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Sorry, what was that?

I don't expect you to understand any longer, since your math was bad back then, and has never improved.

Your apology is accepted.

So, today a 12 week old fetus is a blob of tissue. Lives, dies, who cares? Just don't get any on my shoes.

But tomorrow, when the technology exists to sustain that 12 week old fetus until fully developed, you'll recognize it as a human life and will therefore be anti-abortion?

Talk about shirking responsibility.
You'll change your opinion when someone else designs a better mousetrap.

Funny thing is, when biological technology advances and improves, it will be then that you'll think like the religious right.

Go figure.

What?
It's a cat.

They were invented to take a beating. It's why they land on their legs.

A person with 5 dogs in an animal lover.
A person with 5 cats is the Crazy Cat Lady.

Black Dog is a popular clothing line.
Black Cat is bad luck.

Cats have 9 lives because they deserve to die more than once.

Scary dogs are wolves or coyotes.
Scary cats are just cats.

You bring the dog in at night so it won't get lost.
You kick the cat out at night but the friggin thing comes back the next day and thanks you for your stupidity with a dead mouse.

If I gave you 30 seconds you could think of 115 cool dog names.
You couldn't come up with 9 cool cat names (one for each life) if I gave you all day.

If Michael Vick killed cats he wouldn't have gone to jail.

People slow down after hitting a cat only because they're afraid a dog may have been chasing it.

If you leave for 2 days you put the dog in a kennel.
If you leave for 2 weeks you leave a bowl of water and a bag of food for the cat. You might even open the bag first.

You're over-using the tag line of someone else.



Incapacitated people basically do the same thing. Are you suggesting that we kill them off because they cannot feed themselves?[/quote]



The same can be said of mentally impaired or incapacitated people.



First, the rights issue is what is under dispute. Second, a child requires a mother to feed up until about 6 months of age (or thereabouts). So, by your definition, an infant can be snuffed out by its mother because it has "no rights."




Rights to not depend on technological advancements. They are "inalienable."

However, your approach would make several members of the German National Socialist party proud.

Any idiot can define some sort of human life as less than human, as a justification for its extermination. Hitler did it with non-Aryans, Islamists do it with Jews, and so on.



Oh, I see. So now children are parasites. Name for me one parasite that can and will become a human.

Baby formula: technology. Until then it was wet-nursing, and that has no guarantee of success. The extension of this is that if you cannot feed yourself for any reason, you can therefore be terminated by fiat.

Here's the deal, Victor: you are beholden to political view that clouds your rational view of conception and birth. Women's "rights" to an abortion is a purely political view. The country in which you live was founded upon the notion that the right to life is sacred and inalienable. We have court systems to determine when the right to life conflicts with another's right to life - that's what the courts are there to determine. But no one - including a mother of an unborn child - has a specific right to take the life of another person. Giving birth in itself is not a practice that sacrifices the life of the woman. Yes, it is a dangerous practice, but so is eating sushi or steak tartar, and it is something people have been doing - and is part of our function - since, well, forever.

You call a "fetus" stuff like "tissue mass" and "parasite." Again, none of these will ever become a human being. A fetus will.

The only difference between a fetus and a newborn is an umbilical cord and a few centimeters of birth canal.

Now I'm pretty sure you will not contemplate any of this - few who think like you ever do. However, your thinking is more in line with historical societies whose practices you would NEVER condone in public. However, hiding behind "wimmens rights" or "reproductive rights" is the cop-out you use to basically align yourselves with Nazis (and no I don't use that comparison lightly), and others who pushed that diabolical eugenics nonsense.

And like sterilizing people (which is just permanent birth control) off-ing the sick and disabled is also not far behind. In fact, this is what the assisted suicide types are pushing.

Oh, and high-minded medical ethicists from places like Oxford are now opening the door to legalized infanticide. They are claiming that you're not really a human being until some arbitrary age. You're not fully formed. Therefore, you can be put out of your misery. So really, your application of the term "parasite" as a means to justifying abortion, and straight-out infanticide is simply a matter of degree. If you are not productive in some form, you are a parasite, and need to be executed right away.

I know you don't like to acknowledge "slippery slopes," but abortion isn't just a potential slippery slope, we're sliding down it as we speak.

I don't have to invoke God, or use morality to make any of these cases - though it'd be REAL easy for me to do so. All I have to do is point out facts, and the foundations of out basic civil rights to back up what I say.

And frankly, if you don't like the fact that the right to life is inalienable, maybe you should try taking up residence in Communist China. They have the same basic viewpoint. Well...except for the fact that you don't have an inalienable right to life either.

You get MY son to call you "Daddy," I **** YOUR WIFE!

that's my new philosophy....

no more knucklebabies!

You've got a firm grasp on it now.

















(please don't use my above statement out of context)

I think we differ on a point of freedom.

I think people should be free from the uniformed dictating what they must endure to satisfy their personal standards. Note that the people in the know - the AMA for example - don't feel this 'education' is required.

I'll ask you again, don't you think we should keep our noses out of people's business?

I don't know about the rest of this but jpotts sure did a lot of apologizing in this thread.

So this is where we draw the line on freedoms.
The father isn't free to decide what happens to the pregnancy.
He must pay support if the mother demands it.
He can't save the child even if he wanted to.
My insurers are forced to pay for the abortion.

But god forbid we want to bounce a few sound waves off the belly for 4 minutes and reveal to the girl what she is about to agree to.
No. Because THAT would infringe on her freedom.

This is perhaps the ONLY elective and invasive surgery/procedure that a young woman could receive without full knowledge of the details.
If the same girl went in at age 18 and wanted her tubes tied, the medical staff would council her and educate her regarding the choices, and the risks.

Just don't slow down that abortion train.

You do realize that statement is false, right?

let me go ahead and throw another log on da fire here...... Is the morning after pill ok..??

you own stock in Teva Pharmaceuticals don't you

I don't buy cheetos in a box and how else would you make islamic prison wine?

Mmmmmm pharmaceutical stock.

Are the antibiotics finally kicking in?

watch it or I'll make you into one of those endangered feces

I'm drinking a scotch ale and a Fin du Monde clone now.

Three red wines in various stages of fermentation/finishing! My kitchen is starting to look like a winery. I'm trying to pile up some wine inventory so I can age it a bit.

Do an oktoberfest. Now actually is the right time to brew it.

Smells more like fresh banana bread...when its fermenting.

There is a slight yeasty smell in my kitchen right now from the Brunello in primary fermentation. The Barolo in secondary fermentation is pretty much beyond yeasty at this point.

Who cares if it is in the Bible or not? I personally think that it is wrong to use it as a contraceptive but I still think that it should be legal.

Coat hangers in alleys are worse, IMO.