That's the thing, people don't even realize they are being arrogant and inconsiderate when they do this sort of thing because it's so prevalent and non-believers have put up with it for freakin' ever. We don't need, nor ask for your prayers nor do we need for you to tell us. Telling us is just a way to make you look better. 'Oh, look at me, I'm a good man'. Get over yourself, really.

How can they? Can you use scientific theory to prove Biblical parables or prophesy or notions of the afterlife?

Can you bring a religious text into the laboratory and use it to prove something like a chemical reaction?

What could you do in either case where you think they can exist in each others realm?

Bless your little heart!

You say there is no God and I'M the arrogant one??? Get over myself? Don't you find it funny how I am stupid for believing but, if someone says that you not believing is stupid you take offense? Sorry Fuzz... Since you don't want or need my help, when you get where you are going, tell Hitler he deserves to be there, and let Darwin know he was wrong...

Sounds EXACTLY like the liberals claiming they care about the minorities and the poor!

Liberals -= American Taliban

Who is more arrogant. The person who thinks in the millions of years of human evolution they have found the right god and this all-mighty omnipotent being cares about them so much that it will heal their boo boos because they follow a theology that is, in the case of most American Christianity, less that 200 years old? Or someone who says that's a bunch of crap?

I didn't take offense at "someone says that you not believing is stupid you take offense" good grief learn to read. Reading comprehension is a lost art.

Again with the na na na you are going to hell crap. Why don't you go there? It's your imaginary concept, not mine.

And yes, Darwin was wrong about a whole lot of things. That's why science isn't a religion. Because knowledge advances and corrected as evidence is uncovered.

Yeah, perfect analogy. You ever think about running for congress?

That's a good one. Expand on that. This should be good.

Is it not possible to offer each possibility? In the context of evolution and creation, no where am I aware even in parochial institutions are lab tests effected by religious dogma. The only science in dispute is creation vs evolution, and you say they cannot be presented in the same classroom?

I guess I have a more liberal view of possibilities than some. Or it might just be naivete on my part. Either way I am willing to expose students to more than one point of view of any given topic. Thus no topic can be excluded. Just the way I am I guess.

Creationism isn't science, it is religious belief. And there are dozens upon dozens of different creation myths, but only one scientific theory that expands and modifies as new evidence is discovered. The main thing that living things evolve though does not change. If no topic is to be excluded, just teaching the different creation myths would take half a lifetime.

This is not the only science in dispute either. Many religions don't allow medical intervention just as one other example. To them medicine is 'evil' or not to be trusted.

Fuzz.
Your lack of comprehension borders on imbicile.
Perhaps you're the early "victory" for dumbing down our tests??

I said that "evolution" is a fact. Plants and animals evolve. Survival of the fittest type thingy.
But that in no way proves that man came from monkeys came from fish came from amoeba came from dust came from etc.

As for theory?
I know what I've stated and I stand by it.
No matter how you want to repeat it, the "evolution from amoeba via the monkey" is purely speculative based on the complete lack of information.
I don't dismiss it.
But I find it counter productive to both accept it as fact and also criticize any opposing view points.

In fact, with information comes knowlege. And as we gain MORE insight into how the human being is designed, it become LESS likely that it was by chance.

Can you guess who said this?
"To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree."

Hint: His initials were CD.


And by the way.
Had you interjected your pompous know-it-all attitude in favor of creationism, I'd be challenging you from the opposite side.

The person that says there is no God is the arrogant one... It takes a man to believe, and a boy to say God doesn't exist because he cant touch him...

You take offense to anyone that has a different opinion than yours...

You try and sound so educated then come up with a line like " Again with the na na na you are going to hell crap. Why don't you go there? It's your imaginary concept, not mine." You going to call me a doodiehead next??? LOL

You're only partially correct.
Creationism is indeed a religious belief. Not to be confused with intelligent design which isn't.

But the reason creationism is so popular is because the sole scientific theory has so many holes.
There so much unknown about the "Life from the unliving" theory that if you weren't fed a diet of Darwin from grade school and up you'd likely dismiss it as rubbish.

With that said, it remains the only theory accepted by the scientific community, and should therefore be the only theory taught in science class in public schools.
The proponents of intelligent design should not push their agenda on the schools, but rather on the scientific community.

Hey, you're the one who likes the dumbed down standardized tests, wants to eliminate home schooling because of your fear of religion, and is happy when all education is in the hands of the government.

You reaped what you sowed.

I'll call you a doodie head Elk.
and no give backs.....

It's speculative based on all information and evidence we have at out disposal at this time. For example. The similarities between dolphins and cows has been discovered. I'm not an evolutionary biologist, but I do know from what I've read on the subject that there is much evidence out there supporting connections like this, both genetic and fossil that show these kind of similarities. So it's not just 'speculative' or a 'guess', it's scientific.

The opposing views I am criticizing are religious notions of a god making everything in whatever way your particular myth says it did. In this case I'm assuming the biblical myth, 7 days, literal or not, Adam and Eve on the 6th day, resting on the 7th (like a god needs rest) etc.

Your statement that it is less likely that humans came about by chance the more we learn is preposterous and deserves no comment.

I never said I knew it all, so stop saying I did.

As far as your Darwin quote, I've heard that before. It's used by creationists all the time, and for decades in an effort to make a point that doesn't exist because here's the entire quote:

"To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of Spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree. When it was first said that the sun stood still and the world turned round, the common sense of mankind declared the doctrine false; but the old saying of Vox populi, vox Dei ["the voice of the people = the voice of God "], as every philosopher knows, cannot be trusted in science. Reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a simple and imperfect eye to one complex and perfect can be shown to exist, each grade being useful to its possessor, as is certain the case; if further, the eye ever varies and the variations be inherited, as is likewise certainly the case; and if such variations should be useful to any animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, should not be considered as subversive of the theory."

Changes the entire meaning So right there, you are a dishonest person, or you simply don't know what you are talking about.

lol, I don't take offense at differing opinions. If you say "I believe in God and this is how I worship and what rules I follow" well, good for you, I don't, I think it's crap. No offense, no offense intended, differing opinion. I take offense at the holier than though 'I'll pray for you' or 'You'll see hell soon enough' bullsh!t.

I don't try to sound anything other than me, so you get what you think is educated apparently and whatever you think that na na na line is. Big deal. It's all me, not sure what you're trying to say there. It's bogus man, totally spurious.

Yup, all those things are so, so true, even though I never said any of it. You got me nailed there HD. Eliminate home schooling? No, can it not be discussed critically? Afraid of religion? On the contrary, I mock it and ridicule it without fear. All education in the government's hands? Hardly. Private schools and universities, parents teaching their kids, museums all that stuff, and more, great. Get knowledge from everywhere about everything, no restrictions, but put it in the proper context and proper class, ie religion in religion classes.

The Lost Doctrines of Christianity
Paradox of Genesis 1
How does the War of the Angels help solve the apparent paradox between an Earth that science claims is billions of years old while some theologians teach that Genesis records that God created the heavens and the Earth only 6,000 years ago? The war occurred in the realm of spirit but also had devastating consequences for the planet Earth.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the Earth. 2 And the Earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. KJV

The answer to this paradox is in how Gen. 1:2 is commonly translated from Hebrew to English. In the original Hebrew, the words are (transliterated into the English alphabet) erets hayah tohuw bohuw choshek paniym tehowm ruwach elohiym rachaph al paniym mayim. The meaning of the these words, as cross-referenced in the Hebrew/English Dictionary of Strong's Concordance are:

(erets – Earth ) (hayah – was, come to pass, became) (tohuw – formlessness, confusion, chaos) (bohuw – emptiness, void, waste) (choshek – darkness, obscurity ) (paniym – face, surface) (tehowm – primeval ocean, deep) (ruwach – wind, breath, mind, spirit ) (Elohiym – God) (rachaph – move, hover) (al – over) (paniym – face, surface) (mayim – waters, waterflood).

The second Hebrew word in Genesis 1:2 is hayah, which should be translated as "came to pass," or, for the most accurate word for word translation, "became." If just a few words from the ancient Hebrew are translated more accurately into English, the translation that results provides a deeper understanding that solves the puzzle.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the Earth. 2 And it came to pass that the Earth became a wasteland, empty and chaotic; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The sentence in Gen. 1:1, In the beginning God created the heaven and the Earth, can be treated as a statement that stands by itself. Millions or billion of years passed between Gen. 1:1 and Gen. 1:2. Instead of Genesis 1 being about how God created the heavens and Earth in seven days, it is about how God repaired (renewed) the Earth in seven days. The renewing was necessary because of the terrible cataclysm that had wiped all life off of the face of the Earth. The tragic event that required God to personally come down and repair the Earth was the War of the Angels. It was Lucifer who was responsible for plunging the planet into frozen darkness.


Day 1–Black Smoke and Dark Clouds covered the Earth: The world was frozen and covered with a dark atmosphere, choked with smoke and clouds. The air was so thick with corruption that no light could glimmer through it. Lucifer's destruction was so complete that possibly only a few deep-sea creatures were still alive. The seas were frozen or close to freezing up. If the Spirit of God hadn't intervened, eventually, even the deep-sea creatures would have died. Genesis 1:2 begins with the Spirit of God hovering over the water. Obviously, science understands the universe was not created from water. By accepting both Science and Genesis, understanding can be achieved. Conditions Similar to Nuclear Winter: The conditions described in Genesis resemble the same conditions of a nuclear winter. The term "nuclear winter" was coined to describe the effect a nuclear war would have on Earth's atmosphere. Hydrogen bombs exploding all over the Earth would raise so much dust into the atmosphere that the Earth would be completely cut off from the Sun's warming rays. The result would be a terrible, planet-wide winter. The Earth would be so cold and dark that all life would cease to exist. This pre-historic planet-wide freeze would explain why the mammoths were frozen so quickly that many have been found with food still in their mouths. It has always been a puzzle to scientists as to how or why they became frozen so quickly. Research indicates that many species disappeared over night, geologically speaking. Somewhere between 10,000 and 6,000 years ago, the Earth lost mammoths, saber toothed tigers, giant armadillos and such. The best current scientific theory is violent climate changes. Gen. 1:2 …God divided the light from the darkness. On the first day, God cleared the atmosphere enough for light to penetrate to the Earth's surface. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. (KJV throughout unless noted otherwise)


Day 2–The Ice Melts: Gen. 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. The temperature of the Earth was so cold that the seas were frozen and the land was covered in deep ice and snow. God warmed the Earth so that water separated from the ice to become water below and clouds above. This is what is meant to divide the waters from the waters to create the heavens. …And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Day 3–Dry Land and Plants Appear: Gen. 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. Warming the Earth and melting the ice caused massive flooding. The melted water settled in the low areas revealing the land. Gen. 1:11 And God said, Let the Earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the Earth: and it was so. … And the evening and the morning were the third day. The cold had killed all the plants. God needed the plants to be back in place before placing animals on the Earth so they would have something to eat.

Day 4–Sun, Moon and Stars Revealed: Scientists criticize the accuracy of God supposedly creating the Sun, Moon and Stars on the fourth day. Since Genesis records God repairing the Earth, now the fourth day makes sense. On the third day, the atmosphere was still steamy and full of clouds. On day two, the ice had just been converted into water and vapor clouds. By day four, the atmosphere wasn't clear yet. Clouds still covered the Earth heavily on day three. As the floods subsided, God brought the water-loving plants back into the world, but the cloudy steamy atmosphere prevented a clear view of the celestial heavens.

Gen. 1:14-19 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the Earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the Earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

It doesn't match scientific evidence for the Sun and Stars to have been created after the Earth. What God did on the fourth day was to finish cleaning up the air and break up the cloud cover. The Sun, Moon and Stars were hidden up to this time because the atmosphere had become so polluted and dark by the War of the Angels. This theory matches the scientific record. The Sun came before the Earth and was not created a day after God put plants on the Earth. Gen. 1:1 states God created the heavens and the Earth. The Sun, Moon, and Stars are part of the heavens. Verse 2 is later in the timeline; it is not the beginning of a detailed commentary of Verse 1, which stands alone. God created the heavens and the Earth, period. The heavens are mentioned again in Verse 4, billions of years later than Verse 1 in the timeline. The Sun, Moon, and Stars existed before the Rebellion of Lucifer and were hidden by the darkness created by Lucifer. God cleared the air for the plants restored on day three so they could have sunshine. Biblical Hebrew is not a "tense" language: Why is the language of day four in present tense and not past tense? It doesn't read "God had made," it reads, "God made." Biblical Hebrew is not a "tense" language. Modern grammarians recognize that it is an "aspectual" language. This means that the same form of a verb can be translated as past, present, or future depending on the context and various grammatical cues. When it references the Sun and Stars, the original Hebrew does not indicate when the Sun and Stars were made, (i.e. present tense) but simply a statement that God made them to be for times and seasons and so forth. Genesis 1 is a record of God repairing the damage caused by Lucifer's war. The fourth day was the day the clouds were cleared by God so that the Sun, Moon, and Stars could be seen.

Day 5–Fish and Birds restored: Gen. 1:20-23 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the Earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth in the waters did God create. And every winged fowl after his kind did God place for his pleasure. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Day 6–Animals and Mankind restored: Gen. 1:24-27 And God said, Let the Earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the Earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the Earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the Earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the Earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the Earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

SUMMARY: Genesis is not a record of God creating the Heavens and the Earth from nothing in seven days but instead a record of God repairing the Earth in seven days. From Verse 2 of Genesis 1 on, the remainder of this first chapter of the Bible is not describing the original creation of the Earth. But it is describing a renewing of the face of the Earth, after it had become waste and empty as a result of the sin of the angels.


Day 7–God Rests: Gen. 2:1-3 Thus the heavens and the Earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Long before the Ten Commandments were given to Israel, God established a special day dedicated to rest and sanctification. The purpose of this day was to make it easy for mankind to get close to God every seven days. The spiritual ruler of this world has blinded mankind to the benefits of the Sabbath