551. Author: frankj1 | Date: Wed, 11/20/2019, 9:12PM EST | |
frankj1 wrote:if Candide is the one with The best of all possible worlds, then I read that 45 years ago. the fog is clearing. This led me to Epitaph of a Small Winner, by Machado de Assis or some similar name. I remember loving it. Especially after reading Candide. Maybe I'll revisit... |
552. Author: USNGunner | Date: Wed, 11/20/2019, 9:16PM EST | |
Thief of Time. Is that the one with the midgets and the time machine? I loved that movie! |
553. Author: Sunoverbeach | Date: Wed, 11/20/2019, 10:48PM EST | |
You talking about Time Bandits? No machine, but a map to different time portals. |
554. Author: USNGunner | Date: Wed, 11/20/2019, 10:52PM EST | |
Sunoverbeach wrote:You talking about Time Bandits? No machine, but a map to different time portals. Yep. That's it. |
555. Author: Sunoverbeach | Date: Thu, 11/21/2019, 6:18AM EST | |
Loved that one as a kid. But always horrified me when his parents flamed out at the end. |
556. Author: CelticBomber | Date: Thu, 11/21/2019, 12:04PM EST | |
frankj1 wrote:if Candide is the one with The best of all possible worlds, then I read that 45 years ago. Sort of, Candide, (French for Optimism) puts forward the idea that no matter how bad your situation is you shouldn't be philosophical about it and just accept it. Thinking you can better your lot in life is considered subversive by the ruling class. Candide's situation goes from bad to worse to abominable but he keeps his optimism. But, he always suffers misfortune. It's only at the end when he meets a poor farmer who is happy because doesn't think about or expect anything from life, he just works hard on his little farm and survives that Candide and his friends assume the same attitude, that they find peace. It was Dutch missionary's who preached to the poor that if you just accept your lot in life and know your place and never try to better yourself (I.E. try to subvert God's plan for you) you'll find true happiness. Candide was Voltaire's way of satirizing this doctrine. He was imprisoned at least twice for his writings. Basically it boils down to if you are suffering, you were made to suffer for a reason and should not question it. Just accept it. |
557. Author: CelticBomber | Date: Thu, 11/21/2019, 12:26PM EST | |
USNGunner wrote:Thief of Time. Is that the one with the midgets and the time machine? I loved that movie! Lol no but I loved that movie as a kid! Almost all of Terry Pratchett's book are set on the Discworld. A flat world carried on the backs of 4 giant elephants who in turn stand on the back of the great space turtle A'tuin. People really use to believe this and there is an old quote about a person who asks a philosopher what does the turtle stand on? His reply is "It's turtle's, all the way down!" Almost all of the books are satire of the real world. The first few books in the series have humor more akin to Airplane! or HotShots but, as his writing progressed the books got better and better and while still being hilarious they also started to point out the absurdities of people and what they are willing to accept while at the same time still managing to move civilization forward. The main city Anhk-Morpork (Basically London) is a said to be run by a Democracy. One man, one vote. The Patrician was the man and he had the vote;-) He also legitimized the thieves guild making it an official part of the government on the idea that since there was always going to be crime it might as well be organized crime. They were given a budget and were allow so much crime per year. People could pay a small yearly premium and walk without fear of being robbed. Pratchett is English and definitely brings that dry wit the Brits are so famous for (which I love) but, sometimes he can be downright hysterical. He also wrote a book with Neil Gaiman called Good Omens which is REALLY funny! |
558. Author: USNGunner | Date: Thu, 11/21/2019, 12:40PM EST | |
Nice. Well, I'm gonna need some more book shelves. LOL. |
559. Author: MACS | Date: Mon, 3/23/2020, 10:55PM EST | |
The Blade Itself - Joe Abercrombie |
560. Author: CelticBomber | Date: Mon, 3/23/2020, 11:48PM EST | |
The Divine Comedy - Dante (Inferno, Purgatorio and Paradiso) Mysteries of Modern Physics - Professor Sean Carroll (Part of The Great Courses lectures. University level lectures on Audiobook) King Arthur: History and Legend - Dorsey Armstrong (Examine's the real history of some of the characters and how multiple legends were merged into the King Arthur story we know today) The Skeptic's Guide to American History - Mark A. Stoler (Part of The Great Courses lectures. University level lectures on Audiobook)
All of The Great Courses lectures are amazing and well worth the listen. There must be 600 of these on every subject imaginable. Each one is broken up into multiple lectures Can be 10 Lectures or 25 Lectures per and can go from 7 to 30+ hours.
Now I also have to read
To Kill a Mockingbird - Harper Lee The Republic - Plato Catcher in the Rye - J. D. Salinger
Two Books I just finished that I would urge everyone to read.
The Body Keeps the Score - Bessel Van der Kolk M.D. ( If you've suffer any kind of physical trauma, PTSD, etc. this book will change your life.)
Talking To Strangers - Malcolm Gladwell Just mind blowing. Everyone in any kind of law enforcement should have to read this book. It's about how we believe we can tell if a person is guilty or not, Lying or telling the truth and many other things based on body language and also about how we ignore real warning signs because we don't want to believe we are being fooled. Among other things. Every opinion is backed by scientific studies on multiple levels. Stories about how Castro FLOODED the C.I.A. with his spies and almost none were caught even when there was clear evidence. It's eye opening and a bit scary. |
561. Author: deadeyedick | Date: Tue, 3/24/2020, 8:35AM EST | |
America's Gun Wars - Donald J Campbell
Compendium of the history and arguments for and against guns in the hands of citizens. |
562. Author: USNGunner | Date: Wed, 3/25/2020, 9:05PM EST | |
Stephen, physics? Check this video out.
Father of Modern Physics: James Clerk Maxwell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuWEqE4k230 |
563. Author: frankj1 | Date: Wed, 3/25/2020, 10:41PM EST | |
CelticBomber wrote:The Divine Comedy - Dante (Inferno, Purgatorio and Paradiso) Mysteries of Modern Physics - Professor Sean Carroll (Part of The Great Courses lectures. University level lectures on Audiobook) King Arthur: History and Legend - Dorsey Armstrong (Examine's the real history of some of the characters and how multiple legends were merged into the King Arthur story we know today) The Skeptic's Guide to American History - Mark A. Stoler (Part of The Great Courses lectures. University level lectures on Audiobook)
All of The Great Courses lectures are amazing and well worth the listen. There must be 600 of these on every subject imaginable. Each one is broken up into multiple lectures Can be 10 Lectures or 25 Lectures per and can go from 7 to 30+ hours.
Now I also have to read
To Kill a Mockingbird - Harper Lee The Republic - Plato Catcher in the Rye - J. D. Salinger
Two Books I just finished that I would urge everyone to read.
The Body Keeps the Score - Bessel Van der Kolk M.D. ( If you've suffer any kind of physical trauma, PTSD, etc. this book will change your life.)
Talking To Strangers - Malcolm Gladwell Just mind blowing. Everyone in any kind of law enforcement should have to read this book. It's about how we believe we can tell if a person is guilty or not, Lying or telling the truth and many other things based on body language and also about how we ignore real warning signs because we don't want to believe we are being fooled. Among other things. Every opinion is backed by scientific studies on multiple levels. Stories about how Castro FLOODED the C.I.A. with his spies and almost none were caught even when there was clear evidence. It's eye opening and a bit scary. Talking to Strangers seems like something that would make me break my decade long aversion to reading (and doing NY Times Sunday crossword puzzles). I'll put it on my order list and wait for the library system to reopen. thanks azz hole |
564. Author: 8trackdisco | Date: Sun, 3/29/2020, 10:10AM EST | |
Murder at St. Andrews: A Darwin Summers Mystery by James Koeper.
Was thinking of Deadeyedick when reading this. Couldn’t tell if it was a murder mystery book about golf or the reverse. Written by a guy who splits time between Texas and Wisconsin. Gives a great history of the old course at St Andrews while the mystery unfolds. Better than average read. |
565. Author: opelmanta1900 | Date: Sun, 3/29/2020, 10:21AM EST | |
I'm still reading a Connecticut Yankee in king Arthur's court... Been picking it up when I hit the river and soak bait.... One of my favorites of all time... |
566. Author: fiddler898 | Date: Sun, 3/29/2020, 12:31PM EST | |
Someone mentioned this a couple weeks ago, but I don’t recall the context: I’m reading Kafka's "Metamorphosis," in preparation for my next book, "The Cockroach," by Ian McEwan. It’s the Kafka story in reverse, apparently. |
567. Author: benja123 | Date: Sun, 3/29/2020, 2:02PM EST | |
whatever is free on Amazon Prime. Brilliance Trilogy by Marcus Sakey
downloaded white fang- jack London next |
568. Author: RMAN4443 | Date: Sun, 3/29/2020, 2:13PM EST | |
The menu from Taco Beyondo...a local Mexican place, in the mood for some good spicy Mexican food |
569. Author: MACS | Date: Sun, 3/29/2020, 3:11PM EST | |
benja123 wrote:whatever is free on Amazon Prime. Brilliance Trilogy by Marcus Sakey
downloaded white fang- jack London next White Fang was one of my favorite books in HS. That and Call of the Wild. Jack London was a great author. |
570. Author: USNGunner | Date: Sun, 3/29/2020, 3:20PM EST | |
I love Jack London. Superb talent.
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571. Author: benja123 | Date: Sun, 3/29/2020, 4:39PM EST | |
Same here- read all his books in JHS, then read jim kjellgaard sp? did more young person books in London style Big Red, I think? Wasn't allowed to have one and I read every dog book around. Call of the Wild in my downloads too. See the promo for the new movie with Harrison Ford? The CG is so bad I couldn't even watch the reel. |
572. Author: deadeyedick | Date: Sun, 3/29/2020, 6:58PM EST | |
This Land Is Our Land an immigrants manifesto - Suketu Mehta
Same 'ol BS about reparations and open borders we owe the 3rd world. |
573. Author: 8trackdisco | Date: Fri, 4/3/2020, 11:07PM EST | |
Ok, which one of you jackalopes suggested I read.. Being Mortal? |
574. Author: izonfire | Date: Sat, 4/4/2020, 2:30AM EST | |
Celtic's Manifesto
Damn, this schitt is fucqued up... |
575. Author: CelticBomber | Date: Sat, 4/4/2020, 6:49AM EST | |
izonfire wrote:Celtic's Manifesto
Damn, this schitt is fucqued up... I'm going to find you... just a matter of time. All I have to do is find a herd of goats with a surprised look on their faces. |
576. Author: CelticBomber | Date: Sat, 4/4/2020, 6:57AM EST | |
frankj1 wrote:Talking to Strangers seems like something that would make me break my decade long aversion to reading (and doing NY Times Sunday crossword puzzles). I'll put it on my order list and wait for the library system to reopen. thanks azz hole I really hope you read or listen to this book.... It's amazing. I really enjoyed listening to it. The author reads it himself so he emphasizes his points in the way he wrote them rather than someone else's interpretation of his words. You get to hear his anger or frustration or shock or amusement as he meant you to. I'm currently finishing The Divine Comedy again... We're in Heaven and he's just met Beatrice. I love the writing... Instead of He said to..... or He replied. Every time someone speaks to another it's "and He to me". Or "Me to he" etc... Makes it sound more formal and personal. More intimate, which really fits the setting. |
577. Author: izonfire | Date: Sat, 4/4/2020, 7:02AM EST | |
CelticBomber wrote:I'm going to find you... just a matter of time. All I have to do is find a herd of goats with a surprised look on their faces.
🤔... 🖕🏽 🤣🤣🤣 |
578. Author: Speyside | Date: Sat, 4/4/2020, 8:31AM EST | |
CB, I just finished the body keeps score. You were right. Now I am rereading The Warrior Diet. |
579. Author: Gene363 | Date: Sat, 4/4/2020, 8:38PM EST | |
Unbroken: A World War II Story of Survival, Resilience, and Redemption
By Laura Hillenbrand
"Louie’s life, with its athletic feats, air combat, plane crash, shark attack, strafing, years as a POW, and slavery, is truly singular. But as unique and dramatic as it is, his story offers lessons that can guide those of us who lead much more ordinary lives. It stands as a testament to the breadth of the realm of possibility, demonstrating that with perseverance, courage, and resourcefulness we can prevail over hardships we imagined were insurmountable. And it demonstrates both the corrosive, life-consuming nature of bitterness and the transcendent liberation and peace that are the gifts of forgiveness. An odyssey of exceptional hardship, pain, trial, and triumph, Louie’s life is like no other, yet it carries lessons that speak to all of us. He is truly an inspiration.”
This is a quote from the author that says it all. |
580. Author: frankj1 | Date: Sat, 4/4/2020, 9:57PM EST | |
Not Louie, TW's dog? |
581. Author: Gene363 | Date: Sat, 4/4/2020, 11:00PM EST | |
frankj1 wrote:Not Louie, TW's dog? Louis Zamperini Olympian, WWII Vet and POW Quote:Louis Silvie Zamperini (January 26, 1917 – July 2, 2014) was an American World War II veteran, a Christian evangelist and an Olympic distance runner. He took up running in high school and qualified for the US in the 5,000 m race for the 1936 Berlin Olympics. In 1941, he was commissioned into the United States Army Air Forces as a lieutenant. He served as a bombardier in B-24 Liberators in the Pacific. On a search and rescue mission, mechanical difficulties forced Zamperini's plane to crash in the ocean. After drifting at sea for 47 days, he landed on the Japanese occupied Marshall Islands and was captured. He was taken to a prison camp in Japan where he was tortured. Following the war he initially struggled to overcome his ordeal. |
582. Author: izonfire | Date: Sat, 4/4/2020, 11:12PM EST | |
Celtic’s mind.
Whew!!! Not good... |
583. Author: Palama | Date: Sun, 4/5/2020, 12:22AM EST | |
Gene363 wrote:Unbroken: A World War II Story of Survival, Resilience, and Redemption
By Laura Hillenbrand
"Louie’s life, with its athletic feats, air combat, plane crash, shark attack, strafing, years as a POW, and slavery, is truly singular. But as unique and dramatic as it is, his story offers lessons that can guide those of us who lead much more ordinary lives. It stands as a testament to the breadth of the realm of possibility, demonstrating that with perseverance, courage, and resourcefulness we can prevail over hardships we imagined were insurmountable. And it demonstrates both the corrosive, life-consuming nature of bitterness and the transcendent liberation and peace that are the gifts of forgiveness. An odyssey of exceptional hardship, pain, trial, and triumph, Louie’s life is like no other, yet it carries lessons that speak to all of us. He is truly an inspiration.”
This is a quote from the author that says it all. Great book! |
584. Author: Gene363 | Date: Mon, 4/6/2020, 9:18AM EST | |
Palama wrote:Great book! Nothing like redemption. |
585. Author: Gene363 | Date: Mon, 4/6/2020, 9:20AM EST | |
The Coastwatchers: Operation Ferdinand and the Fight for the South Pacific By: Eric A. Feldt Quote:The Coastwatchers is the story of the unsung heroic civilian spotters of World War 2 who roamed the coastlines of their home islands and reported back enemy sightings to Allied Intelligence. Author Eric Feldt led Operation Ferdinand, part of the build-up to the Normandy landings, in which the Coastwatchers, by this time on the US Navy's payroll, played a critical role. His intimate knowledge of Ferdinand, and his familiarity with the Coastwatchers of the Pacific islands, provides a unique perspective on this little known but important chapter of military history. |
586. Author: Gene363 | Date: Sun, 4/12/2020, 10:02PM EST | |
Devotion: An Epic Story of Heroism, Friendship, and Sacrifice By: Adam Makos A sad, but interesting story that takes place before and during the Korean War. Quote:Devotion tells the inspirational story of the U.S. Navy’s most famous aviator duo, Lieutenant Tom Hudner and Ensign Jesse Brown, and the Marines they fought to defend. A white New Englander from the country-club scene, Tom passed up Harvard to fly fighters for his country. An African American sharecropper’s son from Mississippi, Jesse became the navy’s first black carrier pilot, defending a nation that wouldn’t even serve him in a bar. |
587. Author: MACS | Date: Sun, 4/12/2020, 10:12PM EST | |
Before They are Hanged - Joe Abercrombie |
588. Author: deadeyedick | Date: Mon, 4/13/2020, 12:25PM EST | |
Just started Death By China a global call to action by Peter Navarro & Greg Autry
Seems appropriate reading about now. |
589. Author: cacman | Date: Mon, 4/13/2020, 1:37PM EST | |
Just finished Spearhead by Adam Makos An autobiographical account of an American tank gunner, his enemy, and a collision of lives in WWII
Into Thin Air by Jon Krakauer A third book on the 1996 Everest expedition in which 17 climbers lost their lives.
Currently reading A Thief of Time by Tony Hillerman A fictional story about Indian pot hunters (not MJ) |
590. Author: CelticBomber | Date: Mon, 4/13/2020, 2:21PM EST | |
izonfire wrote:Celtic’s mind.
Whew!!! Not good... You wish! If you read my mind you'd be drooling right now like you took the biggest dose of LSD ever taken by one man. You'd understand time, space, light, matter, energy, sex, drugs and rock 'n roll like never before.... You can't handle the truth! You can barely handle goats! |
591. Author: CelticBomber | Date: Mon, 4/13/2020, 9:38PM EST | |
Book of Poetry tonight. This has always been one of those I could never forget. Always makes me think of my Dad. Every day getting up and breaking his back. Not for fame or glory but just for us. Nothing to the rest of the world but, a hero to me.
The Hollow Men by T.S. Eliot
Mistah Kurtz - he dead. ----- A reference to Heart of Darkness (1899) is a novella by Polish-English novelist Joseph Conrad.
A penny for the Old Guy ------ A reference to Guy Fawkes
I
We are the hollow men We are the stuffed men Leaning together Headpiece filled with straw. Alas! Our dried voices, when We whisper together Are quiet and meaningless As wind in dry grass or rats' feet over broken glass In our dry cellar
Shape without form, shade without colour, Paralysed force, gesture without motion;
Those who have crossed With direct eyes, to death's other kingdom Remember us - if at all - not as lost Violent souls, but only As the hollow men The stuffed men.
II
Eyes I dare not meet in dreams In death's dream kingdom These do not appear: There, the eyes are Sunlight on a broken column There, is a tree swinging And voices are In the wind's singing More distant and more solemn Than a fading star.
Let me be no nearer In death's dream kingdom Let me also wear Such deliberate disguises Rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves In a field Behaving as the wind behaves No nearer -
Not that final meeting In the twilight kingdom
III
This is the dead land This is cactus land Here the stone images Are raised, here they receive The supplication of a dead man's hand Under the twinkle of a fading star.
Is it like this In death's other kingdom Waking alone At the hour when we are Trembling with tenderness Lips that would kiss Form prayers to broken stone.
IV
The eyes are not here There are no eyes here In this valley of dying stars In this hollow valley This broken jaw of our lost kingdoms
In this last of meeting places We grope together And avoid speech Gathered on this beach of this tumid river
Sightless, unless The eyes reappear As the perpetual star Multifoliate rose Of death's twilight kingdom The hope only Of empty men.
V
Here we go round the prickly pear Prickly pear prickly pear Here we go round the prickly pear At five o'clock in the morning.
Between the idea And the reality Between the motion And the act Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom
Between the conception And the creation Between the emotion And the response Falls the Shadow
Life is very long
Between the desire And the spasm Between the potency And the existence Between the essence And the descent Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom
For Thine is Life is For Thine is the
This is the way the world ends This is the way the world ends This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but with a whimper.
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592. Author: CelticBomber | Date: Mon, 4/13/2020, 9:48PM EST | |
opelmanta1900 wrote:I'm still reading a Connecticut Yankee in king Arthur's court... Been picking it up when I hit the river and soak bait.... One of my favorites of all time... This book and the movie The Time Machine have had a thought churning in my head for over 35 years. If you could go back in time to the Dark Ages or even further back what 3 books would you take with you. You only get 3 and have to live out the rest of your life there. What would you take? I still don't have a definitive answer. |
593. Author: ZRX1200 | Date: Mon, 4/13/2020, 9:57PM EST | |
Just got a couple of Lawrence Block books in the Scudder series I haven’t read yet. |
594. Author: Gene363 | Date: Tue, 4/14/2020, 11:41AM EST | |
Just finished, Harms WayBy James Bassett Quote:Harm’s Way is a thrilling novel of naval fortitude and survival in the combat for the Pacific Ocean. It culminates in a brilliant sea battle off the coast of the strategic island of Levu-Vana where the fate of the Pacific conflict hangs in the balance. I don't read many novels, but this one wasn't too bad after reading nonfiction accounts of the Coast Watchers and the battle for Guadalcanal. |
595. Author: Gene363 | Date: Tue, 4/14/2020, 12:28PM EST | |
American Murder Houses By: John Lehto Quote:Writer Steve Lehto recounts the stories behind the houses where Lizzie Borden supposedly gave her stepmother “forty whacks,” where the real Amityville Horror was first unleashed by gunfire, and where the demented acts of the Manson Family horrified a nation—as well some lesser-known sites of murder that were no less ghastly. |
596. Author: 8trackdisco | Date: Wed, 4/15/2020, 8:59PM EST | |
Finished ..... Being Mortal by Atul Gawande.
Three parts depressing, two parts enlightening. Not the best reading choice for just before bedtime during a pandemic. In the end, it should help me navigate the final twists and turns of life. |
597. Author: Gene363 | Date: Wed, 4/15/2020, 10:30PM EST | |
cacman wrote:Just finished Spearhead by Adam Makos An autobiographical account of an American tank gunner, his enemy, and a collision of lives in WWII
Into Thin Air by Jon Krakauer A third book on the 1996 Everest expedition in which 17 climbers lost their lives.
Currently reading A Thief of Time by Tony Hillerman A fictional story about Indian pot hunters (not MJ) Spearhead was a good one, I bought a signed copy of the book for my veteran son at valorstudios.com |
598. Author: Gene363 | Date: Sat, 4/18/2020, 2:25PM EST | |
Just finished, The Soldier Who Came BackBy Steven Foster with help from Alan Clark The story of a most audacious escape attempt by two British POWs in WWII. https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/soldier-who-came-back-nazi-prison-camp.html Quote:A book based on Steve Foster’s painstaking research into his father’s life as a POW and his escape.
In Northern Poland in 1940, at the Nazi war camp Stalag XX-A, two men struck up an unlikely friendship that was to lead to one of the most brazen and remarkable wartime escape stories ever told.
Antony Coulthard (nicknamed ‘The Professor’) was the privately educated son of wealthy parents with a first-class honours degree in modern languages from Oxford. The other man, Fred Foster, was the son of a bricklayer from Nottinghamshire who had left school aged 14.
Held in captivity, this seemingly mismatched pair would bond together and hatch a risky plan: they would perfect their German, forge travel documents, disguise themselves as travelling salesmen – and simply walk out of the camp.
Their journey would take them into the very heart of the Third Reich, stopping en route to sightsee and drink at a notorious Nazi watering hole.
‘It was a clever strategy, but a high-risk one. Success or failure would depend entirely on one thing: their ability to pass themselves off as native German speakers. The weight of this rested largely on Antony, whose fluency would be their passport to freedom. The serious challenge was to get Fred’s skills up to a level where he could just about pass muster during the time required. It would be, as Fred put it, “one big bluff”.’
What happened next is both heart-stopping and tragic. |
599. Author: Speyside | Date: Sat, 4/18/2020, 4:49PM EST | |
Beyond Good and Evil Friedrich Nietzsche |
600. Author: Gene363 | Date: Mon, 4/20/2020, 2:09PM EST | |
Finished this one in two days. The Crash of Little EvaBy: Barry Ralph An epic story of survival that includes a lookout the initial role of the US in Australia and the Pacific. Quote:"Little Eva" was a USAAF Consolidated B-24 Liberator which, returning from a bombing mission, got lost and crashed having exhausted its fuel supply on 2 December 1942 north-west of Burketown, Queensland (near the Gulf of Carpentaria).
The crew had taken to their parachutes before the crash. The survivors, now in two groups, set out on foot. Two of the crew travelled east and came across people after twelve days. The other party travelled westerly, with the only surviving member being found some five months later.
The aircraft, part of the 321st Squadron, 90th Bombardment Group based at Iron Range was returning with four other B-24s from a bombing raid on a Japanese troop convoy about 80 km north of Buna, Papua New Guinea. "Little Eva" lost touch with the other aircraft and returned to the base on its own. A severe thunderstorm disabled the radio, causing the flight to lose its way and run out of fuel. Lieutenant Norman Crosson, the pilot, gave orders to bail out. Most of the crew members parachuted to safety, however one was killed when his parachute snagged on the aircraft and another who did not jump was killed when the plane crashed at about 2:45am near the Burriejella waterhole. |