Because government failed at every level, you need to have your rights curtailed… by the government that just failed at every level.


Yep, that makes sense.

LOL!

So we need more government? Because better government ain't happening.

*Thinking and listening went the way of the Donald. I mean dodo.

Yup, and the gun control advocates a take a flying leap.

🤣

Why do people keep asking what should be done?

We're ignoring the laws that are on our books, but hope new laws will solve things?

The pure definition of insanity.

did ya get any on ya?

Sadly, it can’t be reduced to a nutshell. That’s when every side becomes laughably simplistic

here's what's on the table:

Trump- I'll push upping the age and outlawing bump stocks, you scream as though it's the worst thing evah.

NRA- okie dokie

lol frank (really!), I envisioned something similar. I pictured Trump actually sitting there talking them into it first, then them going along with it...

Anyway, I had a similar idea.

3rd person, I kinda like it. So is it Frankj1 to Frankj1? Or Frankj1 to Frankj2?

Doc, I am not suggesting taking away guns, but I do have a question for you. What is it that works? As I have stated a couple of times I am more than willing to listen to ideas. As far as I can tell nothing has been working.

I do pontificate. Often. And rarely post-thinking.
But I don't think I did in this thread?

All I said was "enforce our existing laws".

If we can't start there, then don't waste my time making up NEW laws.


Once we do that we can give honest consideration to all viewpoints.
If it's me?
1. gun show loop hole.
2. Minimum age. maybe only for certain gun types or caliber.
3. training to go along with a license for certain gun types.

We already have background checks. Enforce them (see my original comments)
We already have waiting periods, don't we? Isn't the Brady Bill still a thing? Enforce it.

We can't go down the slippery slope of banning the AR-15 because it looks more menacing than other magazine capable semi-automatic rifles.
We can't think that limiting the magazine capacity will do anything. I can't have a 30 round mag? OK. I'll take three of those 10 round mags. Then people will want to ban how many of those you have. or the number of bullets.
And most of this becomes moot once metal 3D printers fall in price.

So let's get back to what we should do now.
Enforce the laws.
Displace the marajuana dealers in our prisons with today's gun violators. Make owning an illegal weapon NOT worth it. Stop punishing the law abiding legal gun owners.

We don't put a breathalizer interlock on YOUR car just because some drunk crashed his own.

many were disgusted by the student uprisings that led to the end of the long, senseless, and tragic Viet Nam War.

there are times in history when apathetic youth are awakened by something that directly affects them. This political alarm clock may have been tripped for this young generation. We'll be able to assess it historically in a few years.

I wonder how many people buy this type of thing from Dix anyway

For once I agree with and follow your points. =d>

Your points reinforce my original intent. We can't even look at any "reasonable" suggestions until we enforce our existing laws first.

So you're saying the Reagan era Brady Bill isn't a federal thing? Or just that gun shows and private sales don't apply?

I've never purchased a firearm so I have no idea what I would need to do.
According to Michael Moore I could just open a checking account at a bank outside the Columbine High School...

Private sales are mostly unregulated...it varies from state to state, but in the majority of places the transaction between two private citizens, as you describe between you and TW, is legal. Some states require those transactions to occur with a licensed dealer, others require a background check, some prohibit sales to residents of other states...

here's a source for the various restrictions by state: http://consumer.findlaw.com/consumer-transactions/private-gun-sale-laws-by-state.html

this hodgepodge of state laws is why it's called a loophole, where states that have stronger laws for gun owners are at the mercy of those that do not...

Tail - i was just saying the "gun show loophole" is often misunderstood and I don't always know what folks are referring to. I always think about it in the context of private sales vs FFL sales but some think of it as something else. If its private sales vs FFL (professional if you will) sales then I don't consider it a gun show loophole. Its like having swap meet, craigs list or garage sale type of deal. The gun show just happens to be where it happens on that day.

Gun Show loohole is just more catchy and anti gun to me and sounds worse than it is. It really should be regulate private sales.

But I'm no expert and don't know if when some folks say gun show loophole if there really is something specific to gun shows they are targeting other than the private sales but that's a harder sale. Gun show loophole is evil. Private sale is American.



As for waiting list.... some states like Cali have one. Otherwise nope. Unless you are delayed for some reason on your NICS check you get your gun instantly. Its an instant check if it works right. You should get Proceed, Deny or Delayed. Delayed can be up to 3 days, and then if there is still no Proceed or Deny the FFL can technically release the gun. Many will not because of liability and its a pain if it ultimately goes to deny and the ATF has to go hound things down.



If I remember correctly (not gonna look it up) the san bernadino killer gun store legally released a weapon during a delay and was tied up in court about it for a lot of time and $$. They did nothing wrong, but sometimes the expense of proving it is enough to discourage others from doing the same. My FFL will not release any guns during a longer than 3 day delay (even though they can) for that very reason. I think Dix and Walmart have made that same decision.


If denied you can appeal, but the obama admin removed all the agents from the appeal process thus creating a black hole and removing guns from folks hands administratively.

good stuff. was so used to a punch line I had to reread. Like.

Well written Joe, makes sense. And yes, like.

I dunno. I have a rifle my dad’s dad bought from his neighbor in the 1950s. They all hunted and swapped and sold guns frequently. My cousins still do. Are we suggesting if I want to sell a rifle to my neighbor I need to do a background check, receipt, paperwork etc? That’s a pretty substantial change from the way my dad, and I were brought up. My dad gave me that gun a few years ago. Does he have to do the background check etc?

You missed one major bullet...make gun laws uniform throughout the US. Some states don't even meet your basic regulations re background checks, waiting periods, gun safety training...that would be a good starting point.

we could use more musket loaders right about now...

any for sale?