| 51. Author: andytv | Date: Thu, 3/28/2013, 4:55PM EST | |
Never really cared for SRV. To me it just sounded like more regurgitated Chicago blues that every teenage guitarist was cranking out without much trouble.
Gimme Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, Randy Rhoads, or any of the dazzling neo-classical guys any day.
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| 52. Author: dkeage | Date: Thu, 3/28/2013, 5:33PM EST | |
andytv wrote:Never really cared for SRV. To me it just sounded like more regurgitated Chicago blues that every teenage guitarist was cranking out without much trouble.
Gimme Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, Randy Rhoads, or any of the dazzling neo-classical guys any day.
I tried brutha....  I loved SRV. Saw him 6-7 times. The last time was a co headliner show with Jeff Beck. Wow Best guitarist?? Prolly not, but was fun to see him as a Texas boy. |
| 53. Author: tailgater | Date: Fri, 3/29/2013, 9:01AM EST | |
Jimmy Page confuses me.
On studio albums, his stuff is pretty amazing.
He was innovative and brought a heavy blues based sound to hard rock.
But with all the new satellite radio and youtube making previously unknown material to be heard, I have come to the conclusion that Jimmy Page sucked live.
Sloppy. Irratic. Out of tune.
When your best stuff is a friggin violin bow at volume #11 to make your ears bleed?
Nuff said.
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| 54. Author: cacman | Date: Fri, 3/29/2013, 9:09AM EST | |
NEVER thought Jimmy Page was that great a musician. |
| 55. Author: justinjoslin82 | Date: Fri, 3/29/2013, 9:54AM EST | |
Warren Haynes |
| 56. Author: tailgater | Date: Fri, 3/29/2013, 10:28AM EST | |
Johnny Winter was pretty good.
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| 57. Author: Buckwheat | Date: Fri, 3/29/2013, 12:27PM EST | |
DrMaddVibe wrote:Oh, I don't know...
Excerpt from People Magazine (September 1990):
Shortly afterward, at 12:15 A.M. on Aug. 27, the exhilarated musicians left the stage through a rear exit. Vaughan, 35, had planned to make the two-hour drive back to his Chicago hotel with his brother and sister-in-law, Connie, but at the last minute he chose to board a Bell 206B Jet Ranger, one of four helicopters waiting nearby. According to his New York City publicist, Charles Comer, Vaughan had learned from Clapton's manager that there were seats enough to accommodate all three in his party. When he found only one place was actually available, Vaughan said to Connie and Jimmie, "Do you mind if I take the seat? I really need to get back."
The helicopter took off in fog around 12:40 A.M. with Vaughan and four others aboard. Sweet Chicago would never be reached. Moments later the chopper's remains lay spread across more than 200 feet of a man-made ski slope in a field dotted with bittersweet and Queen Anne's lace. All on board were killed instantly in what National Transportation Safety Board investigator William Bruce later described as "a high-energy, high-velocity impact at a shallow angle."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnA3ByovJpo
Like I said the Helicopters didn't belong to EC. Here is were I got my info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Stevie_Ray_Vaughan I've just heard numerous people blame EC for SRV's death. Just no facks to back up that claim. Doesn't really matter. Dead is Dead.  |
| 58. Author: tailgater | Date: Fri, 3/29/2013, 2:45PM EST | |
Buckwheat wrote:Like I said the Helicopters didn't belong to EC. Here is were I got my info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Stevie_Ray_Vaughan I've just heard numerous people blame EC for SRV's death. Just no facks to back up that claim. Doesn't really matter. Dead is Dead. Unless he's only MOSTLY dead. |
| 59. Author: andytv | Date: Fri, 3/29/2013, 3:30PM EST | |
Page's genius was in the studio; orchestrating multi track riffs. Not only is he sloppy live, he can only play one guitar. |
| 60. Author: ZRX1200 | Date: Fri, 3/29/2013, 3:31PM EST | |
One guitar.
In VARIOUS tunings. |
| 61. Author: tailgater | Date: Fri, 3/29/2013, 5:14PM EST | |
ZRX1200 wrote:One guitar.
In VARIOUS tunings. And UN-tunings. |
| 62. Author: tailgater | Date: Fri, 3/29/2013, 5:17PM EST | |
andytv wrote:Page's genius was in the studio; orchestrating multi track riffs. Not only is he sloppy live, he can only play one guitar. But how great is someone who is only "great" when they're able to manipulate the end result? A good producer could make any slacker sound decent. |
| 63. Author: andytv | Date: Fri, 3/29/2013, 6:53PM EST | |
tailgater wrote:But how great is someone who is only "great" when they're able to manipulate the end result?
A good producer could make any slacker sound decent. Maybe now that is true; but in those days it was different. When asked how he got the guitar tone for "Black Dog", Page had some insane story about miking different amps, looping them through some other PA, then miking that from behind some sort of curtain...while the drummer is playing in the bathroom. Besides.....it's not just technology and gimmicks; Page had some really intricate composite riffs. It ain't easy. I have recording software and I'll be damned if I can come up with anything anywhere near Page's stuff. Some of it still blows my mind. |
| 64. Author: DrMaddVibe | Date: Sat, 3/30/2013, 5:51AM EST | |
tailgater wrote:Unless he's only MOSTLY dead.
Most sincerely dead?  |
| 65. Author: MIKEHARV | Date: Sat, 3/30/2013, 5:53AM EST | |
 DrMaddVibe wrote:Most sincerely dead? |
| 66. Author: DrMaddVibe | Date: Sat, 3/30/2013, 6:03AM EST | |
andytv wrote:Page's genius was in the studio; orchestrating multi track riffs. Not only is he sloppy live, he can only play one guitar. +1...and Jimi's too. Yes he was pushing the envelope with one of Rock's PREMIER sound engineers...the great Eddie Kramer. There are straight ahead players like Pat Travers, Pat Metheny, Kim Thayil and a host of others that will capture live the exact sound they put down in the studio. When it comes to Jimmy Page and his multi-track layering techniques...you can't dial that in night after night on the road...on a stage...on equipment that's been moved from city to city...weather...hence his bow trick and use of the thermin. Any real fan of Led Zeppelin will be able to tell you unbiased that they weren't the greatest "live" band out there. John Bonham and John Paul Jones weren't the reasons...it was Plant's vocals and Jimmy's guitar playing...and the drug use that you never knew what was going to happen night to night. If you saw them then you might remember what you want too, but when you listen to bootleg concerts they're a hot sloppy mess...and Lord knows I LOVE ME some Led Zeppelin. Even the heralded recent film "Celebration Day"...Plant doesn't come into his own until about the 5th song...he sounds disjointed and out of key trying to alter timings with his stuttering singing. Then it's like he flips a switch and VIOLA! Led Zeppelin was there...when I watch that concert I'm reminded of how and why a reunion tour isn't going to happen...3/4 of that band is playing so tight that you're waiting for the springs to snap...1/4 has to warm up and become comfortable...its in your face apparent. |
| 67. Author: m j toal | Date: Sat, 3/30/2013, 9:29AM EST | |
Gary Moore
Ain't the greatest singer, and I don't necessarily like all of his work, but technically, one of the best lead guitarists to ever walk the planet. He can do it all. Hard Rock, Blues, you name it. We are talking greatest guitarist, not favorite song or most popular right?
MH |
| 68. Author: cacman | Date: Sat, 3/30/2013, 11:12AM EST | |
andytv wrote:Page's genius was in the studio; orchestrating multi track riffs. Not only is he sloppy live, he can only play one guitar. Says a lot when a "Muscician's" genius was in the studio only; heavily produced, over sythensized, and can't be reproduced live or unplugged. Phffffft!!!! He's probably friends with Beyonce! |
| 69. Author: JadeRose | Date: Wed, 4/3/2013, 10:26PM EST | |
SRV?
YOU ARE HIGH!
Hendrix...and it ain't even close. Watch footage of him play. Don't watch the performance...just watch him play. His hands were huge and he had absolute mastery of that instrument. He could play anything. SRV sounds like Texas white boy trying to play like Hendrix. Been 40 years since JH died and he's STILL the best. |
| 70. Author: DrMaddVibe | Date: Thu, 4/4/2013, 6:44AM EST | |
Buckwheat wrote:+1 and I'd like to add his son Dweezil Zappa to the list. I saw him play with Zappa Plays Zappa with Steve Vai who he blew off the stage. Vai's playing just didn't flow at all.
I'd also like to add Fripp and Belew to the list as well.
Peter Frampton has some pretty good chops as well. Great when he toured with David Bowie.
Also have to give a shout out to Lester Flatt. Legendary Bluegrass picker. Saw the same show on it's first run...the encore brought tears to my eyes...son playing with father...with most of his dad's band in tow...well worth the dough. Been a fan of Dweezil's since his first album...got to meet him and have a signed CD...he's talented but he's not his dad. His dad was a musical genius and I'm not using the term lightly. He really was. Frank wasn't the greatest guitarist out there but he made his case for being the most underrated guitarist for sure. Frank was more of a conductor than a guitarist. He pushed musicians harder than James Brown and ANYONE that was in HIS band...could hold their own. As for David Bowie...another musical genius...when hasn't he had a great guitarist behind him? Mick Ronson, SRV, Earl Slick, Fripp, Carlos Alomar, Reeves Gabrels...hell, I think Ozzy is the only other guy that's been fortunate enough to have the best wrapped around him! While we're talking Bluegrass...I gotta shout out for Roy Clark. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhiKgeJV3k0 HEE-MUTHA*****ING-HAW!!! |
| 71. Author: dstieger | Date: Thu, 4/4/2013, 7:29AM EST | |
Everytime I encounter this debate I revisit Malmsteen playing 'Arpeggios from Hell' and I find it impossible to argue strongly for anybody else. |
| 72. Author: JadeRose | Date: Thu, 4/4/2013, 7:42AM EST | |
DrMaddVibe wrote:Saw the same show on it's first run...the encore brought tears to my eyes...son playing with father...with most of his dad's band in tow...well worth the dough. Been a fan of Dweezil's since his first album...got to meet him and have a signed CD...he's talented but he's not his dad. His dad was a musical genius and I'm not using the term lightly. He really was. Frank wasn't the greatest guitarist out there but he made his case for being the most underrated guitarist for sure. Frank was more of a conductor than a guitarist. He pushed musicians harder than James Brown and ANYONE that was in HIS band...could hold their own.
As for David Bowie...another musical genius...when hasn't he had a great guitarist behind him?
Mick Ronson, SRV, Earl Slick, Fripp, Carlos Alomar, Reeves Gabrels...hell, I think Ozzy is the only other guy that's been fortunate enough to have the best wrapped around him!
While we're talking Bluegrass...I gotta shout out for Roy Clark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhiKgeJV3k0
HEE-MUTHA*****ING-HAW!!! Mick Ronson is in my personal top 3. Greatest guitar player? No.....but I love what he did. I saw in another post you or TG mentioned Link Wray.......another under-rated genius. Without him, we wouldn't have modern rock. |
| 73. Author: DrMaddVibe | Date: Thu, 4/4/2013, 9:41AM EST | |
dstieger wrote:Everytime I encounter this debate I revisit Malmsteen playing 'Arpeggios from Hell' and I find it possible to argue strongly for anybody else. That's why I included Shawn Lane. He didn't live a long life...RIP...he was the fastest guitarist I'd ever seen. |
| 74. Author: tailgater | Date: Thu, 4/4/2013, 9:50AM EST | |
JadeRose wrote:
Hendrix...and it ain't even close. Watch footage of him play. Don't watch the performance...just watch him play. His hands were huge and he had absolute mastery of that instrument. He could play anything. SRV sounds like Texas white boy trying to play like Hendrix. Been 40 years since JH died and he's STILL the best.
You just like guys with huge hands. |
| 75. Author: teedubbya | Date: Thu, 4/4/2013, 10:26AM EST | |
tailgater wrote:You just like guys with huge hands.
gotta throw the BS flag on this. He likes guys with small hands because it makes his nub look bigger. |
| 76. Author: teedubbya | Date: Thu, 4/4/2013, 10:28AM EST | |
If Roy Clark makes the mix so does Bill Monroe and Jerry. |
| 77. Author: teedubbya | Date: Thu, 4/4/2013, 10:29AM EST | |
there was a guy named Les Paul that was pretty good too. |
| 78. Author: DrMaddVibe | Date: Thu, 4/4/2013, 10:34AM EST | |
teedubbya wrote:If Roy Clark makes the mix so does Bill Monroe and Jerry. For Bluegrass? |
| 79. Author: teedubbya | Date: Thu, 4/4/2013, 10:36AM EST | |
yes. david grisman too |
| 80. Author: bloody spaniard | Date: Thu, 4/4/2013, 10:51AM EST | |
teedubbya wrote:yes. david grisman too Damn, you know a lot about EVERYTHING! All obscure references too!  Almost like you've got google juju.  |
| 81. Author: teedubbya | Date: Thu, 4/4/2013, 10:53AM EST | |
The ipod I have with me doesn't have google or wifi, but it does have Jerry, Earl and Bill, and david grisman on it.
a little hank williams too Jr and Sr. |
| 82. Author: bloody spaniard | Date: Thu, 4/4/2013, 10:55AM EST | |
smahtphone smaht |
| 83. Author: teedubbya | Date: Thu, 4/4/2013, 10:58AM EST | |
bloody spaniard wrote:smahtphone smaht you covet peoples smart phones. that sin was on the tablet moses droped (the third one) |
| 84. Author: teedubbya | Date: Thu, 4/4/2013, 11:15AM EST | |
I just googled bo diddly and chuck berry too... I'm sure I've never listened to them before.... couldn't have.... bloods assburgers says so |
| 85. Author: teedubbya | Date: Thu, 4/4/2013, 11:17AM EST | |
All that aside it's hard to argue that the best ever isn't Nigel Tufnel |
| 86. Author: ZRX1200 | Date: Thu, 4/4/2013, 11:26AM EST | |
Post 49 TW ya slow poke. |
| 87. Author: teedubbya | Date: Thu, 4/4/2013, 11:32AM EST | |
but mine goes to 77 which makes it better
I heard Blood listened to a lot of Django Reinhardt until he was unchained and got all uppity |
| 88. Author: tailgater | Date: Thu, 4/4/2013, 12:59PM EST | |
Nigel Tufnel.
His goes to 11.
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| 89. Author: teedubbya | Date: Thu, 4/4/2013, 1:26PM EST | |
tailgater wrote:Nigel Tufnel.
His goes to 11.
yea. mine only goes to about 3.5 |
| 90. Author: yardobeef | Date: Thu, 4/4/2013, 1:32PM EST | |
There's clearly a difference between technical excellence and musical style and taste.
My favorites are easily David Gilmour and Carlos Santana, who do more with 1 chord than a lot of guitarists pull off with their lightning fret-work.
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| 91. Author: Abrignac | Date: Thu, 4/4/2013, 2:20PM EST | |
yardobeef wrote:There's clearly a difference between technical excellence and musical style and taste.
My favorites are easily David Gilmour and Carlos Santana, who do more with 1 chord than a lot of guitarists pull off with their lightning fret-work.
Bingo! |
| 92. Author: stingray | Date: Thu, 4/4/2013, 2:33PM EST | |
I also love David Gilmores style of play. But for overall technique, I think Andy McKee and other finger stylist have the most skill in guitar play.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddn4MGaS3N4 |
| 93. Author: K. Martin | Date: Fri, 4/5/2013, 8:38AM EST | |
justinjoslin82 wrote:Warren Haynes Warren Haynes is BEAST!!! |
| 94. Author: K. Martin | Date: Fri, 4/5/2013, 8:40AM EST | |
Warren Haynes is a futha' muckin' madman!!!
But my favorite is and always will be Jerry Garcia!!!
I am a DeadHead, so I am a bit biased on that!
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| 95. Author: bs_kwaj | Date: Fri, 4/5/2013, 12:52PM EST | |
Speaking of Jeff Beck....
.... with Imelda May
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu1ZaXB2SMA&list=PL39E6E9957105144A
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| 96. Author: bs_kwaj | Date: Fri, 4/5/2013, 12:59PM EST | |
Here's little Joey Bonamassa...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U1lSuEeZPQ&list=PL39E6E9957105144A
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| 97. Author: teedubbya | Date: Fri, 4/5/2013, 1:02PM EST | |
I like the chick bass player playing with beck lately. She's pretty good. |
| 98. Author: jpotts | Date: Fri, 4/5/2013, 4:44PM EST | |
One name that hasn't been thrown in there:
Steve Howe.
Dave Petrucci is no slouch either.
Compared to these guys, people like Beck and Clapton are all thumbs. In fact, Clapton is WAY overrated as a guitarist. He's been riding that English blues influence thing since the day he went solo, and everybody bows down to him because of that. The reality is that he's basically average, but because he played with B. B. King on a record at one point in his career, he has "cred." Pffth.
Bonamassa is actually a pretty good pick. |
| 99. Author: jpotts | Date: Fri, 4/5/2013, 4:46PM EST | |
Another one that is vastly underrated: Alex Lifeson.
Ever tried to play some of those Rush songs? A lot of them ain't pressing three strings in the fredboard and a lot of quick picking. |
| 100. Author: critter2 | Date: Fri, 4/5/2013, 4:54PM EST | |
well if attitude counts, then joe effen walsh |
