Robert,

Your information is really fitting in that it addresses how subjective life is made by mankind. The things that happen around us are not subjective until we try to interpret what's going on. By simply observing a phenomena and attempting to explain it, we inherently include our own bias as to what happened and what caused it to occur.

Before science was science (as we know it today), religion was used to answer some questions because we had a lack of knowledge. This is not to say that religion is dumb or stupid in any way, but that we as a species did not possess the intellect to find the true cause for an event. For example, thousands of years ago we had no idea that the Earth has tectonic plates that slide around every so often to make an earthquake - we just attributed it to an act of one or more god/spirit/demon/etc. because we had no other explanation. I guess this falls into what's called the "God-of-the-gaps argument" and I mean no disrespect to anyone by that phrase. I guess what I'm trying to say is that mankind is now more intelligent than in the past - or at least I hope so!

I hope that religion never falls to the wayside, but science affords the opportunity to discover the true relationship of cause and effect for almost everything we know.

-JT

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So coming back to evolution versus creation - evolution has countless thousands, if not millions, of pieces of evidence to support it's theory... what evidence exists to support creation other than "we are here, therefore creation occurred." I'm not being a smartass, I'm just trying to get supporting information on the creation side of the discussion.

Our intellect is overrated in a decade or two we will appear as primitive as middle agers do to us now.

" Watcha drinking tonight Jade? I’m drinking some Crown Royal. Wait, some? Lots. 😉 "

I was drinking coffee. Was never a Crown Man. Only Canadian I enjoyed was Windsor with Ginger. I was more of a Bourbon and Rum myself, Fuzz. Oh..and painkillers. Liked them too. But then..you know that don't you fuzzy wuzzy...always trying to get me drunk....I think you like me, fuzz 😉

One thing I've noticed is that athiests sure do spend a large amount of time pushing their religion.

Yep..We get it. You don't believe in God. Good for you...yippee.

Aha, oh yes, good point, you don't say, no, go on, uh huh, ooooooh, didn't think of that, yes, yes, that about do it...

After reading several posts, I'se changed my mind about resolution.

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# 264

"One thing I’ve noticed is that athiests sure do spend a large amount of time pushing their religion."

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Yep, and the reverse is true as well. There's always someone trying to cram their religion down your throat whether you want it or not.

-JT

Speakin' of revolution, Jade's ancestors so fat they busted the family tree. Alls they gots now's the family hole.

^Nope....the stump's still there.

JT, you asked about the arguments for creation. I can again recommend a book called The Science of God which makes lots of compelling arguments for creation rather than evolution, and the biblical account of the creation of the universe and world. It's written by a Jewish nuclear physicist and biblical scholar. One thing he says in the book is that if you use "universal time" (taking into account the law of relativity) the six days of creation in Genesis actually lines up well with the what we can discern from science. As for evolution, he details why it's almost statistically impossible for all the species to have evolved fast enough to get where they are now. It's a very interesting read.

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Thanks for the book suggestion. I just checked the library on campus and it's available so I'll get it on Monday when I'm back on campus again.

-JT

Thanks for the lead, Robert.

JT, you may also want to check out the brilliant astrophysicist and Christian apologist, the Canadian born, Hugh Ross:

http://www.reasons.org/dr-hugh-ross.html 

I had always questioned the theory of evolution, men like Dr. Ross cleared my doubts.

JT, cool...I would love to get the opinion of a trained scientist about the book. The guy is American but lives in Israel now. He was in town around here speaking recently, and I actually called in to a radio show to talk to him. I asked him what the reception to the book was like in the scientific community, and as often goes on radio shows it was a pretty short answer, so I'm still curious about that.

275: You sure like radio talk shows.

Well i'll be a Monkey's Uncle

Or 9000th great-grandson, LOL!

-JT

264. Author: HockeyDad : “One thing I’ve noticed is that athiests sure do spend a large amount of time pushing their religion. “

I do know a few atheists, and they will tell you what they think and even argue if you bring up religion. But in practice, the people knocking on my door – “pushing religion” – are not pushing atheism. In fact, I have never been solicited by an atheist. And the bill boards along the highway are exclusively Christian (I live in Texas).

I think for the most part the atheist community (if they even have one) is largely silent until the subject is put in front of them (this may not be true of Fuzz).

It does seem that you just can’t talk about evolution without it also being a religious debate. And that is too bad. I guess religion will always trump philosophy and science as well.

I will say it again though – Darwin’s work, and the works of dozens of scholars that build on it – does not deny God. The way some of the posters act you would think Darwin was Dawkins.

277. Author: jackconrad

Don't you mean nephew?