| 251. Author: tailgater | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 8:23AM EST | |
dstieger wrote:Which sort of speaks to the crux of the problem of so many of us talking past each other when it comes to racist stuff.
What is more important in the labeling of something or someone as racist? The way it is meant/intended? Or the way it is received/perceived?
Might require a Plato cave-level discussion to sort through it, but it is important, I think. If someone who has zero knowledge or context of the history of, say...the n word -- is it racist if he uses it? Is the word racist? Or the meaning and/or the user of the word?
Not entirely relevant, maybe, but I can't help but think about Randall in Clerks II when he wants to take back the words 'porch monkey'. Was a good dialog -- may not advance the discussion much, but it is sort of thoughtful Depends on how the "offended" person reacts. If they cry RACIST! then they need to just stfu. If they explain how or why they're offended, then at least it's a discussion. If a word or expression has evolved into something devoid of racial overtones, the history shouldn't matter if it's used in a non-derogatory manner. No one has the absolute right to never be offended. |
| 252. Author: tailgater | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 8:27AM EST | |
teedubbya wrote:Not directed at tail
I told this story to someone earlier today. It’s absolutely true. Prior to this I’d not thought much about the go back home mantra. It does help me understand why my wife might see it differently than me.
Once I ran in to a Quick Trip and left her in the car with the two kids. They were around 6 and 8 years old. When I came out there was a nasty lougie on my passenger side windshield. Apparently someone screamed at her to go back home and spit at her.
This is common. The phrase means something to my wife that it may not to you. Maybe you are clueless about it. I don’t believe Trump is. And if he was he isn’t now. He is using it. Sorry. Threshold crossed.
Even if you think you should be able to tell everyone that, knowing what you know now maybe you should be more selective. Or maybe it’s more important to you to continue even knowing how it’s received. Your choice. You are what you are.
Trump knows exactly what he is doing and it’s a conscious tactical choice. I don’t know anyone pretends to defend it. I'll wait with baited breath for your next totally unrelated anecdote. You've latched on to the "go home" portion of the phrase and are purposely ignoring the "fix those problems and then come back here and show us how it's done". Disingenuous at best. And yes. The person who spit and said those words to your family deserves to die a slow and painful death. That's not ignorance. That's hatred. |
| 253. Author: tailgater | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 8:29AM EST | |
teedubbya wrote:Thanks dstieger. Once you realize someone finds something offensive and you continue anyway, especially if it is BECAUSE you know they find it offensive then you’ve crossed a threshold. Call it whatever you like but I’m glad I’m not the one trying to defend or normalize that. For the record, if you continue using a term BECAUSE the audience is offended, then yes I agree. I don't think this is relevant to the discussion, but as a stand alone statement I find it to be true. edit: And it's WHY the rally chant was so disgusting. |
| 254. Author: victor809 | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 9:19AM EST | |
And yet you still haven't answered my simple questions. You fixate on "oh, but he totally asked them to come back later!" while missing ....well ... all the points. |
| 255. Author: teedubbya | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 10:06AM EST | |
Sometimes folks just don’t want to get it. It’s fine. I said earlier I’m not trying to convince. Folks are who they are. |
| 256. Author: tailgater | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 12:41PM EST | |
teedubbya wrote:Sometimes folks just don’t want to get it. It’s fine. I said earlier I’m not trying to convince. Folks are who they are. So someone disagrees with you and it's because THEY don't want to get it. LOL! And then you claim you're "not trying to convince anyone". Double LOL! Convince us of what? Of your viewpoint that you're blaming ME for not "getting"? It's called a discussion. We have different viewpoints. I understand what you're saying but I disagree. You don't have to repeatedly say you're not trying convince me (which proves just the opposite, by the way). I'm sorry for laughing. It's just funny when you try to be condescending with such a moronic point of view. You should leave that for victor. He's good at it. |
| 257. Author: teedubbya | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 1:23PM EST | |
I simply meant we will have to agree to disagree. I didn’t realize you would take it differently. Sometimes folks hear things differently than intended. |
| 258. Author: victor809 | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 1:31PM EST | |
tailgater wrote:So someone disagrees with you and it's because THEY don't want to get it.
LOL!
And then you claim you're "not trying to convince anyone".
Double LOL!
Convince us of what? Of your viewpoint that you're blaming ME for not "getting"?
It's called a discussion. We have different viewpoints. I understand what you're saying but I disagree. You don't have to repeatedly say you're not trying convince me (which proves just the opposite, by the way).
I'm sorry for laughing.
It's just funny when you try to be condescending with such a moronic point of view.
You should leave that for victor. He's good at it.
One can blame someone for "not getting it", and disagree with them, and not necessarily be trying to convince them all at the same time. It's your fault for not understanding something very simple. It's fine to disagree with someone when they don't understand a clear concept. The vocal disagreement may not be to convince the individual who clearly does not have the capacity to understand, but to ensure that others understand there are other views than your incorrect one. See... easy peasy. and you still haven't answered my easy 7 questions. |
| 259. Author: teedubbya | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 1:36PM EST | |
Sometimes folks don’t want to get it. I don’t want to get tails point. I’m a folk.
It’s fine. That’s ok.
I’m not trying to convince. There’s no need to convince me either.
Folks are who they are. They can disagree and so can I. I don’t pretend to know how or why they think the way they do. That would be asinine. |
| 260. Author: teedubbya | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 1:37PM EST | |
Some folks are so delicate. |
| 261. Author: teedubbya | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 1:37PM EST | |
That’s what some people tell me anyway. |
| 262. Author: ZRX1200 | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 1:40PM EST | |
I appreciate your daintiness, it’s kind of a turn on actually. |
| 263. Author: dstieger | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 1:40PM EST | |
For folks' sake. Put a folk in it, already. |
| 264. Author: teedubbya | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 1:41PM EST | |
Like a petunia |
| 265. Author: teedubbya | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 1:41PM EST | |
dstieger wrote:For folks' sake. Put a folk in it, already. It’s always about the penetration with you isn’t it. |
| 266. Author: dstieger | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 1:44PM EST | |
Nothing a little WD40 can't help |
| 267. Author: teedubbya | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 1:46PM EST | |
I only need a drop of hoppes  |
| 268. Author: ZRX1200 | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 2:24PM EST | |
https://youtu.be/3oYo1e8WRnE |
| 269. Author: teedubbya | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 2:31PM EST | |
https://youtu.be/MRLWc-BfhJA |
| 270. Author: tailgater | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 11:40AM EST | |
teedubbya wrote: Sometimes folks hear things differently than intended. Bingo. That's what I've been saying. Thank you. edit: And I promise not to call you racist because of it. |
| 271. Author: teedubbya | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 12:34PM EST | |
LOL
Probably for much different reasons than you think |
| 272. Author: tailgater | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 3:22PM EST | |
Probably not.
You're alone in the room.
Laughing.
Out loud, if I'm to believe the acronym.
I'd say that's par for the course.
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| 273. Author: teedubbya | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 3:22PM EST | |
LOL |
| 274. Author: tailgater | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 3:23PM EST | |
LOL |
| 275. Author: tailgater | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 3:24PM EST | |
uh ohh.
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| 276. Author: teedubbya | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 3:33PM EST | |
someone has the giggles |
| 277. Author: tailgater | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 3:35PM EST | |
I once had the wiggles.
Had to let them go.
that dang music gets annoying.
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| 278. Author: victor809 | Date: Sat, 8/3/2019, 12:42PM EST | |
Hey look... Tail never answered those questions. Just sort of wandered off and ignored them.
Sad. |
| 279. Author: izonfire | Date: Sat, 8/3/2019, 1:21PM EST | |
victor809 wrote:Hey look... Tail never answered those questions. Just sort of wandered off and ignored them.
Sad. Maybe he’s just comfortable with who he is. Are you questioning? |
| 280. Author: victor809 | Date: Sat, 8/3/2019, 7:22PM EST | |
I mean... We all know he's perfectly comfortable with exactly what he is. Just no one else should be. |
| 281. Author: fishinguitarman | Date: Sat, 8/3/2019, 7:34PM EST | |
Hmmm someone saying what we should do? |
| 282. Author: ZRX1200 | Date: Sat, 8/3/2019, 7:48PM EST | |
Victor don’t worry, nobody is comfortable with you.
Thoughts and prayers |
| 283. Author: frankj1 | Date: Sat, 8/3/2019, 8:37PM EST | |
I'm cool with Victor.
I also just missed out on meeting up with tail and mrs tail the other night.
you and I are good too, Z.
it is possible to get along. |
| 284. Author: JadeRose | Date: Sat, 8/3/2019, 9:34PM EST | |
I like tacos and freedom fries |
| 285. Author: frankj1 | Date: Sat, 8/3/2019, 10:22PM EST | |
JadeRose wrote:I like tacos and freedom fries even if prices rise after tariffs? |
| 286. Author: opelmanta1900 | Date: Sat, 8/3/2019, 10:23PM EST | |
And really, can't we all be united by our mutual hatred of Canada? |
| 287. Author: victor809 | Date: Sun, 8/4/2019, 9:30AM EST | |
Hey look... Still no answer from tail.
I'll assume that means he cannot actually answer the questions without admitting his president and dream cuddle monkey is a racist azz. |
| 288. Author: izonfire | Date: Sun, 8/4/2019, 10:54AM EST | |
opelmanta1900 wrote:And really, can't we all be united by our mutual hatred of Canada? Especially those fucquing French Canadians. Horrendous |
| 289. Author: frankj1 | Date: Sun, 8/4/2019, 11:04AM EST | |
izonfire wrote:Especially those fucquing French Canadians. Horrendous avoid poutine at all costs. It is an evil plot designed to kill us by clogging our arteries (not highways) |
| 290. Author: izonfire | Date: Sun, 8/4/2019, 11:08AM EST | |
frankj1 wrote:avoid poutine at all costs. I wasn’t pouting Frank. Just incensed frankj1 wrote:It is an evil plot designed to kill us by clogging our arteries (not highways) Causing mustard highways |
| 291. Author: victor809 | Date: Tue, 8/6/2019, 12:19AM EST | |
wow.... I think at this point I can simply declare victory. Tail cannot come up with a single set of answers for his orange messiah that doesn't require his azz be racist.
Tail is a Sad Loser. |
| 292. Author: ZRX1200 | Date: Tue, 8/6/2019, 1:03AM EST | |
You’re a legend in your own mind and you always “claim victory” even though there’s no documented proof of you ever achieving victory even against Drafter......pretty sure the only thing you ever beat was a homeless dude and one out of three STD tests. Good for you buddy!!
*golf clap* |
| 293. Author: tailgater | Date: Tue, 8/6/2019, 1:17PM EST | |
I hope victor never decides to charge me rent for that space I'm taking up in his head.
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| 294. Author: victor809 | Date: Tue, 8/6/2019, 1:43PM EST | |
Nah tail. Your failure to be able to justify your little trumpenfurher's blatant racism provides me enough joy as payment |
| 295. Author: delta1 | Date: Tue, 8/6/2019, 1:50PM EST | |
I wonder if any of Trump's followers believed he was serious about his tweets condemning racism and white supremacists.... |
| 296. Author: victor809 | Date: Tue, 8/6/2019, 1:51PM EST | |
Nah tail. Your failure to be able to justify your little trumpenfurher's blatant racism provides me enough joy as payment. |
| 297. Author: victor809 | Date: Tue, 8/6/2019, 1:52PM EST | |
If they believed that he'd lose followers |
| 298. Author: fishinguitarman | Date: Tue, 8/6/2019, 5:07PM EST | |
Wow Tail! You’re getting called out by Anti-American people that HATE the POTUS!
Love your opinions BTW!
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| 299. Author: delta1 | Date: Tue, 8/6/2019, 7:42PM EST | |
there are still some people who think Nixon was a great POTUS...I'm guessing historians would grade this presidency similar to his...some positive achievements on the surface but the rot went to the core... |
| 300. Author: victor809 | Date: Tue, 8/6/2019, 7:43PM EST | |
But how will people grad tail's posting history?
I'm gonna guess "some positive posts on the surface, but the poor reasoning went to the core..." |
