chiefburg
15 years ago

Put the cap back on the glue and stop sniffing it.

rfenst wrote:


As much as I dislike what these people do, I have to agree with Robert here - aren't we supposed to be bigger and better then they are? Beating them up isn't what Jesus had in mind and if you believe it is, you're not understanding anything Jesus stood for. What they do is deplorable and the initial reaction is to beat them. When we reach that point we become no better then they.

I haven't been to church in 35 years and I understand the Bible better than that......
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teedubbya
15 years ago
I hate this group and probably have more direct exposure to them than anyone else in here. On a primal instinct level level I feel they deserve anything they get.

But I recently read something to the effect that when you use evil to fight against evil the distinction becomes difficult to make. Law and order should not be selective.
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bloody spaniard
15 years ago
I agree with the Chief & TW. The same hypocrites who decry these strange "Christian" folks' freedom of (unpopular) speech are probably the ones who go to church on Sunday and then (deleted rest of post)...

Suffice to say- let them be. In the end, they will be judged accordingly. Besides, IMO, it's a slippery slope when you deny this type of speech. We're already skidding as it is.
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FuzzNJ
15 years ago
Lumpa in post 4, rich in post 15, born in 28, me in 18 and 31 also posted the same sentiments. But no one agrees with any of those. My posts were even mocked for unrelated things. Funny how grown men can act like middle school girls.
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madaxeman
15 years ago

Funny how grown men can act like middle school girls.

FuzzNJ wrote:



Home school or public?
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fishinguitarman
15 years ago

Lumpa in post 4, rich in post 15, born in 28, me in 18 and 31 also posted the same sentiments. But no one agrees with any of those. My posts were even mocked for unrelated things. Funny how grown men can act like middle school girls.

FuzzNJ wrote:






Funny how you can't make a comment without calling somebody an idiot or middle school girls or whiny bitches or some other name.

Now WHO'S the immature one here?
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fishinguitarman
15 years ago

It's too bad they weren't all beat up. I'm gonna call B.S. on this. Getting as a$$ whoppin' does not change anyone's opinions of these idiots. If they got an a$$ whoppin' everywhere they went, I believe they would disappear rather quickly, and the only folks who would be outraged are the idiots who support them. All 2 of 'em.

stogiemonger wrote:






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borndead1
15 years ago

It's too bad they weren't all beat up. I'm gonna call B.S. on this. Getting as a$$ whoppin' does not change anyone's opinions of these idiots. If they got an a$$ whoppin' everywhere they went, I believe they would disappear rather quickly, and the only folks who would be outraged are the idiots who support them. All 2 of 'em.

stogiemonger wrote:



I'm not saying that their ass whoopin' will get them sympathy from anyone...I'm saying it will only reinforce their views of themselves and make them feel even more justified in their "cause".
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HockeyDad
15 years ago
WWJRD?

(What would Janet Reno do?)
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frankj1
15 years ago
the superiority of our freedom-based way of life in America is it's ability to protect the rights of the vast majority (who need no protection normally) BECAUSE it protects the rights of the most vile and hideously unpopular minority. Without these detestable extreme tests, you folks would have no meaningful rights either. Freedom of speech is alot more than being free to say crap. But when the majority is allowed to play loose with the police to silence those they hate (no matter how right you guys are here) that is when everyone should fear the door to totalitarianism opening up a crack. Extreme protection of rights keeps that door shut.

Issuing a parade permit to neo-nazis in Skokie IL was just such an example. Made me want to puke, but I supported the decision. And though these situations may allow exposure for these groups, they might pick up a few supporters that are likely already mentally imbablanced hateful people, but more than likely the vast majority seeing them for the first time would hate the sickness they represent. I say give them their own 24 hour cable network...any success they have is partially due to the attraction (to sickos) of their partially underground/neo-victim status.
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HockeyDad
15 years ago
I hate Illinois Nazis.
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JadeRose
15 years ago
My hatred of these people knows no boundary. With that said, the best way to deal with these ****bags is to ignore them. Treat them like a child throwing a tantrum in Walmart. Eventually they will get tired and go away. They will now make the lives of the people in Mississippi miserable by filing lawsuit after lawsuit. Some of which they will probably win. Now you've just financed their activities for another year or so. This is what they WANT to happen. The worst response to them, in their eyes, is no response at all. I can pray that they be killed in a messy way or harmed...but I will not act on it, nor will I advocate it. They will get theirs....I have faith in that.
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TMCTLT
15 years ago

The way I see this both citizens and the government interfered with their First Amendment rights, despite a recent ruling that clarifies how those rights may be exercised. In my opinion, anyone who supports what this town did has established a precedent that will erode the First Amendment if not brought to a halt. Now, Westboro will probably sue the hell out of the town and collect money to further their ugly message. Great job. Everybody, but Westboro looses. the only thing worse would have been altercation and/or violence.

rfenst wrote:





One question for you counselor, why is it that the legal system ALWAYS seems to put MORE emphasis in upholding the rights of groups and individuals like this while NOT recognizing that the families and friends of the fallen have the right to expect to some civility and understanding while burying their loved ones? If groups like this want to make their point have the Bastards address our Federal Gov. in Wash. as they are the ones who send our troops to do their bidding around the world!!!!
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frankj1
15 years ago

I hate Illinois Nazis.

HockeyDad wrote:


I hate 'em more. Put them on the Game Show Network
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rfenst
15 years ago

the superiority of our freedom-based way of life in America is it's ability to protect the rights of the vast majority (who need no protection normally) BECAUSE it protects the rights of the most vile and hideously unpopular minority. Without these detestable extreme tests, you folks would have no meaningful rights either. Freedom of speech is alot more than being free to say crap. But when the majority is allowed to play loose with the police to silence those they hate (no matter how right you guys are here) that is when everyone should fear the door to totalitarianism opening up a crack. Extreme protection of rights keeps that door shut.

frankj1 wrote:



Here is one of my takes takes on what you said above:


First They came... - Pastor Martin Niemoller


First they came for the communists,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.


"First they came…" is a famous statement attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.




(And if anyone thinks this poem is really about: communism, unions, Jews, Christians or WWII, then feel free to substitute any ofther groups in our society or in history...)
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rfenst
15 years ago

One question for you counselor, why is it that the legal system ALWAYS seems to put MORE emphasis in upholding the rights of groups and individuals like this while NOT recognizing that the families and friends of the fallen have the right to expect to some civility and understanding while burying their loved ones? If groups like this want to make their point have the Bastards address our Federal Gov. in Wash. as they are the ones who send our troops to do their bidding around the world!!!!

TMCTLT wrote:



Great question! I love these threads when people really want to discuss things like you do here, whether or not I am a participant in the discussion.

So, here is my take: I think the legal system isn't about individuals as nearly as much as it is about society as a whole i.e. the greater good. This can often lead to emotionally, personally absurd conclusions at times, particularly when one doesn't look at the pig picture or truthfully can't see it (which is NOT what I am implying here).
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TMCTLT
15 years ago
Robert, I'm honestly having a difficult time discerning your point here. I am indeed trying to think things through a bit clearer rather than simply engaging in an emotionally charged conversation. And it does seem to me that my previous point is the case more often than not....

Hope you and yours are enjoying your Easter holiday

Paul
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frankj1
15 years ago

Here is one of my takes takes on what you said above:


First They came... - Pastor Martin Niemoller


First they came for the communists,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.


"First they came…" is a famous statement attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.




(And if anyone thinks this poem is really about: communism, unions, Jews, Christians or WWII, then feel free to substitute any ofther groups in our society or in history...)

rfenst wrote:



Yeah, that's what I meant! Thanks Robert.
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FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Robert, I'm honestly having a difficult time discerning your point here. I am indeed trying to think things through a bit clearer rather than simply engaging in an emotionally charged conversation. And it does seem to me that my previous point is the case more often than not....

Hope you and yours are enjoying your Easter holiday

Paul

TMCTLT wrote:



Pretty sure he's said he's Jewish, frequently. I hope he's enjoying the day as well though.
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rfenst
15 years ago

Pretty sure he's said he's Jewish, frequently. I hope he's enjoying the day as well though.

FuzzNJ wrote:



You are correct. But, that's not important. What is important is that he warmly wished my family and I well on one of his holiest days. I think that is very kind. So, I only look at his intention, which clearly came from his heart. IMO, this is not the time for me to tell someone they made a mistake or to possibly even umbras them. Neither does wishing someone of a different faith than mine well one of their holidays ("Merry Christmas"). It is, IMO, just the right way to do things.

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