No need to collect my thoughts, I mean exactly what I say in that post.

Maybe you've people say "bless their little heart", it's not a compliment or well wishes, it's a crack. Same with this, and I'm tired of hearing it as well as every other atheist. It's an arrogant, look I'm better than you, you should be like me.

When the majority of born again christians who think 'salvation' is the key don't even follow the actual teachings of Jesus. Bunch of ignorant hypocrites, and it's shown on this board daily. Care for the poor? Love your brother? Feed the hungry? Peace? None of that matters to modern day American Christians. So please spare me the salvation bs. If I would need to be like the average 'saved' person, no thanks.

I'm not hell bent on anything. This is the way I write, you know, will correct spelling and stuff, even though my grammar isn't that great when I write here. Now even the words I use offend. Bunch of crybabies.

FuzzNJ wrote:

The great prophet Muhammad (Blessed be his name) loves you.

HockeyDad wrote:

F him too.

FuzzNJ wrote:

Fuzz,
Do you even know what the evolution debate is?
Except among a small fraction of religious zealots, most people understand that evolution DOES exist. Animals and plants DO evolve. This isn't a theory, it's fact.

But that's not what gets people into a tizzy.
It's when we discuss how man evolved. Or what we evolved from.
Some say it was the monkey (or varios other primative primates). Some say it was from a higher being (God, alien, etc).

And here's the kicker: Neither side has any real proof.
One side relies on beliefs and speculation.
The other side relies on theory and innuendo. In other words: speculation. And belief.

I'd be happy to debate it with you, but you'd be sorely dissappointed because although I believe in God I don't always take the Bible as literally as some.
My point isn't to discuss the merits and flaws of these ideas. Just to prove a point (and make a funny).

So if you think I have a major misunderstanding of pretty much everything having to do with science, you'd be very much wrong. The Theory of Evolution includes some mind boggling leaps of faith, and much of the "proof" has been reverse engineered to fit into a preconceived notion.
Again, I'm not telling you Adam and Eve were real, or even that there is any proof either way.
Just simply that both sides have some compelling facts (the creationists use facts to dispell evolution, rather than to prove their own belief) and if you didn't have a horse in the race it would be quite intriguing.

For the record, I don't think that creationism shoudl be taught it public schools.
Although intelligent design, if scripted correctly, could co-exist with Evolution since neither can be sold as fact.

Remember, scientists used to KNOW the world was flat. So be careful with how much weight you give a theory.

tailgater wrote:

Um, "even though most Liberals don't think so."

Yup, it was just a simple statement of 'fact'. /sigh

FuzzNJ wrote:

You are still a disguntled person who believes he knows the answers to everything. You call people "moron's" and other names and frequently tell people to "f-off." What a fine piece of humanity you are and your family must be so proud.

I often say I won't comment on your posts yet I end up doing so anyways because I try to appeal to your sense of decency and respect. Yet, I frequently forget that you choose not to be decent and respectful. Just because someone treats you with disrespect doesn't mean you have to shovel it right back. Yet, you do and you continue to claim you are right and everyone else is wrong.

I'm going to have to boycott posting about you because it's obvious you don't care what others think, you have no interest in learning other opinions, and you don't respect the opinions of others.

Good day.....

chiefburg wrote:

So why did the "study" and you lump them together? Then later in the thread you just dropped the moral part altogether and said 72 or 78% (don't remember which) home schooled for Religious reasons.

apachelm wrote:

Your personal case and those in your circle of friends does not equal scientifically collected hard data. Why is that so hard to understand? It's not like it's a push poll put out by Ed Schultz where you text in your answer for goodness sake. This whole "I don't trust polls because the result is not what I think it should be" bs is anti-science just as teaching creationism is and not understanding what scientific theory is.

I didn't tell you why you did something, but to say you didn't do it because of religious reasons, but you taught creationism, you are either delusional or lying through your teeth. Creationism is religious by nature, teaching it in a classroom setting is religious instruction and not science. Saying you did both does not mean you didn't do religious anti-science teaching.

I'm also not looking to fight, but holy crap man.

FuzzNJ wrote:

I guess because I forgot to type it. You read it in other posts, so you know I didn't misrepresent the study intentionally now right?

Why did you say most liberals don't have morals when you gotta know that's not true?

FuzzNJ wrote:

I never said they were a circle of my friends, but now you mention it, if we had been included in that survey and changed the % might that make a difference in your observation? You are vaguely referring to one poll, you think maybe there is another one out there that may differ in results. Polls are not an exact "science".

Yes I said I didn't home school for religious reasons, yes the curriculum I chose had creation in it. So that makes me delusional? I chose to present both sides of the argument as neither religion or science have all the answers. Yes I stated that science doesn't have all the answers, scientific absolutes have altered and/or changed over the centuries.

You make a profound leap by stating that teaching religion is anti science. On this we shall have to disagree as I don't believe you are correct. You believe you are correct so shall we just agree to disagree?

I have never espoused that I have all the answers and have tried to remain open to divergent views.

hank56 wrote:

That is NOT what I said!

This IS what I said:

Religious and Moral instruction are 2 different things even though most Liberals don't think so.

apachelm wrote:

In post 89 you said "I am trying to present my personal case as well as others I know."

Sorry if I assumed you were friendly with them since you knew them. Perhaps I should have said a circle of maybe hostile people who also home-schooled? Better?

If you were included and didn't answer that religion or moral teachings was a reason for home-schooling, it would not have changed the result one bit as the sample was much too large for one person to have mattered.

It's really not that much of a profound leap really. I went to private christian schools for a number of years and science was so badly covered my education suffered badly, but one person's experience isn't going to prove anything. It's the literature read, the people listened to and the message boards I frequent that give me a larger perspective. A god centered science class is not going to get a person very far in the sciences. Just knowing how to count and do some simple math may get you a job as a clerk, but not much beyond that.

I never said I had all the answers either.

FuzzNJ wrote:

Would you have a problem with home schooling if, in the study you cite, religion and moral figures were broken down and the larger % being moral teachings were the reason for having home schooled their kids?

apachelm wrote:

More accurate would be a circle of like minded individuals, I have met them yet do not know them well enough to be friends. Why the need for sarcasm? I am attempting to have a civil discussion no need to get to that level. I read somewhere that sarcasm is the final defense of the weaker mind. (smile)

While your experience in school is relevant to you and others, its not the only way both topics can be addressed. I feel the possibility is there for religion and science to co exist. Apparently you do not, once again can we agree to disagree?


I have not insulted you nor disrespected you in any way and other than the delusional quip and the aforementioned sarcasm, you have been quite civil. For this I thank you.


See folks we need not deteriorate discussions to the levels that happen so frequently. This was the purpose of my original post.

hank56 wrote:

Nope, I don't know anything about where we all come from, why we are here, where the universe is heading, stuff like that. But here's the thing, neither do you or anyone else. So when people say they do because their religion tells them, yes, they are a moron.

When someone tells me liberals have no morals, and I'm a liberal and my family and I have morals I would put up against anyone here, that person is a moron.

I told Mohammed he could f off, that upsets you? You are muslim? sorry, but that religion is stupid too.

Decency and respect are earned. When I am attacked instead of the ideas or opinions I post being challenged, well, what the hell do you expect? I'm not Gandhi. Why do you expect me to be Mr. Peacemaker all the time? I really want to know. Who the F on this board says they are wrong? I know I did when HD caught me making a logical error when I typed majority instead of most.

Don't care what others think? The only respect shown on this board are when people agree. There are only 2 maybe 3 people who post opinions that aren't teabaggy or right wing and each of them are insulted and not shown 'respect'. So spare me your self righteous anger over the situation. When you are ready to remove the log from your eye, I'll consider removing the splinter from mine.

FuzzNJ wrote:

lmao, salvation? In the religious sense? Pray for me my brother, my arrogant, self-righteous brother. What a cocky smarmy self centered thing to say.

FuzzNJ wrote:

The need for sarcasm is because you are quibbling over the word 'friends' instead of 'people you know' when it is obvious what the meaning was, so it was an unnecessary diversion.

And did I not say my experience, and you and your 'circle of like minded individuals' don't matter as it relates to the country as a whole? I'll answer that, I did.

I also said religion and science can co-exist, just not in each others realm. Science is not taught in sunday school, nor should religion be taught in science class.

I am usually civil unless insulted, then I fire back.

FuzzNJ wrote:

I rest my case - thanks for proving it to me once again.

Good day to you.......

















I SAID GOOD DAY!

chiefburg wrote: