michael Moore to the Jane Fonda list ... people whose works will NEVER benefit from a single penny that I have earned or that anyone I can influence has earned either .... and THAT is MY right of self expression ...

LT McDowell, on the other hand, has my admiration and my undying gratitude ... my support goes to him and those like him in our military ...
justforfun Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Apr 3 2003, 7:25 PM EST
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Natalie needs to have her mouth washed out with a bar of soap. However, I will still listen, and likely buy, their music, even though I completely disagree with her opinions (there are two other chicks who I don't think should be judged guilty by association).

My wife and I went to a Chicks concert 2 years ago, and the odds (yes, this is true) were 4 females to one male --- the facility (Anaheim Pond) had to convert many of its mens restrooms to facilitate all the women. Wow, what a great eye candy night it was.
jdrabinski Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Apr 4 2003, 5:21 AM EST
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"This is the hypocracy that is being spoon fed to our students."

Tailgater, you must really loathe students as much as professors to think they are that vulnerable. You haven't a clue.

Thanks for reminding me why I no longer post on this board.

John
DrMaddVibe Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Apr 4 2003, 8:23 AM EST
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Good bye!

We won't miss you!
smithbw Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Apr 4 2003, 10:40 AM EST
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John - You are a very intelligent person. You know that our students (regardless of age) are impressionable. Especially by the mentors and leaders in our classrooms.

I encourage your opinion and would like for you to continue to voice it. I enjoy hearing different opinions about volatile subject such as this one. In that way, I can learn from you and others. I can objectively view the actions or reaction of people in trying times. Such as today's times.

Fact. A lot of students look to superstars and "Strongly" support what these people advocate. The Chicks (in my opinion) over reacted in an adverse mannerism which I refuse to tolerate and will boycott any and all things associated with them.

Bottom Line: We cannot allow "Super Stars" or mentors to trash our Nations Commander in Chief.

Just my thoughts.

Regards,


B
Charlie Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Apr 4 2003, 11:08 AM EST
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Hey Jdrabinski, don't be so damn thin skinned, you are the one who generally leads the attack for the Liberal Left, but let us come back at you and it is some kind of hypocrisy...........ease up Prof and go buy yourself some Dixie Chicks CD's since they seem to agree with you.

Charlie
DrMaddVibe Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Apr 4 2003, 11:40 AM EST
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Let the little crybaby take him and his ball home!

Who needs him!?! This board has it's Rick, this clown is a half-baked, wannabee poser!

Good Riddence, and don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you!
jjohnson28 Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Apr 4 2003, 12:04 PM EST
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How do you think we're going to get along
Without you when you're gone
We took you for everything that you had
And kicked you out on your own

Are you happy are you satisfied?
Knew you couldn't stand the heat
Out of the doorway the bullets rip
To the sound of the beat look out

Aaaand another one gone and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey I'm gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust


Hehehehehe god I hate whinners...LOL
Robby Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Apr 4 2003, 1:11 PM EST
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"Natalie needs to have her mouth washed out with a bar of soap. However, I will still listen, and likely buy, their music, even though I completely disagree with her opinions (there are two other chicks who I don't think should be judged guilty by association). "

good point justforfun, I'm going to rush right out and by a copy of mein kompf (sp?). I don't support Hitler, but he's one hell of an author. And besides, he was just excercising his RIGHT to free speach. And Gerbals? Pure guilt by ass-ociation... GIVE ME A BREAK!!! You ARE your friends. You don't see good folks buddying up with bad folks... The apple don't fall far from the tree...
tailgater Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Apr 4 2003, 1:44 PM EST
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First off, everything Steve says has to be taken with a grain of salt. If he thinks I'm eloquent, then he's got problems ....!!!!

John, you responded to the wrong portion of my post.
Why is it "free speech" when you bash the President, yet it is "Un-American" to criticize it?

As for students and professors, you couldn't be more wrong (again).
I love college students, and I still maintain contact with many of my professors. In fact, I had dinner, beers and watched a hockey game with them just a few weeks ago.

Don't be so broad in your accusations. It is merely the pea-brained Liberal Left professors and students that I loathe. And not so much the students. They'll likely get a job, pay taxes, and then form their own political beliefs without their tree-hugging professor giving directions.

Or am I being Un-American again?
Robby Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Apr 4 2003, 3:32 PM EST
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I'd like to love college students, but I can never get any consensual behavior... Maybe it's the receding hairline? Or maybe it's my intro line, how would you like to participate in a poll on our staff?
Spiny Norman Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Apr 4 2003, 3:57 PM EST
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""""I don't support Hitler, but he's one hell of an author. And besides, he was just excercising his RIGHT to free speach. And Gerbals? Pure guilt by ass-ociation...""""

Hitler associated with Gerbals?

http://www.princeton.edu/~jzana/gerbil.jpg
ducati996 Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Apr 4 2003, 4:28 PM EST
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and their music sucks too....
Robby Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Apr 4 2003, 4:32 PM EST
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LOL @ Spiney!!!
justforfun Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, Apr 4 2003, 5:30 PM EST
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Robby: Gee, I guess I failed to realize the parallel between Natalie Maines and Adolf Hitler or Joseph Goebbels (thought you might want to know how to spell it) before I posted my offering. I could've sworn two tried to conquer the world by force while one sings for a living. The comparison is a little far fetched but I appreciate what you're conveying.

I read Mein Kampf while a Political Science major in college, and found it dull, boring, and the ideologies consistent with that of a sociopathic spurned lunatic. Did you read it?

When listening to the sweet harmonies of the Chicks, and the lyrics of their songs (which are benign), I just don't experience that same feeling of revulsion as when I read this (very questionable) German literature. Oh well, different strokes.

I do appreciate your zeal and perspective on what's happening in the world these days. While I share many of your views, I'm just not as zealous. Good thing Natalie isn't an Iraqi singer/citizen speaking out against its leader or she'd likely be dead. It's great to be an American, isn't it! Sorry to tell you, but the days of McCarthy are long over and gone. If you, and others, choose not purchase Chick records, more power to you that's your right. But you will not influence my free thinking ability to purchase their music if I so choose. I love America!!! :)

By the way, I prefer Toby Keith (and his boot) over the Chicks any day!!!! In the end IT'S ONLY MUSIC.
Robby Offline
#33 Posted: Fri, Apr 4 2003, 6:02 PM EST
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I agree, I thought Wings was pretty good. And it was mostly down hill after that...
Robby Offline
#34 Posted: Fri, Apr 4 2003, 6:05 PM EST
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Wait a minute!! I just re-read your post! YOU MEAN ALL THAT STUFF I HEARD ABOUT ADOLPH AND THE FELCHING TUBE WAS A LIE!!?? DAMN!
justforfun Offline
#35 Posted: Fri, Apr 4 2003, 6:06 PM EST
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LOL
Robby Offline
#36 Posted: Fri, Apr 4 2003, 6:09 PM EST
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Note, I did say "ass-ociation" :-) Get it? Gerbals? Ass-ociation? FELCHING TUBE? You have to read my posts Veeeeerrrrry carfully, almost anally...
smithbw Offline
#37 Posted: Fri, Apr 4 2003, 9:49 PM EST
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LMAO @ Robby you are tooooo much sometimes!!

Regards,


B
Intel Offline
#38 Posted: Sat, Apr 5 2003, 4:33 AM EST
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Gerbals, I keep thinking of the Pretty Women actor. Who invented the tube you speak about and with a strait face how did he go to the patten office.
SteveS Offline
#39 Posted: Sat, Apr 5 2003, 6:11 AM EST
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Tailgater ... it may very well be true that whatever I say should be taken with a grain of salt but whether that's the case or not, it has nothing in the world to do with my referring to your eloquence ...

I looked up the definition of eloquent (and have posted it below) ... I've done a search and re-read everything you've posted on the topic of our engagement in Iraq during the last 30 days ... with greater conviction than ever, I submit that you, sir, are in fact quite eloquent whether you see yourself in that light or not ...

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Eloquent adj
Syn: fluent, articulate, persuasive, well-expressed, powerful, moving
Def:
1. said or saying something in a forceful, expressive, and persuasive way
2.expressing a feeling or thought clearly, memorably, or movingly
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Steve*R Offline
#40 Posted: Sat, Apr 5 2003, 12:19 PM EST
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jdrabinski wrote: Am I the only one who thinks everyone is overreacting just a little bit on this one?

Natalie Maines has the right to speak her mind. People tend to overreact when they ascribe importance to who she is and what her opinion is. Natalie doesn't like President Bush, so? The past presidential election indicated that about half the people in the country aren't all that fond of George Bush...nor was half the population that fond of Al Gore.

The reality is that for all the Dixie Chick boycott talk, their most recent CD, after 31 weeks on Billboard's Top 200 survey is still #16. Check Ebay for tickets to Dixie Chicks concert tickets. There goes the cigar budget. Most reasonable people pay no attention to Natalie Maines, other than for her very special vocal talent.

Robby Offline
#41 Posted: Sat, Apr 5 2003, 5:46 PM EST
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Where I found some of their music enjoyable before, and although I don't own any of it, I would have considered listening to it or buying it. Now, if I hear it on the radio (and I don't), I would change the channel. And I would never consider purchasing anything which would bring them financial gain. On such a divisive issue and at such a critical time, for them to take such a visible position which would clearly alienate literally 1/2 of their "customers" is in a word absurd...
tailgater Offline
#42 Posted: Sat, Apr 5 2003, 6:57 PM EST
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Steve,
You had me at "hello"...
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