in another thread I replied to the discussion about arming teachers:


"betcha the percent of teachers who either are already dealing with mental illness (and many people deal well) or wake up to a Dear John/Joan letter and snap is the same as the rest of the population."

sadly, that didn't take long.

I also added that no sane person should suggest we arm every citizen to be safer...or words to that effect.

Sounds fishy to me... He was trying to make a point not hurt anyone..

Read my post again...

To avoid confusion...

They (The school district) already armed the teachers in a county close to where I live. Bet they (Homeland Security etc) wont have any "drills" in that county.

Z how do you know he is an anti gun nut? Crystal ball or Tarot cards? No news source I find seems to know anything at this point. Though a lot of people will instantly agree with you about the timing. There are a lot of conspiracy theorist nuts out there. Its hard to take you seriously. Could you be right? Certainly. Have you provided any facts or logic? No.

Yeah there are. That's why I am a coincidence theorist. There are dozens of ways to charge everyday people on conspiracy; but no matter how much evidence is gathered on the government it's a coincidence.

^^^ I got to agree with that totally.

Thing is no matter what title one has from Teacher, NASA Cosmologist, President. When you put people in the mix things go wrong. People flip, freak, break, do stupid stuffs intentional or not.

On all our fingers and toes, I still can't count how many teachers I know that are pissed at their wages and how they are done wrong. Worry every day how they are going to make ends meet and feed their families. Pissed at our current POTUS, Mad cause people will not accept their current lesbian or gay agendas etc. Not the type of folks I want carrying a Gun around kids.

I knew a Dr that just flipped chit and robbed a Bank and was caught giving out all the money on the sidewalk in front of the bank he just robbed at gunpoint. I also know two others Dr's that commited suicide. All 3 was stand up guys in the community and no one had a clue that they was going to snap.

When these folks lose it they don't care about Laws in play, They don't care how hard it is to get their hands on a weapon of choice if it be an AR, Shotgun, a car, butcher knife,or even a ball bat etc. All they care about is their feelings and emotion. Thus they act.

I really feel that the problem is not the guns. I feel it is the people. It is the ones that are not stable enough to take on daily life for most. Also I feel that the number is growing. One fact about a person that is set on commiting suicide. If a person is serious about doing such and you try to stop them they WILL try to kill you to accomplish their goal.

I think the issues with the folks that flip and do these mass shootings is not much different. Teachers included.

I got off on a tangent my apologies.

Then there will be an incident where a black teacher shot a white child or a white teacher shot a black child.

(EDIT) I actually got worried that someone might take offense to the race I listed first or second in the above sentence, So let me rephrase.

Then there will be an incident to where a teacher of one race will shoot a child of another race (DANG I hate having to walk on eggshells all the freaking time)

Then the next thing you know:

People will start to boycott WalMart and Target because they sell school paper and its racist.

Groups will go nuts because they have some picture of a teacher that did blah blah blah 100 years ago hanging in a school.

It will become a racist thing when enough people raise hell and want the picture removed.

Skaters will start kneeling at the start of "Cinderella on Ice" in protest for da chridrens shot by teachers.

The POTUS at that time will pitch a fit about kneeling during the chidren show.

Someone will get ran over with a segway and killed at a passive protest while said picture is being removed.

Laws will be introduced to limit segways and make it hard to get one.

Segway tour guides will forum a group called NSA wanting to keep segways easy to get for everyone.

More mass murders by drive by run over with segways

NSA gets blamed for paying off gubment officials and death of chridrens.

People will go nuts even further and start stating that we need more laws on who can and who can't have a segway or removal of segways all together.

Mass's will die at schools and events due to segway murders by some nut that got through the cracks and built his segway from scratch.

Whoever is POTUS at the time will say that if he/she/it had a segway and was there how great they would have been in action saving all those people.

Then we will have a state that will invest millions on training their teachers how to properly use a Segway but yet never realize that 1/3 of those teachers are bat chit crazy.

All the while Ewok will be sitting back going "Damn I never would have thought people as a whole would have gotten this retarded"

Then we start all over again and years down the road after I am dead and gone someone will say.

"You remember that ewok dude that was F'ed up in the head. Well that MF was right." Of course this is right before they get shot in the ear with an airsoft pistol by some kid of the opposite race one yard over playing cops and robbers and some freak of nature thing happens and the person that got shot in the ear dies.

New laws are made and next thing you know we have adults that can only have Pinwheels to blow on for fun minus the stick cause its a weapon.



Sad part is even though I am being sarcastic and trying to be funny, Not so much on how I view things as a whole. I do feel that the majority have become this dang crazy. But, I only have 3/4ths of a brain left and fall subject to the powers that be so meh.

Another thing I think this country could use is some positive reinforcement. Instead of the media talking about tragedies for weeks on end and nothing else, lets talk about the people that are doing great things in our communities for weeks on end instead of a 5 minute segment that never gets repeated. Make the good in people news and how to get your name recognized in this country and take what some may recognize as glamour completely out of these tragic events.

No armed teachers for now. Two armed officers at each school. One single entrance with a metal detector and facial recognition equipment (like on a cruise ship).

For those who dismiss the idea of allowing teachers to carry, I have a question.

How many of those students/faculty/parents in Parkland Florida would have wanted one of those teachers to have a firearm that day?

Serious question.

Because I would NEVER suggest that we make it a rule to "force" teachers to carry.
But if teachers volunteered. And were trained. And certified. Maybe deputized??

A Florida House committee approved the bill that would create a program that allows teachers who receive law enforcement training and are deputized by the local sheriff's office to carry concealed weapons in the classroom if also approved by the school district.

Why should teachers not be allowed to exercise their constitutional right to bear arms?

Let's just hope they are not deputized by the same Coward County Sheriff whose trained police officers sat on their azz and did nothing to save a single life.

Question

How do the qualifications for a police officer differ from those for a teacher? Not theoretical qualifications, actual qualification requirements. I'm guessing a background check and some sort of degree for teachers. For the typical police officer, a high school diploma, maybe a physical standard and probably a background check. Keep in mind, not all officers go to a police academy.

Joe, my opinion is similar to Dave's. I do not think I can state it better than he did. If this does go into effect I would like to see rigorous national standards for operational standards, certifying, and training including ongoing training.

you sure seem to have a lot of intel

My kids had to walk through metal detectors to enter Middle and High School, with 3 armed officers inspecting bags and using the wand. Not only looking for weapons but also drugs.

A high school kid stood on the street and fired at his gang rivals waiting in line to enter the school.

We also had to walk through metal detectors just to watch my daughter perform in the band during football games. I was refused entry to the stadium because of a 1" Victorinox pen knife and 1" plastic 9-ball on my key chain. Was told they where both considered "weapons".


Bad people will do bad things. There's no preventing it.

True, but you can make it a little harder for bad people.

Eliminating gun free zones with the right controls would allow a permit holder to carry. I got called for jury duty and went through the same nonsense. I left my house key hidden on my truck with my pocket knife and firearm, but everyone had to remove their belts and send them through the X-ray machine. I was appalled and said, "I guess you like to see old man struggle getting his belt back on." the three officers at the scanning station were not amused. FWIW, I consider our kids more important than judges.

I'm feeling like "criminals" is a term for mostly rational people who plan and execute crimes. Yes, they would be deterred from stuff like robbing certain banks etc.

I'm also feeling like mass murderers who are under the control of various mental illnesses, complexes, out of control emotions etc. very possibly would not react in the normal way you suggest...just my opinion.

Opinions are all I see, let me remind you, it wasn’t until after they made schools a “Gun Free Zone” that these things began to happen. Those are the facts. Also, one individual armed has stopped multiple shootings like this in the past. I don’t condone violence of any kind, but if you want the next generation to reach their 40’s, there needs to be some radical changes in how and what they are taught in school. My 9 year old son was taught about how to perform “anal” sex with a willing partner in sex Ed. Such things shouldn’t be taught before High school, in my opinion. That was here in Oregon, by the way. Some of the other curriculum is very sketchy, at best. I put him in a private school shortly after.

Causality is a lost art.