Wheel, there is very little I care less about than the the latest way the Catholic church explains their illogical and irrational theology, especially when they try to synch it up with modern day views. If it was really the eternal church you would expect they wouldn't have to do that, ever.

FuzzNJ wrote:

Fuzz,,,
Religion is the creation of man. But, there is no question that there is and was a Supreme force that created all.

wheelrite wrote:

Sure it is. Man didn't create religion or anything. No question, no question at all. I'm gonna go with the Norse creation myth. That one sounds cool.

FuzzNJ wrote:

Bro,
As the enlightened dude that you are, surely you can comprehend that someone or something created the spark that spawned the universe.It did'nt happen by it's self. "Every action has an equal or opposite reaction"..

wheelrite wrote:

ok,,,

As far as organized religion goes,for me...

Sure I have doubts but if the human factor is removed most of the doctrine is followed it is a good way to live one's life be it Christianity,Judaism,etc..

for example...

The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV)
1 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
5 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
6 “You shall not murder.
7 “You shall not commit adultery.
8 “You shall not steal.
9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

So even if one is an a atheist or agnostic living life while observing the 10 commandments is a good thing.yes ?


wheel,

wheelrite wrote:

lol, I don't think I'm enlightened. I can't comprehend a lot of things, one of them being an omnipotent being that made idiots like us in 'HIS' image. If we are made in 'his' image, he's one f'd up omnipotent being for certain. Your action of writing that has me laughing in an equal way in opposition? or osmenthe. <---something (an inside joke only for my amusement)

FuzzNJ wrote:

Um no. It is best explained this way, can't be and has never been explained better:

FuzzNJ wrote:

Um no. It is best explained this way, can't be and has never been explained better:

FuzzNJ wrote:

"In his image"
is what separates us from all the other creatures that inhabit our planet.Meaning,we have an awareness of ourselves and a sense of meaning and purpose.sadly, my beloved labrador does not...

wheelrite wrote:

I always enjoyed Carlin..
But,that is not an explanation of anything.It's a cynical comedy show...

wheelrite wrote:

Creationism isn't science, it is religious belief. And there are dozens upon dozens of different creation myths, but only one scientific theory that expands and modifies as new evidence is discovered. The main thing that living things evolve though does not change. If no topic is to be excluded, just teaching the different creation myths would take half a lifetime.

This is not the only science in dispute either. Many religions don't allow medical intervention just as one other example. To them medicine is 'evil' or not to be trusted.

FuzzNJ wrote:

My dogs don't either, but I'm not sad about it.

I'm assuming that you think this self-awareness means one has a soul?

You are aware that there are other animals that are self aware in that they know they exist and can recognize themselves and they are an individual being? This isn't just a human phenomenon?

FuzzNJ wrote:

Lol, yes, it's cynical, yes, it's also funny. But it's also exactly how I feel about the situation put into a funny, cynical (which I am) way. What the hell do I care about having no (other) gods before me or graven images or stuff like that? Be honest, trustworthy and love my wife and family and don't go around stealing and killing. Yay! Don't need Moses for that.

FuzzNJ wrote:

My dogs don't either, but I'm not sad about it.

I'm assuming that you think this self-awareness means one has a soul?

You are aware that there are other animals that are self aware in that they know they exist and can recognize themselves and they are an individual being? This isn't just a human phenomenon?

FuzzNJ wrote:

I suggested creation vs evolution and I am unaware of dozens of creation myths, which if not exaggerated means at least 24. I highly doubt that number.

Lets also keep to topic nowhere was it suggested anything being taught on religious dogma, medical intervention, I also question that many religions don't allow, too vague and nothing to do with any of my points up to date.

What I am seeing here is an unwillingness to entertain any possibility of you may wrong/incorrect in some of your assessments. While I agree with your standing up for your belief's I find it worrisome the appearance of your lack of acceptance that someone else's position may be valid or at least have merit.


Or you could just be arguing for the sake of argument.


Either way we are at a deadlock on the subject no need to beat a dead horse. Cheers!

hank56 wrote: